Bought a Xbox One X and XIM APEX. Returned them both for a refund.

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Oskool_007
557 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
Thought I might like gaming on Xbox in order to get away from PC cheaters, but after two days playing BF1 on Xbox I went back to PC.

There was micro rubberbanding on all of the Xbox BF1 servers in all regions. It was minor but I noticed it while running around and found it distracting. I joined an empty server and there was no micro rubberbanding.

30hz tickrate servers feel less fluid than 60hz servers. Gameplay feels faster and more fluid on 60hz servers. 30hz definitely feels more laggy.

Input lag is higher on Xbox due to v-sync. I had trouble sniping with a mouse if the polling rate was 125hz, due to high input lag.

1000hz mouse polling rate on XIM definitely reduces input lag, but causes mouse jitter for some reason. Which makes the game feel like it's dropping frames and stuttering when moving the mouse around, but really it's XIM dropping mouse inputs.

XIM has a 'smoothing' option to reduce jitter, but I don't understand why the jitter is there in the first place. High mouse DPI causes jitter, not high polling rate. At 1000hz/3000dpi I shouldn't be experiencing jitter.

I believe the jitter is caused because the Xbox controller polls at 125hz while the mouse is polling at 1000hz. I think the two devices become out-of-sync due to this difference in polling rate. If the mouse is set to 125hz, same as the Xbox controller, there's no jitter.

Xbox One X couldn't maintain a locked 60fps in BF1. There wasn't any major FPS drops, but small stutters regularly happen due to small frame drops just below 60fps. I found XIM's mouse jitter caused more stuttering than the Xbox did dropping frames.

I had to decide between fast snappy gameplay with cheaters on PC, or slower more laggy gameplay with no cheaters on Xbox. I can honestly say I enjoy playing BF1 on PC more. I even missed the toxic chatbox PC has. It entertains me.

Maybe next gen consoles will support variable refresh rate and have low input lag. With CPUs that allow for 60hz servers. I'll give console gaming another try when the next gen consoles come out.

Comments

  • disposalist
    8465 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I hope people don't take it as a 'master race' opinion, but I just hate FPSs on console. The experience is night-and-day compared to PC.

    There's no need to be weird or touchy about it. If you throw 5 or 6 times the money at something of course you get a better experience.

    If I had to use Asian servers I might feel different, I suppose, but there aren't many cheaters in the EU - it's just not a problem that stacks up in any way against the technological advantages.

    I also don't really have a problem with population. Sure, if I want to play Supply Drop I have to wait until the weekend for higher population, but if I just want to play Conquest I can get a game at 7am on a weekday if I want.
  • BaronVonGoon
    6639 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 2018
    Wouldn't doubt it. I stopped playing Operations on console because I feel it suffers from fps issues more often than conquest. If I play BF1 on pc I probably wouldn't be able to play it again on console.

    Then again creatures as evil the national socialists and **** run hacks on pc...
    Post edited by BaronVonGoon on
  • MAGNUM_MU5TACHE
    1160 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 2018
    You should have known that consoles are weaker than PC. It's common knowledge. I noticed you have 300+ hours on BF3 on xbox 360 yet you seem to come off in your post as a PC player trying console for the first time. Having played xbox 360 you should have known the limitations of consoles..
    Post edited by MAGNUM_MU5TACHE on
  • Sixclicks
    5073 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 2018
    Never really had a problem with FPS games on console, but I do prefer them on PC, particularly because of the faster frame rate, faster refresh rate which helps to eliminate motion blur, better aiming (compared to using a controller), faster tick rates, etc. It's annoying when you run into cheaters on PC, but otherwise the game tends to play smoother. I also get frame drops in some console games.

    The biggest thing I dislike about consoles though is the loading screens in most games... they're so F'ing long!

    Otherwise they're nice because they're pretty much just plug and play, you rarely have to troubleshoot much, the population tends to be larger, you don't have to deal with cheaters (at least not to the extent of hacking), and they're a lot more portable than a full sized desktop if you want to take it with you somewhere such as when I'm on a job away from home for a few days.

    I expect with time consoles will start to compare a lot more closely to PCs and possibly even have more modular parts that would allow you to upgrade components much like a PC.
    I also don't really have a problem with population. Sure, if I want to play Supply Drop I have to wait until the weekend for higher population, but if I just want to play Conquest I can get a game at 7am on a weekday if I want.

    Population in the US seems pretty abysmal lately.

    I looked for a Rush server last night - zero populated results.
    Looked for a Frontlines server - 2 populated results.
    Looked for a Domination server - 2 populated results.
    Looked for Operations with the server browser - 4 populated results.

    It seems like Conquest is all anyone plays on PC anymore in the US, at least on weekdays around 10pm EST.

    Also, before anyone asks, I've got my server filter set to show all servers regardless of if they're full or not.
  • IDazzlerazzle
    397 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    TEKNOCODE wrote: »
    This is me running to build a gaming pc after reading this.
    tenor.gif

    More like this is you being excited that you have to sell your kidney to get a graphic card :open_mouth:
  • Ploodovic
    1642 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Play with a controller, like everyone else on console?
  • fortress66
    344 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    Never really had a problem with FPS games on console, but I do prefer them on PC, particularly because of the faster frame rate, faster refresh rate which helps to eliminate motion blur, better aiming (compared to using a controller), faster tick rates, etc. It's annoying when you run into cheaters on PC, but otherwise the game tends to play smoother. I also get frame drops in some console games.

    The biggest thing I dislike about consoles though is the loading screens in most games... they're so F'ing long!

    Otherwise they're nice because they're pretty much just plug and play, you rarely have to troubleshoot much, the population tends to be larger, you don't have to deal with cheaters (at least not to the extent of hacking), and they're a lot more portable than a full sized desktop if you want to take it with you somewhere such as when I'm on a job away from home for a few days.

    I expect with time consoles will start to compare a lot more closely to PCs and possibly even have more modular parts that would allow you to upgrade components much like a PC.
    I also don't really have a problem with population. Sure, if I want to play Supply Drop I have to wait until the weekend for higher population, but if I just want to play Conquest I can get a game at 7am on a weekday if I want.

    Population in the US seems pretty abysmal lately.

    I looked for a Rush server last night - zero populated results.
    Looked for a Frontlines server - 2 populated results.
    Looked for a Domination server - 2 populated results.
    Looked for Operations with the server browser - 4 populated results.

    It seems like Conquest is all anyone plays on PC anymore in the US, at least on weekdays around 10pm EST.

    Also, before anyone asks, I've got my server filter set to show all servers regardless of if they're full or not.

    What are you talking about?? Plenty of operation servers yesterday nights
  • xBCxSEALxTEAMx6
    1416 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Wel, idk much about this issue, being i don't have an X, but one of my friends does, and it seems BF1 wasn't optimized yet for X from what i understand.
  • Sixclicks
    5073 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 2018
    fortress66 wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    Never really had a problem with FPS games on console, but I do prefer them on PC, particularly because of the faster frame rate, faster refresh rate which helps to eliminate motion blur, better aiming (compared to using a controller), faster tick rates, etc. It's annoying when you run into cheaters on PC, but otherwise the game tends to play smoother. I also get frame drops in some console games.

    The biggest thing I dislike about consoles though is the loading screens in most games... they're so F'ing long!

    Otherwise they're nice because they're pretty much just plug and play, you rarely have to troubleshoot much, the population tends to be larger, you don't have to deal with cheaters (at least not to the extent of hacking), and they're a lot more portable than a full sized desktop if you want to take it with you somewhere such as when I'm on a job away from home for a few days.

    I expect with time consoles will start to compare a lot more closely to PCs and possibly even have more modular parts that would allow you to upgrade components much like a PC.
    I also don't really have a problem with population. Sure, if I want to play Supply Drop I have to wait until the weekend for higher population, but if I just want to play Conquest I can get a game at 7am on a weekday if I want.

    Population in the US seems pretty abysmal lately.

    I looked for a Rush server last night - zero populated results.
    Looked for a Frontlines server - 2 populated results.
    Looked for a Domination server - 2 populated results.
    Looked for Operations with the server browser - 4 populated results.

    It seems like Conquest is all anyone plays on PC anymore in the US, at least on weekdays around 10pm EST.

    Also, before anyone asks, I've got my server filter set to show all servers regardless of if they're full or not.

    What are you talking about?? Plenty of operation servers yesterday nights

    Um... I'm talking about exactly what I saw when using the browser last night. I refreshed it a bunch of times and every time it ranged from 0 to 4 populated servers for Operations on US servers. If there were more, then the server browser must not be showing them for some reason.
  • X_justhaze_X
    365 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Oskool_007 wrote: »
    Thought I might like gaming on Xbox in order to get away from PC cheaters, but after two days playing BF1 on Xbox I went back to PC.

    There was micro rubberbanding on all of the Xbox BF1 servers in all regions. It was minor but I noticed it while running around and found it distracting. I joined an empty server and there was no micro rubberbanding.

    30hz tickrate servers feel less fluid than 60hz servers. Gameplay feels faster and more fluid on 60hz servers. 30hz definitely feels more laggy.

    Input lag is higher on Xbox due to v-sync. I had trouble sniping with a mouse if the polling rate was 125hz, due to high input lag.

    1000hz mouse polling rate on XIM definitely reduces input lag, but causes mouse jitter for some reason. Which makes the game feel like it's dropping frames and stuttering when moving the mouse around, but really it's XIM dropping mouse inputs.

    XIM has a 'smoothing' option to reduce jitter, but I don't understand why the jitter is there in the first place. High mouse DPI causes jitter, not high polling rate. At 1000hz/3000dpi I shouldn't be experiencing jitter.

    I believe the jitter is caused because the Xbox controller polls at 125hz while the mouse is polling at 1000hz. I think the two devices become out-of-sync due to this difference in polling rate. If the mouse is set to 125hz, same as the Xbox controller, there's no jitter.

    Xbox One X couldn't maintain a locked 60fps in BF1. There wasn't any major FPS drops, but small stutters regularly happen due to small frame drops just below 60fps. I found XIM's mouse jitter caused more stuttering than the Xbox did dropping frames.

    I had to decide between fast snappy gameplay with cheaters on PC, or slower more laggy gameplay with no cheaters on Xbox. I can honestly say I enjoy playing BF1 on PC more. I even missed the toxic chatbox PC has. It entertains me.

    Maybe next gen consoles will support variable refresh rate and have low input lag. With CPUs that allow for 60hz servers. I'll give console gaming another try when the next gen consoles come out.

    I moved to PS4 because of cheaters on PC too. I must say I miss the fast paced gun play but the text chat box most of all. It makes the game more enjoyable even though it's toxic most of the time but damn entertaining.
  • trip1ex
    4650 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 2018
    there is no native mouse/keyboard on consoles. the Xim Apex device only lets you simulate controller movement using a mouse/keyboard. It was never going to feel like it is on pc. Never going to be as fast and precise.

    I have both console and pc. and yeah pc is smoother and more crisp. But your performance on console is the same as everyone else's and less buggy than on pc. I think that's the big win for using consoles. Less hassle. OH and price is the other big win.

    the cheater problem on pc is 99% made up/exaggerated. I rarely see an obvious cheater and lately haven't seen one in over a month. I play most days.

    Balance is a much bigger problem than cheaters. It's not even close. At least in the US.

  • HuwJarz
    3868 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    I dont understand this thread.

    XIM is god mode. It makes your guns shoot laser beams, turn 180 in a nanosecond and basically aims for you. It TOTALLY emulates a PC experience on console.

    I can only surmise that you are doing something wrong.

    I'll get my coat.
  • YourLocalPlumber
    2711 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Of course console experience will be worse compared to PC just because consoles run at 30Hz refresh rate. You will never get crisp gameplay as on PC with 60Hz servers.
  • ackers75
    2275 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Got a Xbox one x and the frame rate is solid.
    I play on pc and console but for playing bf1 it has to be the Xbox due to the complete lack of a reasonable anti cheat on pc
  • TheGM86
    757 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    faponit wrote: »
    TEKNOCODE wrote: »
    This is me running to build a gaming pc after reading this.
    tenor.gif

    More like this is you being excited that you have to sell your kidney to get a graphic card :open_mouth:

    He could buy one of mine.
    BN-XK000_0208CR_H_20180208184601.jpg
  • ProAssassin2003
    3225 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 2018
    Runs great and looks great on PS4 Pro. Buying a Xbox X then using a Mouse on it is just dumb.
  • MegaloDorian
    910 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    TheGM86 wrote: »
    faponit wrote: »
    TEKNOCODE wrote: »
    This is me running to build a gaming pc after reading this.
    tenor.gif

    More like this is you being excited that you have to sell your kidney to get a graphic card :open_mouth:

    He could buy one of mine.
    BN-XK000_0208CR_H_20180208184601.jpg

    that'stheevilestthingicanimagine.meme
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