BFV Can we make Medics more aware?

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  • VOLBANKER
    1718 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited May 24
    If medics focus more on action or their K/D than they do on reviving, maybe it’s because there is very little prestige to be had from reviving. 

    Most people judge a fellow player mostly on K/D, KPM and SPM.

    Those data are also the ones most prominently featured on battletracker.com.
  • BassMan_PC
    260 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited May 24
    I like playing medic and reviving, even stupid ones sometimes, but it's amazing sometimes seeing people hold on for revives even the bravest medics won't risk

    There are very few scenarios that I won't go for a revive and I hate it when people skip revives.  A well equipped medic has 2 smoke grenades and 3 smoke rifle for a total of 5 smokes.  You can create cover around the downed team mate as well as pop ranged smoke to screen threats directly. 


  • BassMan_PC
    260 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    VOLBANKER said:
    If medics focus more on action or their K/D than they do on reviving, maybe it’s because there is very little prestige to be had from reviving. 

    Most people judge a fellow player mostly on K/D, KPM and SPM.

    Those data are also the ones most prominently featured on battletracker.com.

    The game does an excellent job of rewarding teamplay with score.  I am not a killing machine by any means.  I can't keep up with the young kids' reflexes, but I do well on the scoreboard due to PTFO and keeping my team alive....


  • CSO7777
    1873 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I play a lot of BF4 and some BF1 as well. BFV is not bad for revives/heals, BF1 is more or less the same, but BF4 is way worse.

    Compared to BF4, you get revived a lot more in BFV(/BF1) and in general it seems like players team-play more (if health/ammo is teamplay), in the newest titles.

    It could always be better than it is, but it really is a player problem. Perhaps Dice could do more to "educate" new players how to play the game.
  • ragnarok013
    3891 postsMember, Moderator, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Moderator
    I like playing medic and reviving, even stupid ones sometimes, but it's amazing sometimes seeing people hold on for revives even the bravest medics won't risk

    This is an important distinction. Many people who complain about not getting revived are in an open killzone with live enemy in the vicinity. If a medic is ignoring your downed status he may have a reason for not rushing in and reviving.
  • mesterKG
    166 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited May 24
    The 'problem' is that the medic class is so nice for cqc with smgs and self-heal. This makes a lot of players choose medic class for that reason with no intention of acting as medic for squad or team. I don't know how or if this should be changed.
    Your best bet is to play with a squad that takes the squad play serious. You cannot expect randoms to play the way you want them to play.
  • BassMan_PC
    260 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    mesterKG said:
    The 'problem' is that the medic class is so nice for cqc with smgs and self-heal. This makes a lot of players choose medic class for that reason with no intention of acting as medic for squad or team. I don't know how or if this should be changed.
    Your best bet is to play with a squad that takes the squad play serious. You cannot expect randoms to play the way you want them to play.

    I mostly play with randoms.  It is frustrating when I join a server and try to find a decent squad.  I am a good squad leader, but I don't mind following if there is a decent leader.  The problem is I will join a squad and the squad leader is doing nothing.  I request orders and eventually become squad leader.  I will issue orders regularly, but the squad mates don't follow.  So, I end up booting people from the squad until I get team players on my squad.  The average player is garbage, selfish and doesn't understand or care about the team dynamics of the game. 
  • mesterKG
    166 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Yeah. I think perhaps the only viable solution here is to have proper community games where owner can enforce their own play styles. On public servers players will play the way they want to have their fun.
  • VOLBANKER
    1718 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Sometimes a risky revive is the wrong move compared to staying alive by laying low, so your squad still has a spawnpoint there (i.e. you :) )
  • Toxic_CA
    952 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    The problem is the games visibility is bad enough without hampering medics even more by having more flashing things on screen.

    Medics should not really be in front of everyone else to begin with tbh, if the player plays the class they should be sat behind looking for flankers and keeping their team alive so really it is a player issue, everybody wants direct action.

    Sit back and do what? Most medics use smgs, which are required to be up close to be effective. Sit back and watch the flank? Calm down there buddy this is an arcade shooter not a Milsim no matter how much you fanboys want it to be
  • olavafar
    2261 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I play medic a lot lately and the more I play the less I feel for reviving. It is harsh but generally I feel that risking my life for someone who just died when I survived seem mostly to be a bad deal. Still I have the reflexes to do it but it is just so often I sit in spawn screen and regret I did it.

    Having said that, if you are behind the medic you are misplaced. If the medic advances you must advance faster, don't expect the medics too turn their back to the enemy just because you are lagging behind.

    (Sry it is monday morning here ;) ).
  • ninjapenquinuk
    2247 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    I feel squad revive doesn't help as players can just think that the players squad mate can do it instead. Not saying that is the a main cause of people not reviving but would contribute. Also would having more classes help, go back to having specialised classes instead of do a bit of everything rambos. i guess that's what the class roles were meant to be before that got dropped.
  • VOLBANKER
    1718 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I wish there was a number above each teammate who’re bleeding out, so that when given a choice between making 3-4 possible revives, I could go for the top players of my team first.

    Meaning I’d choose to revive the guy who is #2 on my team out of 32 before the guy who is #21.

    I know this may seem controversial but IMO it makes total sense. Of course you want your best people back on the pitch before other people from your team.
  • R1ckyDaMan19
    556 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited May 25
    Toxic_CA wrote: »
    The problem is the games visibility is bad enough without hampering medics even more by having more flashing things on screen.

    Medics should not really be in front of everyone else to begin with tbh, if the player plays the class they should be sat behind looking for flankers and keeping their team alive so really it is a player issue, everybody wants direct action.

    Sit back and do what? Most medics use smgs, which are required to be up close to be effective. Sit back and watch the flank? Calm down there buddy this is an arcade shooter not a Milsim no matter how much you fanboys want it to be

    Again, I dont need instant action, I get by just fine playing the way I do, just because it is an arcade shooter doesn't mean you can't use tactics, I help the all action heroes push forward and try to watch their backs, I know from playing other classes and trying to push as medic that most times a push fails because the enemy uses common sense, flanks and wipes the pushing squad.

    By sitting back just behind the squad I help them push and can try to help the squad avoid getting wiped, not saying people are bad for pushing, I'm saying that is the reason why people end up out of medics field of view and don't get revived.
  • Terminator000001
    1002 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I feel squad revive doesn't help as players can just think that the players squad mate can do it instead. Not saying that is the a main cause of people not reviving but would contribute. Also would having more classes help, go back to having specialised classes instead of do a bit of everything rambos. i guess that's what the class roles were meant to be before that got dropped.
    Squad revive is nothing what hurts the gameplay. It actually improves it and promotes teamplay. It´s even correctly balanced that Non-Medics need longer than the actual Medic. A Medic can take the risk to revive someone in the open field. Any Non-Medic, except Recon if he throws some smoke, can´t take the risk. But the best promotion in the world doesn´t help if people are selfish and suit themselves for being a Wannabe-Rambo. 
  • losthunter340
    72 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I feel squad revive doesn't help as players can just think that the players squad mate can do it instead. Not saying that is the a main cause of people not reviving but would contribute. Also would having more classes help, go back to having specialised classes instead of do a bit of everything rambos. i guess that's what the class roles were meant to be before that got dropped.

    I have never though that way, if I am a medic I do my job as I hope Assault and other classes do their job, but most of the time noone doing their job correcly in this game... Enemies tanks can survive whole rounds becuse only 1 assault player trying to go for the tanks instead of getting help from other assault players, 2 assault players or even 3 can easly take down a tank if they only play smart! But I always see a lack of skills most of the time.

    But yeah, maybe some think like this and if they do, they should not play medic at all.




  • losthunter340
    72 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Toxic_CA wrote: »
    The problem is the games visibility is bad enough without hampering medics even more by having more flashing things on screen.

    Medics should not really be in front of everyone else to begin with tbh, if the player plays the class they should be sat behind looking for flankers and keeping their team alive so really it is a player issue, everybody wants direct action.

    Sit back and do what? Most medics use smgs, which are required to be up close to be effective. Sit back and watch the flank? Calm down there buddy this is an arcade shooter not a Milsim no matter how much you fanboys want it to be

    Again, I dont need instant action, I get by just fine playing the way I do, just because it is an arcade shooter doesn't mean you can't use tactics, I help the all action heroes push forward and try to watch their backs, I know from playing other classes and trying to push as medic that most times a push fails because the enemy uses common sense, flanks and wipes the pushing squad.

    By sitting back just behind the squad I help them push and can try to help the squad avoid getting wiped, not saying people are bad for pushing, I'm saying that is the reason why people end up out of medics field of view and don't get revived.

    Ermm... What? I always push and if YOU use common sense you succeed, me and my friend (when we are 2) often play 2 medic or he plays assault and we 70% of the time take over an objective 2vs8 or more sometimes, a pushing medic does more help then someone who "watching their backs", thats imo is a job for an support player... You do you but I dont agree with your statement becuse if you are aware of the things behind you, using comms and also listen to sounds + have some game understanding its absolutly not a hard task to push at all, and as a medic you can then help them on the front line when its clear or when someone is defending you....

  • CPU_UK
    1113 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Also it doesn't help that medics only have 2 smoke grenades (at best)- a dying player is bad, but a dying player & medic is worse.
  • The_BERG_366
    2781 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    CPU_UK said:
    Also it doesn't help that medics only have 2 smoke grenades (at best)- a dying player is bad, but a dying player & medic is worse.
    at best? the medic can have two smoke grenades in the launcher off spawn (which can be increased to three by picking up amo). on top of that you can equip hand thrown smoke grenades, which you have two of as well. so at best a medic has 5....
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