Bolt action rifles nerf is stupid

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  • Malecite
    95 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    GP-Caliber wrote: »
    Malecite wrote: »
    So far the bolt action nerf hasn't stopped matches from being filled with 30% or more snipers, the lack of 3d spotting and the smoke grenades going to the rarely picked medic class has caused recon to be a favorite on the massive open maps. The last thing we need is better weapons to encourage more people to pick this useless class.

    i get scores with this useless class you can only dream of.

    Everyone always says the same thing: "My K/D sniper ratio would give a straight man an ****"

    The thing is no one cares, and nor should they.

    Look at every single BF title that has been released, then look me in the eye and tell me that the sniper class meaningfully contributes on average to a match.

    I couldn't care less about how well you do while your sitting in the base shooting people between the eyes across the map, the gameplay suffers when people snipe. So quite honestly the sniper changes will keep the guns in the hands of the pros like yourself and discourage idiots from sitting on points instead of playing them.
  • GP-Caliber
    651 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Malecite wrote: »
    GP-Caliber wrote: »
    Malecite wrote: »
    So far the bolt action nerf hasn't stopped matches from being filled with 30% or more snipers, the lack of 3d spotting and the smoke grenades going to the rarely picked medic class has caused recon to be a favorite on the massive open maps. The last thing we need is better weapons to encourage more people to pick this useless class.

    i get scores with this useless class you can only dream of.

    Everyone always says the same thing: "My K/D sniper ratio would give a straight man an ****"

    The thing is no one cares, and nor should they.

    Look at every single BF title that has been released, then look me in the eye and tell me that the sniper class meaningfully contributes on average to a match.

    I couldn't care less about how well you do while your sitting in the base shooting people between the eyes across the map, the gameplay suffers when people snipe. So quite honestly the sniper changes will keep the guns in the hands of the pros like yourself and discourage idiots from sitting on points instead of playing them.

    i do agree with you that there are to many terrible recons. but its not the class thats the problem its the players. players even camp in tanks.
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Malecite wrote: »
    GP-Caliber wrote: »
    Malecite wrote: »
    So far the bolt action nerf hasn't stopped matches from being filled with 30% or more snipers, the lack of 3d spotting and the smoke grenades going to the rarely picked medic class has caused recon to be a favorite on the massive open maps. The last thing we need is better weapons to encourage more people to pick this useless class.

    i get scores with this useless class you can only dream of.

    Everyone always says the same thing: "My K/D sniper ratio would give a straight man an ****"

    I've actually got a higher KDR as assault than recon in this game. A lot easier to rack up a bunch of kills each life.
  • Rogue-Mike
    296 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    edited November 2018
    I still feel the damage model values and bullet behavior from BF3 or like the G.95 from BF1 were good place holders to work with without that cheesy sweet spot. Not saying ut should be exactly the same, but its just weird having to aim extra high over a stationary target's head for a HS at the same range that would require minimal to no adjustments at the same range from previous titles. Assaults range at the moment is superior then that of Scouts which is not good at all.

    Those HS with the little ding and custom colors is still legit though.
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.
  • eSynthetiK
    9 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    I don't think you know what try harding means lmao
    Try hards go for the most statistically viable and efficient method to win, which is in no way shape or form the recon class
    the try hards will gravitate highly to the assault class with it's semi-auto's that can easily pick off targets at close and medium ranges and even long range
  • xeNizKing
    507 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    Make them worthwhile in objective play instead of on hills and DICE can change thier velocities to anything they want.

    you realise its not just recon on those hills right now right?
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    eSynthetiK wrote: »
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    I don't think you know what try harding means lmao
    Try hards go for the most statistically viable and efficient method to win, which is in no way shape or form the recon class
    the try hards will gravitate highly to the assault class with it's semi-auto's that can easily pick off targets at close and medium ranges and even long range

    That makes zero sense.

    If the task was easy they would be try easys not try hards.

    EDIT: Yeah there's different definitions for try hards, I think what you are referring to would be more fitting of a poser than a try hard.

    Mods, please don't ban me for using naughty words.
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    So when are shotguns going to be hard to use? They're a OHK as well.

    Regardless, we weren't asking for OHK bolt actions to the chest. Just bolt actions that don't do a measly 55 damage to the chest.

    And before you say, "well shotguns don't have much range".... M30 Drilling. Its rifle mode actually does more damage than a sniper round to the chest.
  • DingoKillr
    4356 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    So when are shotguns going to be hard to use? They're a OHK as well.

    Regardless, we weren't asking for OHK bolt actions to the chest. Just bolt actions that don't do a measly 55 damage to the chest.

    And before you say, "well shotguns don't have much range".... M30 Drilling. Its rifle mode actually does more damage than a sniper round to the chest.

    I don't believe it will change because to many try hard Assault and youtubers whinged to DICE every chance they get. Making up BS like numbers or it should be skilled based(555) while ignoring the same issues on their favorite class. It is easier to strafe and fire for every class but recon and then you have the glint.

    Even the mastery assignment some top players have stated they are over top for recon.
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    So when are shotguns going to be hard to use? They're a OHK as well.

    Regardless, we weren't asking for OHK bolt actions to the chest. Just bolt actions that don't do a measly 55 damage to the chest.

    And before you say, "well shotguns don't have much range".... M30 Drilling. Its rifle mode actually does more damage than a sniper round to the chest.

    shotguns should have a range nerf, The M30 maybe needs a change.

    55 damage is still kill stealing territory anyway, 75 would make it a OHK on pretty much anyone that's injured if you take in to account how much damage other guns are doing.
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    DingoKillr wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    So when are shotguns going to be hard to use? They're a OHK as well.

    Regardless, we weren't asking for OHK bolt actions to the chest. Just bolt actions that don't do a measly 55 damage to the chest.

    And before you say, "well shotguns don't have much range".... M30 Drilling. Its rifle mode actually does more damage than a sniper round to the chest.

    I don't believe it will change because to many try hard Assault and youtubers whinged to DICE every chance they get. Making up BS like numbers or it should be skilled based(555) while ignoring the same issues on their favorite class. It is easier to strafe and fire for every class but recon and then you have the glint.

    Even the mastery assignment some top players have stated they are over top for recon.


    it's 10 headshot kills in a life or 20 headshot kills in a round while in objective areas.

    The 'in objective areas' part is absurd as it has nothing to do with mastery but its not hard with a bolt action because you only have to hit them in the head once.

    The mastery challenge for the gewehr 43 is the same.. you have to hit them in the head at least twice... That's hard, really hard.

    Recon has nothing to complain about.
  • WhiteRabbit_swe
    619 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Member
    edited November 2018
    The recon bolt action rifles do need a buff indeed! They need it most in increased bullet velocity, less bullet drop and higher damage... I got assist counts as kill maybe 5 times after playing this game since early access... Insta healing for everyone hurts this class badly... This is very very bad and unfair...

    Recon has never ever dominated the battlefield, not in the way a assault or support player has... The thing is that assault and support players in general have a very simple mindset, they can actually enjoy and never get bored of cheese kill enemy by spamming automatic weapons, shotguns or grenade launchers with very little to no recoil, while convincing themself of that they are gg esportz material... Comparing k/d and mock people having less k/d then themself, even if they got their own k/d by abusing the current overpowered and broken weapon...

    They demand that the recon class should have a super high skill ceiling, but when you ask them the same for their class they just ignore and don't answer that question... They can't stand getting OHK by a sniper (not even at close range), but think its still ok for them to run around with a shotgun and insta kill people... Some of them even ask for or demand the recon get removed completely, or severely limited... But support and assault players killing people from range across the map is ok!?

    Yeah, lets just remove the recon class and pretend that snipers and their rifles didn't exist during ww2, but god forbid if you give people the option to have a female soldier in battlefield, then its 100% about realism and total outrage on the forums... I opened a bottle of champagne when I saw DICE answer to those players **** about this, made me proud to be Swedish again, "accept it or don't buy they game they said"... They should buff recon class, and give assault and support some recoil already, and also give them the same answer when they start **** on the forums again... This is the only way to deal with ignorant and selfish people!

    Over the years of battlefield games I come to realize that assault and support are mostly for people that have no skill (not all, but most of them), have a simple mindset, and are ignorant of anybody other then themself... They are selfish, period... They should not even be playing a multiplayer game, they should go play single player instead, only way they be happy because then they always win, then forum and chat log in game would be mostly clear of insults and rubbish!

    And no developer should ever take these people serious! These players are now in a majority of this game, and the majority, always always always, pick on the 1%... History has showed this over and over again, but people still never change their views or perspective, and try see things objective...

    End of rant!


  • Rogue-Mike
    296 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    DingoKillr wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    So when are shotguns going to be hard to use? They're a OHK as well.

    Regardless, we weren't asking for OHK bolt actions to the chest. Just bolt actions that don't do a measly 55 damage to the chest.

    And before you say, "well shotguns don't have much range".... M30 Drilling. Its rifle mode actually does more damage than a sniper round to the chest.

    I don't believe it will change because to many try hard Assault and youtubers whinged to DICE every chance they get. Making up BS like numbers or it should be skilled based(555) while ignoring the same issues on their favorite class. It is easier to strafe and fire for every class but recon and then you have the glint.

    Even the mastery assignment some top players have stated they are over top for recon.


    it's 10 headshot kills in a life or 20 headshot kills in a round while in objective areas.

    The 'in objective areas' part is absurd as it has nothing to do with mastery but its not hard with a bolt action because you only have to hit them in the head once.

    The mastery challenge for the gewehr 43 is the same.. you have to hit them in the head at least twice... That's hard, really hard.

    Recon has nothing to complain about.

    Havent leveled Scout to see its Mastery but there still an issues. Scout effectiveness as a whole has been hampered in such a way that it doesnt make sense to class balance. BA rifles are in a bad spot until they get level 4, takes about 3 shots to kill if the target heals, bullet drop is much more drastic compared to BF3 to 1 and their spotting flare that was one the most useful gadgets has been dumbed down significantly.

    Not only that, but it's very apparent that there is heavy favoring to the Assault that it has essentially become a jack of all trades to effectively. Assaults can outplay Scouts at pto range, be a tank buster and still not miss a beat dealing with infantry all in one sitting. So yes even if your not a Scout, there is much to call out.
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    So when are shotguns going to be hard to use? They're a OHK as well.

    Regardless, we weren't asking for OHK bolt actions to the chest. Just bolt actions that don't do a measly 55 damage to the chest.

    And before you say, "well shotguns don't have much range".... M30 Drilling. Its rifle mode actually does more damage than a sniper round to the chest.

    shotguns should have a range nerf, The M30 maybe needs a change.

    55 damage is still kill stealing territory anyway, 75 would make it a OHK on pretty much anyone that's injured if you take in to account how much damage other guns are doing.

    And yet enemies are rarely injured enough to die in one hit from my rifle. That may have been the direction they were going originally when they made bolt action damage so low, assuming most players wouldn't be at full health, but that's not the case since they gave everyone a personal healing kit on spawn. Before bandages were added, back in the alpha, it was more common. Now almost everyone is running around topped off or close to it. Assault also gained the ability to auto heal for 40 health with one of their specializations. It takes 3 hits to kill an enemy with a bolt action if they apply their bandages just after you hit them the first time since the regeneration starts instantly.

    That's why you go for headshots, not body shots.

    I haven't played much recon in BF5 but the little I have played was easy as far as headshot kills go and I got plenty of 1 shot kills on injured enemies last night which felt cheap.

    Recon gets the quick weapon switch specialisation to cleanup with a secondary also. Which IMO if they made a body shot 75 all recons would just do the same boring old 1 shot rifle, switch to secondary and spray. It's so boring, every game does that.

    I think the way DICE wants recon to play in BF5 is you should be going everywhere with your secondary equipped and only using the rifle when it's most useful; medium to long range head shots.

    Use the revolver...
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    The ZH-29 is honestly a better sniper rifle than any bolt action. Why even bother going for headshots. And it's not even an issue if the enemy immediately uses their bandages since you don't need to spend 3/4 of a second chambering another round just to follow up your shot. Even if they're taking advantage of the absurdly fast strafe speed in the game to dodge your shots (as is all so common when trying to line up a headshot with a bolt action), it won't matter because you've got 5 rounds which you can fire in the time it takes you to fire 2 rounds with a bolt action.

  • DingoKillr
    4356 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    DingoKillr wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    1 shot kills should be the hardest thing to do in any game.

    The nerf is good.

    BF1 was easy mode scouting... It was a joke tbh.

    BF4 was almost as bad.

    Leave bolt actions for the try hards imo... and you really don't have to try THAT hard in BF5 anyway with the increased accuracy on the move.

    So when are shotguns going to be hard to use? They're a OHK as well.

    Regardless, we weren't asking for OHK bolt actions to the chest. Just bolt actions that don't do a measly 55 damage to the chest.

    And before you say, "well shotguns don't have much range".... M30 Drilling. Its rifle mode actually does more damage than a sniper round to the chest.

    I don't believe it will change because to many try hard Assault and youtubers whinged to DICE every chance they get. Making up BS like numbers or it should be skilled based(555) while ignoring the same issues on their favorite class. It is easier to strafe and fire for every class but recon and then you have the glint.

    Even the mastery assignment some top players have stated they are over top for recon.


    it's 10 headshot kills in a life or 20 headshot kills in a round while in objective areas.

    The 'in objective areas' part is absurd as it has nothing to do with mastery but its not hard with a bolt action because you only have to hit them in the head once.

    The mastery challenge for the gewehr 43 is the same.. you have to hit them in the head at least twice... That's hard, really hard.

    Recon has nothing to complain about.
    Not just the objective area but while prone.


  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The ZH-29 is honestly a better sniper rifle than any bolt action. Why even bother going for headshots. And it's not even an issue if the enemy immediately uses their bandages since you don't need to spend 3/4 of a second chambering another round just to follow up your shot. Even if they're taking advantage of the absurdly fast strafe speed in the game to dodge your shots (as is all so common when trying to line up a headshot with a bolt action), it won't matter because you've got 5 rounds which you can fire in the time it takes you to fire 2 rounds with a bolt action.
    So use the ZH-29...?

    I think you're playing recon wrong if you're worried about someone strafe dodging your shots and healing.

    The primary purpose of recon is stealth. If you want to charge into battle pick a different class.

    If you want to run around 1 shotting with a bolt action, or 1 shot with rifle then spray secondary maybe battlefield isn't the game for you.

    Battlefield is class based, this means that various classes have different strengths and weaknesses.

    Recon's primary strength is the ability to find enemies with the spot flare, and kill them in 1 shot to the head from any range; no other class can do that.

    but but assault can do this, support can do that but but but... NOOOOO! You're doing it wrong.

    High damage in 1 shot to the body at any range is not difficult or balanced no matter how you try to spin it.

    Maybe COD is the game for you? 360 no scopes ftw!?
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The ZH-29 is honestly a better sniper rifle than any bolt action. Why even bother going for headshots. And it's not even an issue if the enemy immediately uses their bandages since you don't need to spend 3/4 of a second chambering another round just to follow up your shot. Even if they're taking advantage of the absurdly fast strafe speed in the game to dodge your shots (as is all so common when trying to line up a headshot with a bolt action), it won't matter because you've got 5 rounds which you can fire in the time it takes you to fire 2 rounds with a bolt action.
    So use the ZH-29...?

    I think you're playing recon wrong if you're worried about someone strafe dodging your shots and healing.

    The primary purpose of recon is stealth. If you want to charge into battle pick a different class.

    If you want to run around 1 shotting with a bolt action, or 1 shot with rifle then spray secondary maybe battlefield isn't the game for you.

    Battlefield is class based, this means that various classes have different strengths and weaknesses.

    Recon's primary strength is the ability to find enemies with the spot flare, and kill them in 1 shot to the head from any range; no other class can do that.

    but but assault can do this, support can do that but but but... NOOOOO! You're doing it wrong.

    High damage in 1 shot to the body at any range is not difficult or balanced no matter how you try to spin it.

    Maybe COD is the game for you? 360 no scopes ftw!?

    Stealth lol... that must be why glint is like a miniature sun every time you ADS.

    And the flare is absolute garbage by the way. It's been nerfed to irrelevance.

    And yeah, assault and support can literally snipe in this game.

    Recon's role is to get chewed up by assault and support while taking out a few stationary targets here and there.

    And I never said I wanted to run around and one shot everyone. Following up your rifle shot with your secondary for the kill has been a staple in BF for a while now.

    Much higher damage with bolt actions has also been what every previous BF included. BF4 even had a close ranged one hit kill to the chest as well on every bolt action in the game.

    BFV has the lowest bolt action damage of any BF game, the most bullet drop, and the slowest bullets at longer ranges. So don't give me that "this is Battlefield" nonsense.
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