Sniping In Battlefield V

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  • xx_Dante2k_xx
    638 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    bluto898 wrote: »
    Well said. Play BFBC2. Or BF 1 Sniping on BFBC2 is epic



    BF 1 Snipers :
    - Sweet spot
    - Realistic muzzle speed
    - Can switch to a sidearm to finish the enemy with one hit
    - K-bullets who allow you to engage vehicles. Isn't like BF 4 where a 7,62x51mm vehicle MG can damage even ground attack choppers but a .408 CT can't damage an unarmored vehicle
    (...)

    I only disagree with the realism argument. BF was never an realistic game. Sure, is not like CoD, but compared to Verdun or A3, BF is very arcade. BF have an cinematic experience. I recommend for sniping lovers :
    - BF2
    - BFBC2
    - BF1
    - Heroes & Generals
    - Warrock
    (...)

    But on BF 5, the best sniper on BF V is the STG 44. Kill someone at 250m with STG 44 is easier than with any sniper

    That montage makes me wanna play Bad Company; that game was amazing. A lot of people wanted sniping to be more like Bad company 2 this year but I dont know why they dont just remaster the game and release it again. I would totally buy that over BFV this year. I have never played Verdun or A3 so I don't know how realistic those games can be. I have played Sniper Elite that's about as real of a game i have played in terms of bullet mechanics. I am really just comparing battlefield to call of duty because i have spent a lot of my time on those two franchises and call of duty compared to battlefield is like night and day. Call of duty is unbelievably unrealistic with the corner jumping and quick-scoping from across the map. Battlefield is way way way more realistic than call of duty in terms of gameplay and map design but I know for a fact battlefield isn't close to being actually realistic. I mean the snipers only do 50 enemy damage which is VERY unrealistic.

    That music makes me want to play drums again, it's been to long lol. 🤘

    Does anyone know which bolt action has the fastest re chamber ?
  • phr91
    124 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    stop whining, its fine as it is. in bf1 i've always played the M95, it had no sweet spot. so i always had to hit 2 times or make a headshot. and guess what? i was top5 every cq game. the secret? AIM!
  • Neil_Enbob
    689 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I'm finding the sniping really enjoyable in BFV. I always go for a head shot, reduced damage isn't an issue. It makes counter sniping more skill based.

    I agree about the scope on the Enfield, the thick black line will ruin your accuracy. I'm not sure what the scopes are like on the other snipers, would expect the KAR98K to have a more clean scope, if it's historically accurate.
  • Netc0de
    15 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Kunstula wrote: »
    Netc0de wrote: »
    bluto898 wrote: »
    *NOTICE* If you aren't going read the whole arguement DO NOT COMMENT on it. This is a constructive discussion about sniping in Battlefield V NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR IGNORANT OPINION THAT SNIPERS SHOULD NOT EXIST IN BATTLEFIELD.


    First, off all I have to say is WTF BATTLEFIELD!!?? Who was the moron in charge of sniping mechanics this year? I've read thru a lot of threads of people crying about the sniping in Battlefield 1. My overall impression thru a handful of games (in Battlefield V) using the sniper class is that they just want to get rid of sniping all together. I don't know how they managed to take a step back in terms of scopes but they are all terrible and you can no longer pick your magnification... So we go from WW1 to WW2 and lose weapon tech? Every war is always a battle of the best technology and going from WW1 to WW2 we should see and increase in the weapon tech we can use but that is NOT the case in battlefield's recreation of WW2. This game is suppose to be "historically accurate" and they clearly messed that up this year in terms of gun attachments.

    One of the main problems that I have to stress and I hope the people who make battlefield read this bcuz it is absolutely DESTROYING the game for me and thousands of other people who like to come to battlefield to snipe. The long scope on every gun has a stupid target finder. When you aim, the scope has a thick black outline around whatever cross-hair your scope has. When you are aiming the cross-hairs at someone it reverts to a normal scope but it doesn't work half the time. When it gives you a big outline YOU CAN'T SEE ENOUGH TO PROPERLY AIM THE GUN!!!!!!! You need to have some sort of X-ray vision to see thru the thick black lines blocking out the middle of your scope. I have died a few times just trying to aim at a guy I can not see bcuz there is thick black lines blocking out the person. I am suppose to somehow get a head shot? when I can't even see the guy? much less know where my bullet is going to go. The ZH-1 something(the second sniper you can unlock) has is the worst. The Lee Enfield I can work thru a bit but the second gun has is sooooooo bad it is seriously game breaking. Not to mention that back in WW2 THEY DIDN'T HAVE TARGET FINDING SCOPES!! They just had plain old cross-hairs that would stay the same whether you were aiming at the sky or someones face and that made for easy target acquisition. Now I spend half of my time trying to aim at someone to get the THICK BLACK outline around my cross-hairs to go away. And to make matters worse you are so zoomed into the long scope that you cant even get the full sniper circle in your scope. There are parts that are cut off by the screen and it lessens your field of view. When i first look down my sights I looked for every option I could just to try and zoom out of the scope but I found nothing and I had to deal with my soldier's eyeball being in the actual scope.

    And on top of the crap mentioned above the snipers got a HUGE nerf. Every bolt action sniper from Battlefield 1 did close to 90 damage on every hit to the body; snipers in Battlefield V do around 50 damage per hit to the body. That is a staggering 40 point damage differential. The ZH-1 sniper(a semi auto sniper) I mentioned earlier did around 50 damage per hit to the body; pretty much the exact same as the Lee Enfield bolt action sniper BUT when you hit someone in the face with the Lee Enfield they are 100% dead everytime. If you hit someone in the head with the ZH-1 you get an 88 enemy hit.... no matter what you do you have to hit everyone twice with that sniper and it does the same exact amount of damage to the body as the bolt action rifle... MAKES NO SENSE.

    Everything is also much harder to see thru a scope now. I find myself second guessing whether there is a guy on a hill or in a bush because I just cant see or tell in this game. People will sit on the side of a mountain and they look as tho they are a rock on a hill. People who die also lie on the ground and move in agony and its hard to tell if they are a live person or not. They need to add a game mechanic where you can just end the wait time for a revive by shooting him when they are on the ground. You could probably award points for "putting the enemy down for the count" that's a way to prevent revives and keep enemies at bay. And the range of snipers has gone down drastically. I used to regularly snipe from 300m-500m out in battlefield 1 and I would be taking heads off with ease at that range but now with the longest scope on the Lee Enfield you get barely any magnification and it makes it impossible to try and shoot someone who is really far away.

    With all the main points mentioned above and the many threads I have read thru about people sniping in Battlefield 1 all signs point to Battlefield just straight up trying to get rid of sniping all together. I have read to many threads about cry babies who complain that they don't know how to hit anyone at range. They can't figure out the bullet drop or how to lead someone and kill them on the run. Or the most pathetic argument I have heard "Snipers are so selfish and never play the objective or help the team out". PLEASE STOP CRYING BECAUSE YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT THE GAME. Snipers by definition are suppose to be far away from their target NOT RIGHT IN THERE FACE. ALL snipers in every battlefield are 2 shots or more kills meaning that a sniper no matter the distance either hits the person in the head or dies bcuz you are never gonna get that second shot off unless you have range or are able to take cover to put a new round in the chamber but that takes a huge amount of time and the person you shot could just rush you or throw a grenade. The ignorant view point that snipers need to be right on the front lines is absolutely crap; in real life legendary snipers like Chris Kyle take shots regularly from half a mile out IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT where buildings are constantly blocking your line of sight. In WW1 it was all WIDE OPEN fields with trenches and between those trenches were DEAD ZONES where if you were caught in one you were VERY likely to be shot and killed by a sniper, LMG gunner, or Infantry soldier with a rifle. There is a VERY VERY good reason some people only snipe in Battlefield 1 and that is THE MAPS! The maps pushed people into sniping bcuz you could see straight across the entire map with a little bit on elevation. EVERY SINGLE MAP IN BATTLEFIELD 1 WAS LIKE THAT. Especially in operations. Every sniper in the game had its own bullet mechanics; you truly had to KNOW YOUR RIFLE. Constantly switching from sniper to sniper is going to make you miss constantly bcuz of different bullet drop and muzzle velocities. You had to practice with the sniper and get use to it before you could be taking off heads with ease. There were many times in Battlefield 1 where I could not miss at any range; I was taking peoples heads off as they were running; you just get in a groove sometimes and it has to do with how well you know the sniper in your hands. That was a great game mechanic Battlefield included and I applaud them for it but there isn't much of that in Battlefield V because the scope isn't good enough to even be at a range where you could test bullet drop. And the misconception that snipers don't help or play the objective is very very wrong. Snipers fight other snipers which in turn prevents them from shooting at infantry soldiers trying to plant a bomb or capture a flag. I have shot thousands of people on objectives from range and I also have saved teamates lives thousands of times as well. As a sniper I look for enemies who have taken hits from someone on my team bcuz 1 shot to the body kills them. I have teamed up on people to kill them in a split second and the soldier who is in the heat of the battle can move onto a new target faster bcuz one of us got the kill and the other got assit to kill. He had to fire less bullets to kill him and I didn't have to shoot him in the head or hit him twice in the body. Snipers have a huge effect on where people choose to run and people who want to sit behind cover and rip off shots all day. Snipers sole purpose is to keep enemies at bay by taking out other snipers shooting at infantry, guys with only their head sticking out and spraying into a crowd with machine guns and people thinking they are safe sitting behind something planting or capturing an objective. Anytime you slow down or stop as a infantry soldier you best expect your head to get taken off bcuz as a sniper you shoot the easy shot first and work your way on from there. If someone is laying down on the ground with a bipod and there is a guy moving around on top of that guy I am gonna shoot the guy laying down every time bcuz it is a free kill with little effort put in.

    The main point is that Battlefield is trying to nerf sniping bcuz of unskilled players that don't know how to snipe or not get sniped in the face themselves. DON'T TAKE A STEP BACKWARDS BATTLEFIELD. Sniping in Battlefield 1 was flawless except for the invisible barriers that are seemingly everywhere. As I have said before don't complain about sniping when all the maps in the game are perfectly made for it. That will 100% change in Battlefield V bcuz we will be fighting in more rural areas instead of an open field. There is going to be so many structures blocking my line of sight and it is going to force me to move around or move closer to the objective. But now we have a laundry list of problems that shouldn't be there that are preventing me from using my sniper rifle properly. The problem last game with sniping was simply the maps; they forced you to use a longer range gun bcuz the shotguns and sub machine guns we useless at any range longer than 50m. This year it seems Battlefield took a page out of Call Of Duty's book and catered to the crap players in the player base; nerfing stuff that never need to be nerfed in the first place. The player base has got to do a better job at identifying the real problem on our hands instead of saying outright that sniping need to go away. The maps were the problem; not the gun or the people using the gun. And if you want snipers to be up close and personal you are going to have to take another page out of call of duty's book and make the 1 shot kills so snipers can go around quick scoping people.. PICK YOUR POISON PEOPLE cuz if you keep complaining we are just gonna have a bunch of snipers with useless scopes that need to be up close and personal to get a kill and the only way that can happen is to make bolt action snipers one shot kills which is Call Of Duty. Do you wanna run into nothing but quickscopers? or do you wanna have the snipers in the back of the map trying to take heads off at far ranges like they do in real life? Also in real life snipers are a 1 shot kill. the caliber of every sniper packs way more of a punch than an assault rifle caliber. Truthfully every time someone gets hit with a .50 caliber you should see ginormous holes in people's chest where their heart use to be. If you get hit in the arm with a .50 caliber it is most likely to separate from your body and go flying. A 22. caliber(which is the smallest caliber) can kill a person in one shot to the heart, lungs, head, liver, the neck or the spinal cord. Every caliber in battlefield is bigger than that and they are guaranteed to kill you with one shot to any of your major organs which are located all over you body from waist line to the top of your head.

    GET REAL BATTLEFIELD.

    I WILL NOT BE BUYING BATTLEFIELD V TILL THEY FIX THE GARBAGE THEY PUT IN THE GAME. MASSIVELY DISAPPOINTED THIS YEAR. I have waited for a long time for this game and now I could care less about its release. They took away what made battlefield, battlefield: realistic warfare. I'm not saying it needs to be perfectly realistic but this year THEY TOOK A STEP BACKWARDS and are starting to look more like Call of Duty and I HATE Call of Duty. Battlefield 3 is still the best shooting game I have ever played bcuz all the classes were well balanced and the maps were well balanced as well. Operation firestorm is the perfect example of a perfectly balanced map; Snipers had the mountains and close range shoot outs littered the strip of buildings on the map; planes and helicopters had places to go to avoid lock on missiles and to lose people in a dog fight. Battlefield 1 had nothing but gentle hills in an open field with NO BUILDINGS which left everyone defenseless to planes and snipers. Battlefield V is bound to have better maps bcuz you can't get any worse than the maps in BF1.

    PLEASE,
    GET REAL BATTLEFIELD
    STICK TO YOUR ROOTS!

    Snipers are OP in BFV.

    With suppression gone, and the fact that there is no mechanic to reward a player for headshotting a sniper, snipers are fearless bullet sponges at long range.

    You complain about snipers doing close to 90 damage in BF1 - why the hell should your rifle do 90 damage when my MMG firing a nearly identical round does less damage in 2 headshots than your rifle does in a single body shot?

    You guys come into this game and whine that sniping isnt easy because you see all these pro's sniping and you want to be like them. Guess what, being good at a game, just like sniping in real life, take a lot of practice and in the RL component a BUTTLOAD of training.

    Snipers SHOULD be the most difficult class to play effectively.

    As it stands snipers are a joke in BFV because they are guaranteed a win at medium range if they can aim. I dont want to see suppression return, but as it stands snipers are the only weapon in the game that is rewarded appropriately for getting a headshot.

    Headshots if not lethal should at the VERY least knock the sniper out of ADS, or make it impossible to ads for 1 second.

    Its an absolute joke that a sniper can walk out and take 2 MG34 rounds to the face and instantly return a OHK to a machine gunner who cant move and fire at the same time, and isnt even given long range optics for his long range weapon.

    In other words, you're asking for some realism, but only when it works to your advantage against snipers. Lol what a joke.
    I don't see you arguing for soldiers walking slower when hit in the legs by a sniper, that says a lot about how biased you are.
    LMG's have high RPM and magazine count, if they did the same damage as sniper rifles then they would be extremely OP.
    That headshot idea is horrible, taking away control from the player during firefights is one of the dumbest things you could possibly do in a fps game.

    I got news for you guy - no one wants a mechanic that makes it where their 5 shot sniper rifle can slow someone down by wasting a bullet on the leg.

    I dont see how you can possibly think its fair that sniper headshots are always 1 shot kill yet they dont even flinch as multiple bullets hit them in their unshielded face from other weapons.
  • CPKs_Arachnid
    97 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Snipers are nerfed in BFV?

    Legit just sold be the game. Good riddance
  • Hawxxeye
    7757 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Snipers are nerfed in BFV?

    Legit just sold be the game. Good riddance
    Unfortunately they forgot to remove the class completely and replace it with something that is useful instead of just annoying...
  • ISyndromeI
    149 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018

    Complaining about bolt action rifles being viable on a WW1 game. Only on battlefield i hoppe that DICE remaster BFBC2. I can play but unfortunately console players can't play this game. But since BFBC2 is an old game, you don't need an amazing high end PC to play it. Even my potato notebook can run it.

    Huh? Bad Company 2 is available on consoles.

    Bad Company was mainly a console series. Bad Company 1 was a console only release.
  • sniper99919
    1 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    you cant complain that snipers only do 50 for body shots when all lmgs only do 37 for head shots its idiotic
  • Kunstula
    473 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Netc0de wrote: »
    I got news for you guy - no one wants a mechanic that makes it where their 5 shot sniper rifle can slow someone down by wasting a bullet on the leg.

    I dont see how you can possibly think its fair that sniper headshots are always 1 shot kill yet they dont even flinch as multiple bullets hit them in their unshielded face from other weapons.
    So you do want realism, but only when it suits your preferred playing style and you think that's fair?
    You're forgetting that all non-sniper weapons have gotten sniper level accuracy, that's a major change that can't be ignored in sniper vs other weapon class discussions. If you can't kill a sniper in time before he shoots you, then you were either too slow, engaging from too far away or from a bad position. Either move closer, flank or improve your accuracy.


  • StanBradu
    2 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    edited November 2018
    Guys, how to unlock RSC on recon? It says that you can unlock it on 16 lvl recon but I have 18 and the rifle locked.
  • GuangFuZhongGuo
    410 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    Only "people who like to come to battlefield to snipe" want crappy one shot kill. BFV is not yours anymore, it seems. How about finding other game with one-shot kill mechanic, such as CSGO.

    Both DICE and players other than snipers would really appreciate it.
  • szadnik
    20 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Everyone who snipes wanting realism with one shot kills pretty much to any area of the body, fine. To get this REALISM though, bullet drag, drop, and drift will need to be added. Then it would be REALISTIC.
  • Kunstula
    473 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    phr91 wrote: »
    stop whining, its fine as it is. in bf1 i've always played the M95, it had no sweet spot. so i always had to hit 2 times or make a headshot. and guess what? i was top5 every cq game. the secret? AIM!

    So did I, but you're ignoring the fact the the Gewehr M.95 from BF1 started with 90 damage and slowly dropped to a minimum of 79 over a distance of 120 meters, while the M.95 from BF5 has a max damage that is far lower than even the minimum damage of BF1's Gewehr .95. Now put that in context with other class weapons that did not get such a ridiculously strong damage nerf.
    Yes, 50 damage and 90 damage on body hits are both 2HK's, but to say that it makes no difference is idiotic. It makes a lot of difference when you're trying to snipe and others take the kill or you do it yourself with a sidearm. With 50 damage you have to deal more sidearm follow up hits which greatly increases the chance that you get killed yourself and you'll also get less points if someone else takes the kill because you did not deal that much damage.
  • Snookray
    16 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    landing shots on moving people seems to be nearly impossible for me, combination of player movement and slower ads makes it frustrating, never had a problem in bf1 it felt a lot more fluid.
  • Von_Panzer
    17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    My main gripe with the sniper class is the lack of range.

    I wanna do 1200 meter ++ snipes, not 300 meter snipes.
  • tactical_murk
    1 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Member
    Honestly assualt classes are absolutely destroying most snipers out there, I have yet to see a match where a sniper has gotten into the top 3 in points or kills. The m1 and other assault guns are so versatile at most ranges that they can pretty much outplay someone that misses their shots at all. It pretty much means you have to play at extreme range or play flawlessly.
  • jscix
    3 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Right now playing as a sniper is literally gimping yourself, I play as a sniper because it's what I enjoy, but in BFV it's extremely annoying. First scope glare should not look like a 10,000watt LED Flashlight being shone at midnight in the middle of nowhere.. Also, the scouting lens shouldn't have lens flare at all considering you can't even attack with it.

    Then there's the fact that almost every weapon in the game is almost equally capable of pulling off the same shots, and the same ranges as sniper rifles, except they can do it full auto. It really isn't difficult to shoot people at 200-300 yards with a non-scoped assault rifle. On the contrary, if you happen to miss a shot, not only will they see the giant laser beam lighting you up like a spotlight, but they can get off at least 8-10 rounds in the time it takes you to reload a bolt action.

    It's not that I'm not for balance, but this isn't balanced.. this is literally doing everything possible to make snipers lives harder. I'd actually be all for adding realistic bullet drop, etc given they get rid of the lens flare, fix the bad scope lines(at least make them semi-transparent..)

    I don't think body shots should be 1 hit kills, but they should do at least 80-90dmg. Getting hit in the lungs/neck/stomach by a sniper rifle shouldn't be something you shrug off while continuing to sprint along like nothing happened.
  • obergij
    1 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    I loved sniping in BF1. Mainly its all I did.. I generally played hardcore using the carbine and a low-mag scope. It wasn't uncommon to finish rounds with a 30/5 KDR. So it sounds like if I enjoyed that in BF1 its unlikely I'll like the sniping in BF5?
  • una322
    121 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2018
    snipers are so bad now its abit of a joke. The first thing that comes to mind is the scope glare, its crazy. you can spot it a mile off. Then you have assault with bolt action dmrs that have decent scopes that have no glare what so ever, who can camp in a bush with no drawbacks at all and often out sniper snipers. Snipers have such little usefulness its rather sad. Give them dmrs as well, maybe some c4, improve flares radius, just reduce the time they last or something. Give them more options for gameplay. lets not forget that everyone has a health kit now so often it can take 3-4 shots to kill at extreme range if at all if you miss that first head shot. then on top of that you do soo little dmg, if the target your shooting does die from a friendly you dont even get assist counts as kill lol.
  • creepNpeep
    773 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    They should start by removing scope glint on the redon’s x3 scope.
    That’ll be a step in the right direction at least.
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