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RodDiamant
8 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
edited January 11
14/15 games i play daily ,i end up being the leader of the squad.
Im so F R I K I N tired giving orders.I dont understand why players keep passing me when i say "Request order", it CLEARLY means highlight a flag to focus and capture it.It DOESN'T mean i'm asking for leader.Idk if im crazy.Does it have double meaning ? Am i wrong on something ? 

I think is very important to select an objective and mark it but being the protagonist every match is anoying.

Constructive feedbacks,thanks.


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  • Celsi_GER
    363 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 11
    People often do not have tactical thinking. They do not understand the meaning of the squadleader role (if they have it) and even not the meaning of following orders. They are just stupid, sorry to have to say that.

    You just have to watch the game start at Operation Underground: 90% of your team will stop at first flag (A or C) until it is completely taken. Even if ordered otherwise.
    They do have no understanding for taking flag B as fast as possible is vital for victory. The are just stupid.
  • von_Campenstein
    6621 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
  • HuwJarz
    4024 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
    What on earth are you on? Please explain why one should not put the order on the enemy gimme flag? Backcapping is a critical and often used valid tactic. 
  • RodDiamant
    8 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Thanks for answering,sadly i keep getting players and inevitably 90% of the matches im the leader ...........................

    They dont want to have leadership.I think i have done sufficient flag marks,is time to follow up and relax.Is that hard to mark an objective? Why always me man .......................... god damn.

    Honestly,i see 1/10 players who actively use request order feature,is useful but is useless since so many brainless new players nowadays because of dice's product sales and should be removed.

    btw,i play only on conquest (so boring and standarized),since operations (best mode ever made) barely i see players idk why,is so fun,you get ton of exp,and match last long like an hour.
  • RodDiamant
    8 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    All BF's are the same.Sadly.Removing that feature might solve it.
  • HuwJarz
    4024 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Try playing with friends in chat. Problem solved. 
  • PackersDK
    790 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    I’m sorry, but you’re not getting a lot of sympathy from me. You want orders to be given, but you’re tired of giving them yourself? I get that your point is you seem to do it all the time, but still...

    If one in my squad spams the Request Order button I either kick him from squad or let him have the Squad Leader spot. Why not? How are other players to know that is not what you want? 

    With all respect and I don’t say this in a confrontational way, but it since other players can’t read your mind, you’ll have to adapt. Quit and rejoin, or quit and find a new squad - then hope the new Squad Leader is up to your standards. 
  • EdwinSpangler
    1819 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    HuwJarz said:
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
    What on earth are you on? Please explain why one should not put the order on the enemy gimme flag? Backcapping is a critical and often used valid tactic. 
    For the good of everything dont engage this guy.. Hell never stop. Just leave it as, he knows everything better than everyone and theres nothing anyone can say otherwise.
  • Ronin9572
    992 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Some ppl don't even realize they are squad leader, i've seen this alot. Than you have the mouth breathers who spam the order request than when they get it don't do anything! I try my best to give out orders to the squad. Sometimes your so focused or in the heat of battle and you just don't have time. Either way I can understand why the OP is frustrated.
  • Switchblade00007
    31 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I think one problem is when noobies start playing the game and join, they are automatically put into a squad, not knowing anything about the online game. I know I was like that and was kicked from being a squad leader not knowing why, or realizing you actually gave commands. I don't understand why you can't join the game as a single player, but instead have to join a squad, or create one and set it for friends only. Yes its a team game and you are on a team and help the team, why you are forced to squad up from the beginning idk. You can promote someone else in your squad instead if you are the leader, I have done that sometimes.
  • KPNuts74
    645 postsMember, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    RodDiamant wrote: »
    14/15 games i play daily ,i end up being the leader of the squad.
    Im so F R I K I N tired giving orders.I dont understand why players keep passing me when i say "Request order", it CLEARLY means highlight a flag to focus and capture it.It DOESN'T mean i'm asking for leader.Idk if im crazy.Does it have double meaning ? Am i wrong on something ? 

    I think is very important to select an objective and mark it but being the protagonist every match is anoying.

    Constructive feedbacks,thanks.

    I’m the opposite - I have to be Squad Leader
  • von_Campenstein
    6621 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    HuwJarz said:
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
    What on earth are you on? Please explain why one should not put the order on the enemy gimme flag? Backcapping is a critical and often used valid tactic. 

    Squadleads putting the order on the gimme flag when noone is in any position to get to it while the team is getting backcapped itself I've rarely if ever seen work, the few times I've made it across I typically end up being there alone, or with members of other squads. If the squad or someone in it is in the vicinity sure but those are not the examples I'm talking about rather leads putting the order on the most remote of objectives to keep the squadlead for the sake of keeping it, the D move. First thing you should do as a squadlead is to look around and see if you actually got anyone following orders, then and only then go for advanced course backcapping. Unless of course you don't mind dying a lot in an uncohesive unit.
  • GerocK-
    653 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    If you Request Order and the Squad Leader doesn't give an order within one minute, the Squad Leader status moves to you automatically. The Squad Leader doesn't transfer it to you manually.
    But I can't remember the last time I joined a squad with an active Squad Leader. Fine for me, because I always want to be Leader. I give actual orders that I think help win the game. I give both attacking and defensive orders, whichever is most needed to win the game.
  • WetFishDB
    2132 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 13
    14/15 games i play daily ,i end up being the leader of the squad.
    Im so F R I K I N tired giving orders.I dont understand why players keep passing me when i say "Request order", it CLEARLY means highlight a flag to focus and capture it.It DOESN'T mean i'm asking for leader.Idk if im crazy.Does it have double meaning ? Am i wrong on something ? 

    I think is very important to select an objective and mark it but being the protagonist every match is anoying.

    Constructive feedbacks,thanks.

    Can’t see if anyone has answered it, but it’s likely that players aren’t passing you the squad lead.  Lots of players simply don’t understand the role of a squad leader, and probably don’t even know you’ve asked for it.  When someone requests orders, if one isn’t given by the existing squad lead within a certain time period then the squad lead is automatically transferred to the person requesting orders.
  • WetFishDB
    2132 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    HuwJarz said:
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
    What on earth are you on? Please explain why one should not put the order on the enemy gimme flag? Backcapping is a critical and often used valid tactic. 

    Squadleads putting the order on the gimme flag when noone is in any position to get to it while the team is getting backcapped itself I've rarely if ever seen work, the few times I've made it across I typically end up being there alone, or with members of other squads. If the squad or someone in it is in the vicinity sure but those are not the examples I'm talking about rather leads putting the order on the most remote of objectives to keep the squadlead for the sake of keeping it, the D move. First thing you should do as a squadlead is to look around and see if you actually got anyone following orders, then and only then go for advanced course backcapping. Unless of course you don't mind dying a lot in an uncohesive unit.
    It’s actually a very effective tactic.  Many a game are won by back capping and allowing the less experienced players to have an alternative spawn point rather than them trying to go head on against a superior force.  Maintaining flag majority is, after all, a significant part of winning a round of Conquest.  It’s what Huw and I have done over thousands of Conquest games, winning well over 70% of them, many as best squad and with someone in our squad normally as MVP too - sometimes with the remaining best 4 squads being on the enemy team.  And whilst admittedly we do play as a platoon often (normally with 2-5 players in a game), lots of us play regularly on our own during the day too - and the same tactics are often essential to influence the win - just much harder to execute successfully.

    As for your hypothesis of players marking a far off flag purely for the purpose of keeping it.  What’s the point?  They won’t get any points for capturing it if they don’t actually capture it, or the extra points for the flags they actually are capturing.  I admit some players don’t know what they are doing, but that’s on a whole new level.  Are you sure it’s not a squad lead who knows that the flag marked is a strategic advantage, and you are perhaps the player ignoring the squad orders. 
  • -Antares65z
    1684 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 13
    HuwJarz said:
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
    What on earth are you on? Please explain why one should not put the order on the enemy gimme flag? Backcapping is a critical and often used valid tactic. 
    It can be an effective tactic with the right players on the server to counter it. But unfortunately that isn't usually the case. Backcapping is one of the best ways to quickly introduce imbalance in the round.  
  • von_Campenstein
    6621 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    WetFishDB said:
    HuwJarz said:
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
    What on earth are you on? Please explain why one should not put the order on the enemy gimme flag? Backcapping is a critical and often used valid tactic. 

    Squadleads putting the order on the gimme flag when noone is in any position to get to it while the team is getting backcapped itself I've rarely if ever seen work, the few times I've made it across I typically end up being there alone, or with members of other squads. If the squad or someone in it is in the vicinity sure but those are not the examples I'm talking about rather leads putting the order on the most remote of objectives to keep the squadlead for the sake of keeping it, the D move. First thing you should do as a squadlead is to look around and see if you actually got anyone following orders, then and only then go for advanced course backcapping. Unless of course you don't mind dying a lot in an uncohesive unit.
    It’s actually a very effective tactic.  Many a game are won by back capping and allowing the less experienced players to have an alternative spawn point rather than them trying to go head on against a superior force.  Maintaining flag majority is, after all, a significant part of winning a round of Conquest.  It’s what Huw and I have done over thousands of Conquest games, winning well over 70% of them, many as best squad and with someone in our squad normally as MVP too - sometimes with the remaining best 4 squads being on the enemy team.  And whilst admittedly we do play as a platoon often (normally with 2-5 players in a game), lots of us play regularly on our own during the day too - and the same tactics are often essential to influence the win - just much harder to execute successfully.

    As for your hypothesis of players marking a far off flag purely for the purpose of keeping it.  What’s the point?  They won’t get any points for capturing it if they don’t actually capture it, or the extra points for the flags they actually are capturing.  I admit some players don’t know what they are doing, but that’s on a whole new level.  Are you sure it’s not a squad lead who knows that the flag marked is a strategic advantage, and you are perhaps the player ignoring the squad orders. 

    Nah, I tend to be object adjacent in an elevated position spotting and killing people counterattacking the objective, it doesn't net me very many points compared to sitting on the flag but I'm there. If I can't get there I'm sure to fire my flares onto the objective. I understand that you and HuwJarz go for backcapping a lot, I would too if I ran with a known group of people but going with randoms I opt for baby steps and what works most the time. I also don't see the point of marking the gimme flag and then not moving on it even yourself but that's what I've seen a lot of especially lately.
  • RodDiamant
    8 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 16
    GerocK- said:
    If you Request Order and the Squad Leader doesn't give an order within one minute, the Squad Leader status moves to you automatically. The Squad Leader doesn't transfer it to you manually.
    But I can't remember the last time I joined a squad with an active Squad Leader. Fine for me, because I always want to be Leader. I give actual orders that I think help win the game. I give both attacking and defensive orders, whichever is most needed to win the game.
    Thanks everyone,before reading your reply i did some research and squad leader transfers automatically,according to EA publishing on BF5,so other BF's should be the same.I always though this was manual.Didn't know,it has this function.It's very tricky for new/casual/normal players.Well,since mayority of players dont know or just forget to remark flags,i just decided to accept it and move on.I dont have any option than improving on my leadership since i dont wanna quit simply because an order.I love battlefield :)

    Now i understand it wasnt intentional.I personally dont mind if they spam request order when no obj is marked.It helps me wake up.Then if flag is already marked and spam comes on i tell him to chill out.


    Post edited by RodDiamant on
  • HuwJarz
    4024 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    HuwJarz said:
    Just take the lead, put down defend middle flag, it's rarely a bad idea, don't be the **** who put the orders on the enemy gimme flag just to send anyone PTFOing to their deaths needlessly. Also make an example of the inactive former squadlead and kick him.
    What on earth are you on? Please explain why one should not put the order on the enemy gimme flag? Backcapping is a critical and often used valid tactic. 
    It can be an effective tactic with the right players on the server to counter it. But unfortunately that isn't usually the case. Backcapping is one of the best ways to quickly introduce imbalance in the round.  
    How?
  • WetFishDB
    2132 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    Nah, I tend to be object adjacent in an elevated position spotting and killing people counterattacking the objective, it doesn't net me very many points compared to sitting on the flag but I'm there. If I can't get there I'm sure to fire my flares onto the objective. I understand that you and HuwJarz go for backcapping a lot, I would too if I ran with a known group of people but going with randoms I opt for baby steps and what works most the time. I also don't see the point of marking the gimme flag and then not moving on it even yourself but that's what I've seen a lot of especially lately.

    It works when playing on your own too... assuming a player in question is capable of being in the thick of the action and coming out on top a reasonable amount of the time. I won 7/0 in a session on Conquest yesterday afternoon with no one else in the party - and a number of times capping back flags was essential, and hugely influential in the game.

    I was also stupidly trying to get vehicle damage with a repair tool as I spotted I’d had a specialisation that I hadn’t unlocked for Support. Jeez that was not fun. Well, other than when a well known bunch of flyboys joined and I kept repairing the AA and taking them down so they left... lol

    It can be frustrating working with randoms for sure, but I’d still rather try and win games than protect a KD.

    As for people marking and not moving... who knows.
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