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Ahhh, you're one of the Aussie guys. Hello cousin
Sorta but if all players know what’s going on it’s fair play
If you wanted to game OOR, you just had to deal with your poor connection OOR ..
Or weren't even allowed to join because your were above the ping limit.
No reason to kill other players game, becuse some player wants to play OOR or has a poor connection/poor home network.
All the compensations make gaming with very low fiber connection ping a terrible experience.
ACES is somehow become a NO-NO-word here on the forums... I heard FF invited to a party once and left ACES out and invited (SB) Superhuman Beings instead
Yeah I do agree with you there. Nothing worse then being halfway through a game to have some kill your match.
Why’s that? I’m sorta newish so I don’t know much history between other platoons.
I've only ever played on lenient latency servers a few times. It was in EU, so with a ping of 25 or so I was pretty much the only guy with a ping below 70. Most were between 70 and 120, but plenty much much higher. And honestly, I absolutely wrecked everyone on that server. I literally had no problems whatsoever.
So much nonsense in one post.
What I believe lenient latency does is effectively remove the ping limit for client side hit detection. It means those who would otherwise be above the ping limit no longer have to guess where to aim, making it a much more pleasant experience for those OOR players.
It will mean slightly more hit around corners from those OOR, but means Aces both sides of the world could play and probably have a reasonable game together.
NOT this discussion again .. RevOverDrive explained that you are in a disadvantage with very low ping with the way the netcode from BF1 works ..
In the old days, the games that I played on PC had ping limits and people that were close the limit just bounced around and were easy targets, no compensation what so ever.
The good part about that , was that OOR players stopped connecting because they had no chance what so ever, the way it should be.
Get good internet/home network and stay in your Region if you want to play online, don't destroy the fun of others.
Hey, you kind of introduced this discussion in here (as always).
Look I played BF1 for >70 days (doesn't mean I am proud of it) and > 99.9% of the time I had no problem whatsoever with the netcode or lag compensation or whatever you name it. I have usually below or around 20 ping and always play in EU servers. The only times I had some wonky stuff is when I played on US or OOR servers without realising it (and it wasn't so bad) or when my line or router had some problems.
That doesn't mean that in some particular cases hit reg and netcode may become bad, and that in some regions servers don't function properly all the time.
But in most of the cases as Wetfish said the problem is between the screen and the chair. And it seems to me a lot of players tend to blame the game unfairly, when they should be really blaming themselves or their hardware.
Yes, 'this' again - because here you are, once again, spouting absolute nonsense and de-railing a thread trying to excuse your poor performances on having a good ping. You literally have NO idea how lag compensation works, like at all. Not one bit. Otherwise you wouldn't come up with comments about the 'good ol days before lag compensation' when it's ALWAYS been in this game and pretty much EVERY SINGLE online FPS before it.
A ping limit is completely DIFFERENT from lag compensation. The fact you think they are the same highlights just how uneducated you are on this concept. A ping limit can do many things, typically it either prevents people from joining where their ping is over a certain value, or in BF1 case limits the point at which client side hit detection is allowed. In BF1 if you are over the ping limit you have to aim where the server thinks they are, not where you see them on your screen - which understandably makes it a pretty poor experience for those over the limit. And BF1 actually has pretty strict limits (in EU anyway), much stricter limits than BF4 for example. But hey, 'good ol' days' - right?
And there is literally nothing that makes it exclusively an advantage for high pingers. There are pro's and con's from having a higher ping differential and nothing that makes it a 'terrible' experience for low ping players. It's your lack of ability that makes it terrible for you, nothing else. The fact that you need terrible netcode, and easy stationary targets in the 'good ol' days' says more about your inability to aim than anything else.
What RevOverDrive explains is the 'peakers advantage'. This exists in all online FPS. To quote "Peekers Advantage applies to all latencies, but at different levels. The larger the offset between the parties involved, the larger the advantage." - essentially the bigger difference between the two players then the bigger the peeker advantage. Importantly though, it doesn't matter if the peeker is the high or low ping player though, the point is the peeker will see the enemy before the enemy sees the peeker.
This is why people play OOR (but within ping limit) to snipe is because by them playing OOR they are only increasing the differential. And snipers tend to often play the peeking game (Shaunlake is an example of such player), and thus they get the advantage most of the time. That's fine for TDM, but for objective based modes where the player has to move around to be effective, then it is no longer exclusively their benefit.
He does go on to talk about scenario based hit detection for high pingers when moving, but frankly given how little you understand of the basics I can't see us having a sensible conversation around more complex topics.
I have NO idea, but some one that makes games does, and he says it is the way I just wrote it down and I can tell you it totally matches my experience.
It’s you not understanding what you’ve read. The peekers advantage applies both ways. He literally describes the advantage from the low ping players perspective!
Give me a direct quote where he said it’s terrible for players with low ping like you claim? Or how about the exact scenario that makes it bad for players with low ping and good for high ping?
Here’s a random vid of me with one of the lowest pings in the server having a ‘terrible’ time. It’s random footage for a mate taken the last time I played. Hint: I’m being sarcastic. Despite me having a disadvantage by having such a low ping I somehow manage to MVP going 70-12. The highest placed player with a ping over 70 is 12th, and the few with pings over 100 much further down. How odd given they have such an advantage
I have almost played the same number of days and I can tell you, that if you have a fiber connection and prefect home network with ping aroun 5 you totally experience the effects of OOR players with ping above 100 and how the netcode from BF1 deals with this.
RevOverDrive even calculated that my experience is totally how it should be according calculations.
I can also tell you, when I play OOR (US west coast) wehere I have A ping between 70 and 90 my hitregistration is 10 times better, especially with fast action like dogfights.