Yugoslav Partisans

Adamantum_P
8 postsMember Member
How about some eastern Europe stuff that isn't mainstream such as the Red Army?


Numbers of Yugoslav Partisans ranged from 80,000 in 1941, through 300,000 in 1943, up to 650,000 in late 1944, and 800,000 in May 1945.
Yugoslavia was the only country in Eastern Europe beside Greece that did not fall under Soviet control, as it managed to liberate itself.


The first armed uprising against Axis occupied Europe was in Montenegro (then Yugoslavia) on 13th July, when more than 32,000 people took up arms against Italian occupation.
5000 dead, wounded and captured Italians in 2 weeks. Uprising was suppressed in August by new Italian troops hauled in from Albania.


There is a shitload of noteworthy events in WW2 nobody ever cared to address. We get Omaha beach and Stalingrad over and over again.
Why not change that?


As you seem keen on including women in combat, why not do it in an environment where it actually happened in considerable numbers instead of placing them on the western front where it was an oddity at best?


Women made up almost 10% of Yugoslav Partisans.
In some units such as 4th Proletarian Montenegrin Strike Brigade they made up about 15%. Not medics and logistics, but actual fighters.
100,000 women were a part of Yugoslav Partisans. 25,000 were killed and another 40,000 wounded.

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  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
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  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
    Actual WW2 footage of Yugoslav Partisans in Drvar, Yugoslavia


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stana_Tomašević
  • hawkseye17
    577 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Thing is, that usually what people like to see are the big grand battles of WWII. The Battle of Stalingrad was probably one of the most important battles of WWII, if not THE most important battle of WWII.
  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
    edited September 2018
    I get that.

    But considering that DICE aimed to delve into the stories less known with BF1, they might try something similar with Battlefield 5, at least as an expansion or a DLC.
    Yugoslav Partisans would be a fine addition in such regard.
    Anyways, here's some trivia:

    Partisans had their own men join Royal Air Force.
    Even tough they were formally part of RAF they had their own oaths, their planes were painted with red stars, and flew exclusively over Yugoslavia.
    Two squadrons were trained in Lybia in the spring of 1944. Squadron formed in April was given Spitfire Mk V and the one formed in July was given Hawker Hurricane Mk II.
    After their training was complete they moved to allied controlled Italy from where they conducted air support and incursions over Yugoslavia.
    In May 1945 they were officially disbanded from RAF and joined Yugoslav Air Force.

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    No. 352 Squadron RAF

    Partisans also made make-shift airports throughout Yugoslavia which they used to receive allied aid and representatives to partisan command, and evacuate the wounded to allied controlled Italy.
    In 1944, wounded partisans were recovering and training in Italy before being sent back to Yugoslavia.
    WW2 Footage:


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  • von_Campenstein
    6513 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Pitch a large pitched battle the partisans fought in and maybe on the tail end of the game in a DLC?
  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
    edited September 2018
    What do you mean by large?
    If tens of thousands soldiers is large enough, they fought dozens of such battles.

    Battle of Neretva (German: Operation Case White) in the winter of 1943 involved 20,000 Partisans and over 100,000 Axis and collaborator troops that tried to encircle and destroy them.

    Battle of Sutjeska (Operation Case Shwartz) in late spring of 1943 involved about 22,000 Partisans and 120,000 German and fascist collaborator troops. Partisans managed to break out of encirclement but suffered 8000 dead, a third of the main operational group.
    Germans also rounded up and shot over 500 civilians in the area.
    A report received by the Partisan command from the 2nd Dalmatian Strike Brigade during the most dire moments of the battle remained legendary in Yugoslavia:
    "Germans are advancing with ever growing forces and more persistence.
    We have lost two thirds of our men, but count on us as if we are in full strength."
    Another report to the partisan command from the 3rd battalion of 4th Proletarian Montenegrin Strike Brigade given during the battle:
    "As long as you hear the shooting of our rifles coming from Ljubin grob, Germans shall not pass. When it stops, know that we are all dead."

    Belgrade was liberated by combined Soviet, Bulgarian and Yugoslav forces in October 1944.
    Allied side involved about 550,000 men while the Germans had 150,000 during the Belgrade offensive operation.
    As for the city itself, it was defended by 20,000 Germans while 25,000 Soviets and 40,000 Partisans were the attackers.
    WW2 Footage during the liberation of Belgrade:
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  • virtualkill1432
    568 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    They dont care about truth, all that you show is amazing thing, and i m sure they know that, but thing here is that they are payed to push their version of truth, its not that black and white...in a lot of games not just here you can see a lot of pictures of two guys and kid, that particular one was in deus ex last game, on facebook you have emoji with two guys kissing or two women kissing too, and many other things in many other games and apps and internet ...this was just an example how unnecessary things are thrown at us in everyday life, but people stopped to pay attention i guess..

    Point is, they know everything, but they choose things that they need to push..things that are chosen before they alone knew for new bf game..they have no control over that..its so obvious, but people doesn't seem to realize that..and guy that wrote those things on twitter about his daughter, do you really think that he would wrote such a narrow minded thing? a developer? that works with such complicated cods? i dont think so..Its all about pushing certain agenda and testing people patience..and they are well payed for that..














  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
    edited September 2018
    Yugoslav Partisans during WW2 - map


    Partisan propaganda posters
  • KPbIC0JIOB
    7 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    As a Russian I would absolutely love to play Yugoslav campaign
  • Bl4kP4nt3r
    1 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    Yes, you are completely right, I am the same opinion as you but DICE will again take some **** like Norway, France, Italy, Holand and and those countries that have been to 1 milion times we have already seen us in several games so full It would be boring, Had really Yugoslavia as Partizans seen in Battlefield 5th say the fact that Yugoslavia and faith Greac from their own strength and courage had liberated from the **** and Yugoslavia to Russia and Poland has the most sacrifices in WW2, that is true as well that 10-15% of the women among soldiers as fighters were in WW2, so perfect scenario actually for BF5 but no they take back Norway and **** countries where the Armis helped those to free their land, I think There was no country in WW2 like Yugoslavia and Russia that sacrificed so much for freedom that they freed their land from their own Hands,to the time Yugoslavia also fought among themselves with the Serbian perpetrators CETNIKS and Croatian veraten USTASAS who joined the **** to make their respective countries too big croatia and big serbia simple **** **** deno Tito made an end with Partizans and the **** The demise of Yugoslavia Partizans in several fronts against Germans, Italians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Cetnick, ustasas, Albanian **** (Skenderbegu unit) the Partizans destroyed them all and went on to win in WW2, Perfect scenario for a game like WW2 and Battlefield Hope the DICE that makes it super cool for every player to tell a new story, the children were also in war to their home to defend there were also many children who had no parents because they died in the war and the Partizans have children I mean now 10-17 years old that was also very much in Yugoslavia in WW2 telling a story of those who are going under the skin with women and children who were forced to fight to defend their homeland against the **** regime, that would be BATTLEFIELD 5 and no this **** again France, Spain, England, Nederlands, Norway, Americans already again, Russians ohhh you no longer want to see boring.I hope DICE is doing the Yugoslav Partisan on this Game,we will see.
  • orangebionic
    232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Its all true, I rememeber that from history lessons... but havent you noticed that dice is heavily biased against anything eastern europe/slavonic about their ww2 game??
    According to them war started in western europe in 1940, ffs, apparently september campaign in Poland which took longer than whole fight Denmark, Netherlands and France put up combined isnt even worth mentioning.

    I doubt brave resistance soldiers from Yugoslavia, Poland or Czech republic even find place within the game, despite first two countries mounting uprising against ****, on contrary to French who did barely anything, yet they being mentioned all the time.

    I bet if you guys even get a map within tides of war it will be again Brits fighting Germans just in the balkanian backdrop.
    But let have our voices heard, we shouldnt let stories and fight of our people to be swept under carpet and forgotten.
  • VincentNZ
    2212 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I do not think we will see any minor factions, it seems we might not even get the Italian Army. I would say Partisans are also highly unlikely, as are all other paramilitary units. They could be considered unlawful combatants and therefore would not necessarily fall under Geneva Rules. I think this is a reason to not include them.

    And of course when people think about WWII they have a certain vision in mind, and Yugoslavia usually does not make the cut. Greece and Norway are bold moves, but are still important and known battles that both include the British Army. So that is probably the biggest argument. No need to add the greek Army or Norwegian resistance and model these textures and add their weaponry.
  • I agree
    The partisans were valiant fighters throughout the WW2, and they played an often important role both in combat and as simple information to the allies ... and it was precisely Radio London to send information to the partisans in the occupied territories to coordinate the actions of these according to the maneuvers of the allies.
    To understand the degree of interaction between the Yugoslav partisans and the allies, look only for the story of the general "Fitzroy Maclean" that Churchill's request was parachuted into Tito's headquarters to act as a permanent and formal link with the partisans, and follow the thread historical of the story.
    In the end they were a sort of parallel, local army, ready in the area.
    And on the fact of the "officiality" of this army, look for the "Teheran Conference", where the partisans received official recognition as a legitimate force of national liberation by the allies.
    All written history.

    I finish by quoting a statement by Winston Churchill from the book "Tito, Mihailović, and the Allies" of the "Duke University Press, 1987" (p. 165):
    "It was a lamentable fact that virtually no supplies had been conveyed by sea to the 222,000 followers of Tito. ... These stalwarts were holding as many Germans in Yugoslavia as the combined Anglo-American forces were holding in Italy south of Rome. The Germans had been thrown into some confusion after the collapse of Italy and the Patriots had gained control of large stretches of the coast. We had not, however, seized the opportunity. The Germans had recovered and were driving the Partisans out bit by bit. The main reason for this was the artificial line of responsibility which ran through the Balkans. (... ) Considering that the Partisans had given us such a generous measure of assistance at almost no cost to ourselves, it was of high importance to ensure that their resistance was maintained and not allowed to flag."
  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
    Josip Broz Tito, commander of the Yugoslav Partisans, was the only allied leader to be wounded in battle.

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    F.W. Deakin, was one of the British officers with the Mission to the Yugoslav Partisans. This is his recounting of the event that happened on June 9th 1943 during the Battle of Sutjeska:
    "The enemy planes, a motley circus of Dorniers, Henschels, Stukas, and weird flying machines, caught us at dawn in the glades of birch trees just below the summit of Ozren.

    In low continuous sweeps along the Sutjeska valley they sought to close the crossing to the second group ofthe Yugoslav force now trapped between the Piva and the river line just behind us.

    But the aircraft had also spotted and identied our concentration of figures among the trees on the crests of the surrounding hills to the west of the German strongpoint at the village of Tjentiste.

    A sinister game was imposed upon those of us caught on the heights. The planes, in low dives, criss-crossed the wood in straight patterns, leaving in each run a neat path of bombs and, at times, the smaller fry tossing grenades from their cockpits.

    One could only dodge among the birch trees, seeking cover in an instinctive variety of postures: now rigid against a tree trunk; now crouched among the shattered branches.

    On such a bombing run, a group of us was cornered. I had just time to shout to Stuart: ‘Take cover; they are using explosive bullets.” As the explosions darted through the trees, we scattered in the tight space around us: Bill Stuart and a group of officers in one direction; Tito, the commander of his Escort Battalion, and myself in another.

    The remaining members of the British mission and the Yugoslav Staff dispersed amid the trees. As the last bomb of one stick blew up a few feet from us, Tito, several of his men, and myself found ourselves heaped in a shallow depression in the ground. We pulled ourselves out and sought fresh cover from the following wave, but we were not unscathed.

    One of the commanders of the Escort Battalion and several of his men lay dead; Tito, wounded by a bomb splinter in the shoulder, lay under the body of his Alsatian dog, who had thrown himself across his master at the second of the explosion; and I hobbled out, my left boot blown away, and limping with a slight leg wound."


    Tito found the dog that saved his life in the town of Prozor, back in July 15th 1942, two days after the town was liberated from Italians.
    Tito named the dog Lux.
    Lux never left his side for almost a year, untill it was killed by German planes.
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    After Lux's death Tito got a new German shepherd named Tiger. Two dogs are often mixed up.
  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
    Also, keep in mind that the army of "Free France" under Charles de Gaulle numbered 560,000 soldiers in September 1944.
    240,000 of those were actual Frenchmen while the rest were colonial subjects of France.

    At the same time, Yugoslav Partisans numbered about 600,000 soldiers, all of them Yugoslav.
  • Adamantum_P
    8 postsMember Member
    edited November 2018
    zastava128, on Axis history forum compiled a pretty good list of armored vehicles used by Yugoslav Partisans:

    Yugoslav Partisans armor:
    Italian origin:
    L3/33 captured from Italians, later also Croats, first in November 1941 in Montenegro.
    L3/35 captured from Italians, later also Croats, starting in spring 1942 in Croatia. This was, along with the L3/33 by far the most common captured tankette. Over 50 in total were captured after the Italian surrender, but most were lost to the German counter-offensive that came soon after.
    L3/38 unknown origin, photos of this exist dating from October 1944, but there were probably some captured earlier. Rare.
    L3 Lanciafiamme captured from Italians after Italian surrender, possibly earlier in 1943. Rare.
    L6/40 first ones captured after or immediately before Italian surrender, later also from Germans or Croats. I've read 10 were present in Trieste in 1945, so total number was probably between 15 and 20.
    M13/40 one was captured after Italy surrendered, and one or two in 1944. One was present in Trieste in 1945.
    M14/41 I've seen it listed sometimes, but have found no evidence to support this.
    M15/42 first captured after liberation of Belgrade. It seems these tanks were only used for training, except maybe during the last few days of the war. Apparently the Yugoslav army had 12 of these operational after the war.
    Semovente 47/32 a few were captured and used by the First Tank Brigade in Bosnia near the end of 1944, and a few in Belgrade. The latter were used only for training it seems.
    Semovente 75/18 a few were captured during liberation of Belgrade, and more at the very end of the war. Used only for training it seems.
    Autoblinda 41 captured after Italian surrender and later. Probably between 10-20 in all.
    Fiat 665 and Fiat 626 (armoured trucks) as above.
    Autoprotetto As-37 ditto.
    French origin:
    Somua S-35 captured from Germans, first one in October 1941 in Serbia, later also from Croats. Rarest of the French tanks, probably because most bridges could not support its weight. At least one served in 1st Yugoslav tank brigade.
    Renault R-35 captured from Germans, first one in October 1941 in Serbia. Only a few were used.
    Hotchkiss H-35/39 captured from Germans, later also Croats. First one in Serbia in October 1941, but this may have in fact been crewed by Chetniks. First confirmed partisan tank was in February 1943 in Croatia and served with the 1st Partisan tank company.
    Renault UE captured after Knin operation in late 1944. Not sure if armed or not.
    Renault FT-17 it seems one was captured after Italian surrender, but I've found no evidence of its use. More were captured near end of war as part of armoured trains.
    Panhard 178 I've found no details except that they appear in photos of partisan war **** in May 1945.
    German origin:
    Panzerjager 38(t) Hetzer a few were captured from the Germans and used in Croatia in spring 1945.
    StuG III F/G a couple captured after liberation of Belgrade, and more during the last week or two of the war. Seems used for training only.
    PzKpfw I? I've sometimes read about these being captured, but found no evidence, except for a single ammo carrier captured in early 1945.
    PzKpfw II J one was captured by Slovenian partisans in mid-1944, but I've seen no evidence it was used in combat.
    PzKpfw II C unknown number captured in 1945, no evidence of combat use.
    PzKpfw 38 (t) ditto.
    PzKpfw III N (?) ditto
    PzKpfw IV F1/G/H ditto. At least one was present in tank school in Belgrade in March 1945. After the war, Yugoslavia had a total of 25 of these tanks.
    PzKpfw V Panther G There's two undated photos (but clearly from 1945) showing partisans with a Panther in Srijem. No evidence of combat use.
    SdKfz 222 and various other armoured cars. No evidence of combat use. One report mentiones a 222 captured in May 1945.
    Sdkfz 250/251 There's evidence some were captured after the Knin operation in late 1944 and during 1945. It seems some saw combat use, including with the 1st Yugoslav tank brigade. One was converted to carry twin 120mm mortars.
    British, American or Canadian origin
    M3A1/M3A3 Stuart deployed to Yugoslavia in September 1944. Originally there were 59 of them, but it seems a total of 95 or so was supplied for the war (a few seem to have been acquired by "shady" means). Five or six had their turrets replaced with a 7.5cm PaK, two with a Flak Vierling. These were the core of the 1st tank brigade.
    M3A1 White Scout Car two were supplied with the Stuarts, but it seems four more were "acquired" by the partisans. Served in 1st tank brigade.
    AEC mk.II 24 supplied with the Stuarts. No replacements. Served in 1st tank brigade.
    M7 Priest 19 supplied in spring 1945. Mostly served as independent batteries in Slovenia and Croatia, or as part of the Heavy mountain artillery brigade of the 4th Yugoslav Army.
    M8 Scott 9 supplied in spring 1945. Served as part of the Heavy mountain artillery brigade of the 4th Yugoslav Army.
    Ford Canadian Lynx 2 supplied in spring 1945. Served as command vehicles for the M7s.
    Soviet origin (all except T-34/76 acquired in March 1945 and used on Syrmian front):
    T-34/85 65 of them. The core of the 2nd Yugoslav tank brigade.
    BA-64 3 of them. Served with 2nd Yugoslav tank brigade.
    SU-?? I've read about a few Soviet SPGs being used, but found no data to back this up. Seems they were soviet vehicles that supported the partisans.
    T-34/76 5 captured from Germans in April/May 1945 in Slovenia. Saw combat.

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