Make Rank Mean Something

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von_Campenstein
4570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
At the start of a round put the ranking member of a squad as lead, too much time and points are lost from the start having clueless noobs as squadleads before the situation can be corrected.

Rank after all means more time put in and more experience, it should be reflected ingame.

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  • TEKNOCODE
    7487 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Rank means more time put in, which reflects neglecting team/squad mates over a longer period.

  • Contra87
    555 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    At the start of a round put the ranking member of a squad as lead, too much time and points are lost from the start having clueless noobs as squadleads before the situation can be corrected.

    Rank after all means more time put in and more experience, it should be reflected ingame.

    I agree. I would also make rank based on how you play the objectives/classes. And you could be demoted for doing it poorly. I think that would cause some players to try a little harder. I think it would improve match making, as well. Now, how/what stats should be used to figure rank, I haven't the foggiest idea.
  • Ferdinand_J_Foch
    2346 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    Contra87 wrote: »
    At the start of a round put the ranking member of a squad as lead, too much time and points are lost from the start having clueless noobs as squadleads before the situation can be corrected.

    Rank after all means more time put in and more experience, it should be reflected ingame.

    I agree. I would also make rank based on how you play the objectives/classes. And you could be demoted for doing it poorly. I think that would cause some players to try a little harder. I think it would improve match making, as well. Now, how/what stats should be used to figure rank, I haven't the foggiest idea.

    They're probably going to implement this sort of ranking system with Incursion rather than the normal BF1 game modes. It'll most likely be similar to CSGO's ranking system.
  • Contra87
    555 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Contra87 wrote: »
    At the start of a round put the ranking member of a squad as lead, too much time and points are lost from the start having clueless noobs as squadleads before the situation can be corrected.

    Rank after all means more time put in and more experience, it should be reflected ingame.

    I agree. I would also make rank based on how you play the objectives/classes. And you could be demoted for doing it poorly. I think that would cause some players to try a little harder. I think it would improve match making, as well. Now, how/what stats should be used to figure rank, I haven't the foggiest idea.

    They're probably going to implement this sort of ranking system with Incursion rather than the normal BF1 game modes. It'll most likely be similar to CSGO's ranking system.

    Oh ok, I've never played that. I'd like to see them do something to get the average player more interested in trying to play better. Probably too late for BF1, though.
  • robmcewen
    2496 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Could they do this with the behemoths drivers as well, every time it seems my team gets the dreadnought 30 seconds later its beached with drive honking the horn.
  • von_Campenstein
    4570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Contra87 wrote: »
    At the start of a round put the ranking member of a squad as lead, too much time and points are lost from the start having clueless noobs as squadleads before the situation can be corrected.

    Rank after all means more time put in and more experience, it should be reflected ingame.

    I agree. I would also make rank based on how you play the objectives/classes. And you could be demoted for doing it poorly. I think that would cause some players to try a little harder. I think it would improve match making, as well. Now, how/what stats should be used to figure rank, I haven't the foggiest idea.

    It's enough that you base matchmaking on SPM rather than the soup they're using now.
  • von_Campenstein
    4570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    robmcewen wrote: »
    Could they do this with the behemoths drivers as well, every time it seems my team gets the dreadnought 30 seconds later its beached with drive honking the horn.

    That is a bit trickier, a squad you can always start your own to learn the trade, with behemoths it's learning by doing and beaching the dread as to bring in the support guns point blank isn't always the worst play, driving off the map is.
  • von_Campenstein
    4570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    It really is a huge problem where you see no orders being issued or the same original order being in place as all flags are lost within the first few minutes of a match effectively ending it.
  • von_Campenstein
    4570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    First 3 minutes and the gap is created that will decide the outcome of the match, no order issued by the lowranking squadlead. Lead need to be assigned by rank to give every match a chance to be a good one, the blowout is the norm now and this is in part why.
  • dj4047
    436 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    First 3 minutes and the gap is created that will decide the outcome of the match, no order issued by the lowranking squadlead. Lead need to be assigned by rank to give every match a chance to be a good one, the blowout is the norm now and this is in part why.

    90% of players are going to play how they want, so giving orders is pointless. We can't force them to follow orders
  • GRIZZ11283
    4544 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Why do you need someone to tell you where to go?
    If you're playing with randoms, then that's how the game will be.
    Squad orders aren't gonna change that.
    Join a platoon of like minded people, problem solved for you.
  • Piotrek1983pm
    240 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    At the start of a round put the ranking member of a squad as lead, too much time and points are lost from the start having clueless noobs as squadleads before the situation can be corrected.

    Rank after all means more time put in and more experience, it should be reflected ingame.

    well said!!! agree
  • von_Campenstein
    4570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    GRIZZ11283 wrote: »
    Why do you need someone to tell you where to go?
    If you're playing with randoms, then that's how the game will be.
    Squad orders aren't gonna change that.
    Join a platoon of like minded people, problem solved for you.

    I don't do clans.
  • GRIZZ11283
    4544 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    GRIZZ11283 wrote: »
    Why do you need someone to tell you where to go?
    If you're playing with randoms, then that's how the game will be.
    Squad orders aren't gonna change that.
    Join a platoon of like minded people, problem solved for you.

    I don't do clans.

    But you need a random to tell you where to go?
    The squad orders don't make the battle.
  • von_Campenstein
    4570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    GRIZZ11283 wrote: »
    GRIZZ11283 wrote: »
    Why do you need someone to tell you where to go?
    If you're playing with randoms, then that's how the game will be.
    Squad orders aren't gonna change that.
    Join a platoon of like minded people, problem solved for you.

    I don't do clans.

    But you need a random to tell you where to go?
    The squad orders don't make the battle.

    Some sense of direction would be nice yes, no I don't need people to give me orders I can give the orders just fine myself. I do believe that's why they are in the game to begin with but I could be wrong, could be we just didn't have enough things blinking on screen.
  • HuwJarz
    3309 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    dj4047 wrote: »
    First 3 minutes and the gap is created that will decide the outcome of the match, no order issued by the lowranking squadlead. Lead need to be assigned by rank to give every match a chance to be a good one, the blowout is the norm now and this is in part why.

    90% of players are going to play how they want, so giving orders is pointless. We can't force them to follow orders

    Yo dont need all the players to follow orders. You just need enough. Unusually, I agree with @von_Campenstein.

    Your estimate if 90% is way too high IMO - When I play with Blueberries, I find that at least half of them will generally follow a direction. When i find those that won't (why do they join a squad!/) then I kick until i find more that do.

    Over time you build a squad that is effective.

    @dj4047 - You seem to have view that because a lot of people dont do something, that it means that it is totally broken. It is not. You just need enough.....
    @GRIZZ11283 - I used to hang to your every word, but other this........I'm disappointed in you ;-) Squsd order so NOT make the battle, but they can help you win a battle.
  • James-MII
    755 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Commander mode would make rank and score mean something.. just saying Dice.
  • GRIZZ11283
    4544 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    HuwJarz wrote: »
    dj4047 wrote: »
    First 3 minutes and the gap is created that will decide the outcome of the match, no order issued by the lowranking squadlead. Lead need to be assigned by rank to give every match a chance to be a good one, the blowout is the norm now and this is in part why.

    90% of players are going to play how they want, so giving orders is pointless. We can't force them to follow orders

    Yo dont need all the players to follow orders. You just need enough. Unusually, I agree with @von_Campenstein.

    Your estimate if 90% is way too high IMO - When I play with Blueberries, I find that at least half of them will generally follow a direction. When i find those that won't (why do they join a squad!/) then I kick until i find more that do.

    Over time you build a squad that is effective.

    @dj4047 - You seem to have view that because a lot of people dont do something, that it means that it is totally broken. It is not. You just need enough.....
    @GRIZZ11283 - I used to hang to your every word, but other this........I'm disappointed in you ;-) Squsd order so NOT make the battle, but they can help you win a battle.

    I wasn't wrong though :smile:

    I'm not saying they can't help with the right squad leader, but alot use it just for points, hence the 101 thread :smile:
  • HuwJarz
    3309 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    GRIZZ11283 wrote: »
    I wasn't wrong though :smile:

    I'm not saying they can't help with the right squad leader, but alot use it just for points, hence the 101 thread :smile:

    You are VERY wrong. On many levels. ;-)

    When are we squadding yup? You ignored my recent invites!!!
  • GRIZZ11283
    4544 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    HuwJarz wrote: »
    GRIZZ11283 wrote: »
    I wasn't wrong though :smile:

    I'm not saying they can't help with the right squad leader, but alot use it just for points, hence the 101 thread :smile:

    You are VERY wrong. On many levels. ;-)

    When are we squadding yup? You ignored my recent invites!!!

    I was on GT sport the other day, sorry.
    My lad is on my ps4 alot of the time, so i dont see alot if invites, I'll get on with you at some point :)
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