The New Patch Destroyed Air Game play

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  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    ElliotLH wrote: »
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    interesting. I'm sure most don't realize this yet as they haven't leveled it up yet. I'm not a bomber/attack plane guy though, love dogfighting too much. The strength of the AA right now leaves me no choice but to use rockets. For me they are quite easy to use and effective, and I think the damage level is right, (I do 52 damage on a churchill with the G6 now with landing both rockets). With that said I think the game played better when the bombs were the more effective package but you didn't have the 3rd person rings to help you aim. It rewarded skill and experience, and it really separated the men from the boys. You can have powerful bombs all you want but if you can't get them on target you might as well be dropping basketballs. The 3rd person rings just ruined bombing in this game, made it too casual.  I remember saying to myself when they added the rings "now every noob pilot can do what I do, great, here come the nerfs."

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings

    Before they added the ring to the fighters I just used the dot. Worked pretty well when I got the hang of it. That was just in third person view though so I can see it being much, much harder in first person.

    The dot can be tricky it works on low bombing only u can bomb when u r up high
  • Terminator000001
    1001 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    interesting. I'm sure most don't realize this yet as they haven't leveled it up yet. I'm not a bomber/attack plane guy though, love dogfighting too much. The strength of the AA right now leaves me no choice but to use rockets. For me they are quite easy to use and effective, and I think the damage level is right, (I do 52 damage on a churchill with the G6 now with landing both rockets). With that said I think the game played better when the bombs were the more effective package but you didn't have the 3rd person rings to help you aim. It rewarded skill and experience, and it really separated the men from the boys. You can have powerful bombs all you want but if you can't get them on target you might as well be dropping basketballs. The 3rd person rings just ruined bombing in this game, made it too casual.  I remember saying to myself when they added the rings "now every noob pilot can do what I do, great, here come the nerfs."

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings

    Before the rings were added and I had 2x 250lb bombs on the Spitfire VA equipped, I just simply guessed. Over the time I got a feeling for that and could drop them pretty accurate. On tanks, on infantry, on stationary targets like sAA, etc. Ofcourse I had to go very low for that to drop them like this. But this was the price I was willing to pay.
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    interesting. I'm sure most don't realize this yet as they haven't leveled it up yet. I'm not a bomber/attack plane guy though, love dogfighting too much. The strength of the AA right now leaves me no choice but to use rockets. For me they are quite easy to use and effective, and I think the damage level is right, (I do 52 damage on a churchill with the G6 now with landing both rockets). With that said I think the game played better when the bombs were the more effective package but you didn't have the 3rd person rings to help you aim. It rewarded skill and experience, and it really separated the men from the boys. You can have powerful bombs all you want but if you can't get them on target you might as well be dropping basketballs. The 3rd person rings just ruined bombing in this game, made it too casual.  I remember saying to myself when they added the rings "now every noob pilot can do what I do, great, here come the nerfs."

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings

    Before the rings were added and I had 2x 250lb bombs on the Spitfire VA equipped, I just simply guessed. Over the time I got a feeling for that and could drop them pretty accurate. On tanks, on infantry, on stationary targets like sAA, etc. Ofcourse I had to go very low for that to drop them like this. But this was the price I was willing to pay.

    We all did the same b4 the fliger was introduced but now what could you do after all that buffs to fliger and aa
  • Terminator000001
    1001 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited June 9
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    interesting. I'm sure most don't realize this yet as they haven't leveled it up yet. I'm not a bomber/attack plane guy though, love dogfighting too much. The strength of the AA right now leaves me no choice but to use rockets. For me they are quite easy to use and effective, and I think the damage level is right, (I do 52 damage on a churchill with the G6 now with landing both rockets). With that said I think the game played better when the bombs were the more effective package but you didn't have the 3rd person rings to help you aim. It rewarded skill and experience, and it really separated the men from the boys. You can have powerful bombs all you want but if you can't get them on target you might as well be dropping basketballs. The 3rd person rings just ruined bombing in this game, made it too casual.  I remember saying to myself when they added the rings "now every noob pilot can do what I do, great, here come the nerfs."

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings

    Before the rings were added and I had 2x 250lb bombs on the Spitfire VA equipped, I just simply guessed. Over the time I got a feeling for that and could drop them pretty accurate. On tanks, on infantry, on stationary targets like sAA, etc. Ofcourse I had to go very low for that to drop them like this. But this was the price I was willing to pay.

    We all did the same b4 the fliger was introduced but now what could you do after all that buffs to fliger and aa

    With pacific planes, I switched to the 1.000lb bomb, since I can't get used to this stupid drop delay. I rather make less damage with one bomb than missing constantly with two available bombs.
    And for the Mustang, I kept the default 250lb bombs, because they don't have the drop delay.
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    interesting. I'm sure most don't realize this yet as they haven't leveled it up yet. I'm not a bomber/attack plane guy though, love dogfighting too much. The strength of the AA right now leaves me no choice but to use rockets. For me they are quite easy to use and effective, and I think the damage level is right, (I do 52 damage on a churchill with the G6 now with landing both rockets). With that said I think the game played better when the bombs were the more effective package but you didn't have the 3rd person rings to help you aim. It rewarded skill and experience, and it really separated the men from the boys. You can have powerful bombs all you want but if you can't get them on target you might as well be dropping basketballs. The 3rd person rings just ruined bombing in this game, made it too casual.  I remember saying to myself when they added the rings "now every noob pilot can do what I do, great, here come the nerfs."

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings

    Before the rings were added and I had 2x 250lb bombs on the Spitfire VA equipped, I just simply guessed. Over the time I got a feeling for that and could drop them pretty accurate. On tanks, on infantry, on stationary targets like sAA, etc. Ofcourse I had to go very low for that to drop them like this. But this was the price I was willing to pay.

    We all did the same b4 the fliger was introduced but now what could you do after all that buffs to fliger and aa

    With pacific planes, I switched to the 1.000lb bomb, since I can't get used to this stupid drop delay. I rather make less damage with one bomb than missing constantly with two available bombs.
    And for the Mustang, I kept the default 250lb bombs, because they don't have the drop delay.

    Good choice on the mustang it is the best choice now , i think this plane need a rework on the tree .
  • Terminator000001
    1001 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited June 9
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    interesting. I'm sure most don't realize this yet as they haven't leveled it up yet. I'm not a bomber/attack plane guy though, love dogfighting too much. The strength of the AA right now leaves me no choice but to use rockets. For me they are quite easy to use and effective, and I think the damage level is right, (I do 52 damage on a churchill with the G6 now with landing both rockets). With that said I think the game played better when the bombs were the more effective package but you didn't have the 3rd person rings to help you aim. It rewarded skill and experience, and it really separated the men from the boys. You can have powerful bombs all you want but if you can't get them on target you might as well be dropping basketballs. The 3rd person rings just ruined bombing in this game, made it too casual.  I remember saying to myself when they added the rings "now every noob pilot can do what I do, great, here come the nerfs."

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings

    Before the rings were added and I had 2x 250lb bombs on the Spitfire VA equipped, I just simply guessed. Over the time I got a feeling for that and could drop them pretty accurate. On tanks, on infantry, on stationary targets like sAA, etc. Ofcourse I had to go very low for that to drop them like this. But this was the price I was willing to pay.

    We all did the same b4 the fliger was introduced but now what could you do after all that buffs to fliger and aa

    With pacific planes, I switched to the 1.000lb bomb, since I can't get used to this stupid drop delay. I rather make less damage with one bomb than missing constantly with two available bombs.
    And for the Mustang, I kept the default 250lb bombs, because they don't have the drop delay.

    Good choice on the mustang it is the best choice now , i think this plane need a rework on the tree .

    I rather have a rework on the machineguns on the P51K. I'm not happy with any of the choice you have. They all feel so weak against other planes. Especially the Stuka tanks more than it is funny.

    I already switched back to the P51D and use the 6x .50 Cal.
  • cashm0n3y08
    256 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings
    You learn from experience how the bombs drop, I sort of used the nose of the plane in 3rd person to aim bombs, you sort of just develop a "feel", don't know how else to explain it. The Spitfire VA never had rings for the first year of the game's life cycle so I had plenty of practice, by the time the pacific planes rolled out I was an expert at dropping the bombs without the rings. 
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    interesting. I'm sure most don't realize this yet as they haven't leveled it up yet. I'm not a bomber/attack plane guy though, love dogfighting too much. The strength of the AA right now leaves me no choice but to use rockets. For me they are quite easy to use and effective, and I think the damage level is right, (I do 52 damage on a churchill with the G6 now with landing both rockets). With that said I think the game played better when the bombs were the more effective package but you didn't have the 3rd person rings to help you aim. It rewarded skill and experience, and it really separated the men from the boys. You can have powerful bombs all you want but if you can't get them on target you might as well be dropping basketballs. The 3rd person rings just ruined bombing in this game, made it too casual.  I remember saying to myself when they added the rings "now every noob pilot can do what I do, great, here come the nerfs."

    Pacific planes and the p51 planes dos not have bombing scope so how could thy bomb without the rings

    Before the rings were added and I had 2x 250lb bombs on the Spitfire VA equipped, I just simply guessed. Over the time I got a feeling for that and could drop them pretty accurate. On tanks, on infantry, on stationary targets like sAA, etc. Ofcourse I had to go very low for that to drop them like this. But this was the price I was willing to pay.

    We all did the same b4 the fliger was introduced but now what could you do after all that buffs to fliger and aa

    With pacific planes, I switched to the 1.000lb bomb, since I can't get used to this stupid drop delay. I rather make less damage with one bomb than missing constantly with two available bombs.
    And for the Mustang, I kept the default 250lb bombs, because they don't have the drop delay.

    Good choice on the mustang it is the best choice now , i think this plane need a rework on the tree .

    I rather have a rework on the machineguns on the P51K. I'm not happy with any of the choice you have. They all feel so weak against other planes. Especially the Stuka tanks more than it is funny.

    I already switched back to the P51D and use the 6x .50 Cal.

    i am still testing i found out some good things and found some flaws when i am certain i'll share it
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    You learn from experience how the bombs drop, I sort of used the nose of the plane in 3rd person to aim bombs, you sort of just develop a "feel", don't know how else to explain it. The Spitfire VA never had rings for the first year of the game's life cycle so I had plenty of practice, by the time the pacific planes rolled out I was an expert at dropping the bombs without the rings. 

    the problem now is the low damage you need to be precise without the rings you need a bomb scope
  • Terminator000001
    1001 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    You learn from experience how the bombs drop, I sort of used the nose of the plane in 3rd person to aim bombs, you sort of just develop a "feel", don't know how else to explain it. The Spitfire VA never had rings for the first year of the game's life cycle so I had plenty of practice, by the time the pacific planes rolled out I was an expert at dropping the bombs without the rings. 

    the problem now is the low damage you need to be precise without the rings you need a bomb scope
    Which bombs are you using? 🦆
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    Which bombs are you using? 🦆

    On the new p51 i go with the def. But on the pacific i use the 2 500 , i could kill a tank with 2 pass if he didnot repair and the load station was near
  • Terminator000001
    1001 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Do yourself a favor and switch to the 1.000lb bomb for the pacific planes, if the drop delay bothers you. Then you can dive attack with the bomb as before. A good hit even does 70 to 80 damage. Can´t remember how much exactly. 🦆
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Do yourself a favor and switch to the 1.000lb bomb for the pacific planes, if the drop delay bothers you. Then you can dive attack with the bomb as before. A good hit even does 70 to 80 damage. Can´t remember how much exactly. 🦆

    I did but found that the 2 bombs are better, you could take down 2 targets with them like cannons.
  • cashm0n3y08
    256 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    @Frindly-Fire-4

    I agree. If they never put the rings for the fighters in the game to begin with, they could have kept the bombs as lethal as they were. It would have rewarded skill and experience, instead of making it easy to bomb on target with weak bombs. I guess dice feels this appeals more the casual pilots who feel good about themselves if they get hitmarker.

    When this game first came out I couldn't tell you how many times I whiffed on the the bombs, but as I got more practice I got crazy good with the bombs, and it was as so rewarding with no rings.
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    It has been two months now since patch 6.6 release , the flares are useless , any use of a plane without rockets is useless , fliger one shot kill to a fighter is a non sense , AA long range and high damage is insane, britsh planes are stuck on the old tree, u.s new planes ( pd,pk) need a work on the specialisation tree , ex. You lose quick repair for flares ???? , spoting scope on p70 dos not work at all, spoting scope on all planes are useless too the range need to be increesed it's to late for you to act when the spot scope works, sine that 6.6 patch came out and lots of posts talked about the air game play problems and we demand a fix soon . I will not go on every detail this post and other have allready mentioned the problems.
  • Celsi_GER
    797 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    From the lots of posts you mentioned, >80% are made by you, repeating the "Fliegerfaust commonly makes OHK" lie again and again.

    Thank god it seems that EA/Dice did not fall for your desinformation campaign:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/PilotsofBattlefield/comments/hiy60m/partwelsh_confirms_that_aa_is_pretty_much_staying/
  • Frindly-Fire-4
    329 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Celsi_GER wrote: »
    From the lots of posts you mentioned, >80% are made by you, repeating the "Fliegerfaust commonly makes OHK" lie again and again.

    Thank god it seems that EA/Dice did not fall for your desinformation campaign:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/PilotsofBattlefield/comments/hiy60m/partwelsh_confirms_that_aa_is_pretty_much_staying/

    The fliger is a 100% one hit kill to a fighter and that is a fact , it should not do a one hit kill to a plane this is NON SENSE and not acceptable by any mean.
  • SirBobdk
    5296 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Agree with @Frindly-Fire-4. FF should not ohk any planes. Ohk need to go and be replaced with faster reload and speed.
  • DingoKillr
    4304 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Celsi_GER wrote: »
    From the lots of posts you mentioned, >80% are made by you, repeating the "Fliegerfaust commonly makes OHK" lie again and again.

    Thank god it seems that EA/Dice did not fall for your desinformation campaign:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/PilotsofBattlefield/comments/hiy60m/partwelsh_confirms_that_aa_is_pretty_much_staying/

    The fliger is a 100% one hit kill to a fighter and that is a fact , it should not do a one hit kill to a plane this is NON SENSE and not acceptable by any mean.
    Yer, 1HK for a set distance not for it's whole distance of 600m nor can blind fire and bring a plane crashing to the ground. You call that nonsense.

    No nonsense is a fighter can 1HK on a tank in a game.
  • Terminator000001
    1001 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    DingoKillr wrote: »
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    Yer, 1HK for a set distance not for it's whole distance of 600m nor can blind fire and bring a plane crashing to the ground. You call that nonsense.

    No nonsense is a fighter can 1HK on a tank in a game.

    The only fighter who is capable of that is the P51D to the Puma. Otherwise no fighter can kill a full health tank in one gunrun.
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