BF1 promotional suggestion for BF4/Hardline

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CaptainHawsehole
367 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
I was watching a video from Hardline and saw that that game has a WW1 weapon, the 1903 Springfield as a scout weapon. Why not release it for BF4 as well? Or maybe like Final Stand did, a themed or re-tweaked map with weapon pickup? Or essentially anything at all that would be an 'in game' taste of things to come for Hardline/BF4?

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  • FlakfireGaming
    81 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    I was watching a video from Hardline and saw that that game has a WW1 weapon, the 1903 Springfield as a scout weapon. Why not release it for BF4 as well? Or maybe like Final Stand did, a themed or re-tweaked map with weapon pickup? Or essentially anything at all that would be an 'in game' taste of things to come for Hardline/BF4?

    Might be in the cards for the "Road to Battlefield 1"

    I picked up on those guns (1903 and Syndicate Gun) early on, hoping they were a hint at a WWI game. Would be cool to see them in BF4, though I don't know how easily that'd be to do.
  • CaptainHawsehole
    367 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited July 2016
    Well it really shouldn't be that hard. It uses the same engine, it's made by the same company (if not the same studio) so rights aren't really much of an issue... I'm just thinking it might be a fun promotion idea to use your current games to promote what's to come to those who are the most likely customer base.
  • Lordmang4
    2063 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Medal of Honor Warfighter Member
    DICE has stated that there will be no further changes made to BF4.
    What you see is what you get now.
  • Metallicat95
    218 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    Lordmang4 wrote: »
    DICE has stated that there will be no further changes made to BF4.
    What you see is what you get now.

    No, there is going to be one more patch, and possibly more than that. Just not more totally new content and no CTE development.

    DICE intends to keep BF4 and BF Hardline alive within the same community as BF1.


    So could they do one more gun as part of the patch? Who knows? I wouldn't expect it, because BF4 has lots of guns already. You can't just transfer stats from one game to another, but they could possibly use the Hardline model and stats as a rough start.
  • taylorswiftttttt
    134 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield Member
    DICE intends to keep BF4 and BF Hardline alive within the same community as BF1.

    Nope, DICE or Visceral for that matter doesn't care about Hardline. Instead of releasing NEW free content like they did for BF4, they just gave away the DLC's for free. Also, the gun balance is REALLY messed up and there hasn't been official word for months. The game was a commercial failure, so they just pushed the DLC out the door to fulfill the contract with the Season Pass owners.
  • DestronDeadEnd
    190 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Lordmang4 wrote: »
    DICE has stated that there will be no further changes made to BF4.
    What you see is what you get now.

    No, there is going to be one more patch, and possibly more than that. Just not more totally new content and no CTE development.

    DICE intends to keep BF4 and BF Hardline alive within the same community as BF1.


    So could they do one more gun as part of the patch? Who knows? I wouldn't expect it, because BF4 has lots of guns already. You can't just transfer stats from one game to another, but they could possibly use the Hardline model and stats as a rough start.

    Whre did you hear about another patch? the last one was almost 8 months ago...
  • BadcuzTremysaid
    1350 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Lordmang4 wrote: »
    DICE has stated that there will be no further changes made to BF4.
    What you see is what you get now.

    No, there is going to be one more patch, and possibly more than that. Just not more totally new content and no CTE development.

    DICE intends to keep BF4 and BF Hardline alive within the same community as BF1.


    So could they do one more gun as part of the patch? Who knows? I wouldn't expect it, because BF4 has lots of guns already. You can't just transfer stats from one game to another, but they could possibly use the Hardline model and stats as a rough start.

    Whre did you hear about another patch? the last one was almost 8 months ago...

  • CaptainHawsehole
    367 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited July 2016
    Well they will need a patch to implement the new grouping system they have already announced for sure.
  • owltro
    3356 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Well they will need a patch to implement the new grouping system they have already announced for sure.

  • TheLankySoldier
    67 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    edited July 2016
    That requires development time, which sadly, DICE doesn't have. Both DICE LA and DICE SE are working on BF1 24/7. Sad, but true. Could be a cool thing to see.

    - Lanky -
  • CaptainHawsehole
    367 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    And you're saying the new grouping tool thing for BF4/Hardline won't need development time?
  • TheLankySoldier
    67 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    And you're saying the new grouping tool thing for BF4/Hardline won't need development time?

    Yeah, and that's why nobody is working on BF4 or BFH right now. Battlefield UI, aka the Grouping Tool, is really important because BF1 won't have Battlelog support. So they need to introduce another way for people to join games. Heck, Battlefield 1 itself consumes a lot of development time. For example, DICE LA wasn't supposed to be working on BF1, but 95% of the studio is working on Battlefield 1 as we speak.

    This is how game design works: You have everything planned, you have this amazing idea. Later on, you have to cut 80-90% of the plan you created, because there's no time to develop all of it.

    Yes, 80-90%. True story. Ask any indie or Triple A developer. They will say the same thing.

    - Lanky -
  • owltro
    3356 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    And you're saying the new grouping tool thing for BF4/Hardline won't need development time?
    This is how game design works: You have everything planned, you have this amazing idea. Later on, you have to cut 80-90% of the plan you created, because there's no time to develop all of it.

    Yes, 80-90%. True story. Ask any indie or Triple A developer. They will say the same thing.

    - Lanky -
    ok so every game is only 10-20% of what the devs had planned... yeah ok buddy, need a source on that
  • TheLankySoldier
    67 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    owltro wrote: »
    And you're saying the new grouping tool thing for BF4/Hardline won't need development time?
    This is how game design works: You have everything planned, you have this amazing idea. Later on, you have to cut 80-90% of the plan you created, because there's no time to develop all of it.

    Yes, 80-90%. True story. Ask any indie or Triple A developer. They will say the same thing.

    - Lanky -
    ok so every game is only 10-20% of what the devs had planned... yeah ok buddy, need a source on that

    Seriously, go ask any guy/girl who is making a living from "Game Designing". They will say the same thing.

    - Lanky -
  • CaptainHawsehole
    367 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited July 2016
    This is how game design works: You have everything planned, you have this amazing idea. Later on, you have to cut 80-90% of the plan you created, because there's no time to develop all of it.

    Yes, 80-90%. True story. Ask any indie or Triple A developer. They will say the same thing.

    - Lanky -
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    owltro wrote: »
    ok so every game is only 10-20% of what the devs had planned... yeah ok buddy, need a source on that

    Also... er... if they change the grouping system... it's OBVIOUS that they need to patch BF4/Hardline... which means there is work done on BF4/Hardline. "Battlefield UI" tool isn,t making itslef for crissakes.

  • CaptainHawsehole
    367 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited July 2016
    ...edit...
  • Mr7Beans
    138 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    The only thing BF4 & BFH are getting is a new UI, i wouldn't mind having another weapon, but that's highly unlikely.
  • TheLankySoldier
    67 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    edited July 2016
    Alright, let me explain PROPERLY then.

    1. Patching a game costs money, a lot of money. This is just sending a file to Sony/Microsoft and install it on your console. PC doesn't cost money to patch, as it's on a separate independent platform. But as 2/3 of BF4 players are console based, yeah, it's quite important. Patching doesn't including "development budget" or paying the devs for their work. This is just patching a game. When EA will release a patch (if they will), will cost money. As certain individuals have Alpha Access to Battlefield UI and they join on BF4/BFH games with no problems, and those games haven't received a patch for 6+ months now.

    2. To patch a game, somebody will need to be working on the patch. That somebody won't work for free. EA needs to spend more money on developers who can work on this patch. Let's say have 20 people that receive regular annual salary for example. Obviously you will shift them around projects that brings the biggest profit to the company. In this case, DICE LA is working on BF1, because DICE SE needed help ( I can confirm this, because I was personally in LA to see this myself. Check my Twitter if you think I'm lying. Posted some pics from inside the studio). You don't employ more people to work on a game that basically finished in terms of content, and has minimal monetary value bringing to the company. All DLCs are becoming free every week/month. Did you notice that?

    3. Consoles have a limit on how much content you can bring to your games. Not because consoles can't handle it, because it's just extras, but because of legal terms that is in Terms of Services. Sony/Microsoft don't want one game to fill their entire HD space on their consoles, as people would start to complain why Sony/Microsoft doesn't expand their HD space with their consoles. Which they won't do, as consoles would cost 100+ bucks more. BF4 have reached that limit. Look how many maps we have, I mean, holy jesus. Most of them games wish they had that much content as BF4 has provided.

    4. And there's already a patch prepared since 2015 December - 2016 February, before DICE LA moved on from BF4 to BF1. It's been on standby since then. And nobody worked on BF4 since then. Porting a gun from BFH or doing anything from a visual point of view, requires months of work. Remember the Weapon Crate DLC for BF4? Yeah, it took 2 months to port AN-94 from BF3. And when I'm saying port, it had to be redesigned, it's not copy paste. Why do you think it had no textures back it was first released in CTE?

    Hopefully that clears some stuff and you will understand why it's not that easy as it sounds.

    - Lanky -
  • CaptainHawsehole
    367 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    As certain individuals have Alpha Access to Battlefield UI and they join on BF4/BFH games with no problems, and those games haven't received a patch.

    Only piece of relevant info in your wall of text bro. Nobody has made any claims as to anything else, cost or labor wise.
    On the face of it, it would seem logical that new functionalities added to a game, even for an alpha test would, require a download of some kind. That those who have alpha access to Battle UI didn't even need a patch to access it is a fact that apparently very few know. Grandstanding much?
  • TheLankySoldier
    67 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    edited July 2016
    As certain individuals have Alpha Access to Battlefield UI and they join on BF4/BFH games with no problems, and those games haven't received a patch.

    Only piece of relevant info in your wall of text bro. Nobody has made any claims as to anything else, cost or labor wise.
    On the face of it, it would seem logical that new functionalities added to a game, even for an alpha test would, require a download of some kind. That those who have alpha access to Battle UI didn't even need a patch to access it is a fact that apparently very few know. Grandstanding much?

    You're literally talking to a guy that talks to DICE developers directly. And if the game was patched, it was patched to minimal extent that doesn't touch the actual code of the game. If they touched the code, the server would kick those players out of the server, because it wouldn't be matching with the rest of the players on the server. That's how cheats are found. If the client version is not 100% accurate to other players, server will kick those players out of the game. And funny enough, when Battlefield UI alpha finished last week, players who had access to it, were reporting they got banned by Punkbuster, because the server thought they had a cheat ( Because it was installed on their Clients and it wasn't matching with other players. Even EA and DICE people got banned, which is hilarious.

    And this just joining a game on a server. This thing has been in Alpha for god knows how long, and it takes a lot of resources to replace Battlelog. It's months of hard development just to make things work properly.

    So imagine working on new content for BF4. Just imagine. Read my previous post again CAREFULLY. EA would be literally losing money, unless you're willing to pay for that content. And if EA is losing money, developers are losing jobs. No developers, no good games to produce.

    - Lanky -
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