How to dramatically improve KD Ratio - UPDATED WITH PS5 Results

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Greeny_Huwjarz
4813 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
edited December 2020

I’ve been running an experiment over the last 2 weeks, so see if I could understand that net performance benefits of playing BF1 on a gaming monitor vs a TV, I’m also going to test the additional benefit of playing on a PS5 vs PS4 Pro, but I don’t have enough data on this yet, (however, early resultsmare also interesting )

TLDR 


  1. A decent gaming monitor makes a very significant performance advantage to players over a TV - even a decent gaming TV, providing a significant uplift in K/D ratio. If you play on a tv without a decent game mode with significant display lag, you can expect a far better result
  2. My results show that players could expect a MINIMUM 20% IMPROVEMENT IN K/D simply by gaming on a decent monitor.  In my case my K/D went up consistently by over 0.5 overall.
  3. The results on PS4 vs PS5 are not yet clear yet - I will update them when ready, but initial results show an additional small improvement, that i put down to better visibility on the PS5. 

Let me lay out the methodology: 

The performance base:


My performance is BF1 is very consistent. I download my stats from the tracker every month.  I’ve been collecting daily data, and aggregating that data into monthly summaries since the game came out. Since May 2018 (nearly 3 years of granular data!) my performance has been very consistent  in key metrics like average skill, kills per game and KD ratio. Those measure have shown only minor improvement as as my performance has largely plateaued using a consistent set up. 

The set up


Since May 18 my hardware set up has been entirely consistent:

PS4 Pro

Samsung 55 inch TV with decent gaming settings of 10ms display lag

XIM4 set up with consistent settings. This is not a XIM post, so don’t bother commenting - its not relevant to the topic. 

Same wired connection to a decent 70Meg down connection with low latency (Sky Broadband in the UK)

The only change in that period was moving to XIM Apex on release, but the the same settings. - No noticeable improvement (I don’t recommend Apex over XIM4!) 


The new hardware

Changed to a Samsung 27 inch monitor with 5ms display lag. For completeness, It is the LG UHD 27UN83A 27 Inch Monitor IPS 4K (3840x2160) - VESA DisplayHDR 400, with USB-C. I could have bought a specialised gaming monitor with lower display lag, but this monitor balanced my gaming and longer term work needs better. 


My baseline stats

1. Skill

My average daily skill by month has been very consistent since May 2018

On average my skill since May 2018 has been very consistent - averaging at 541 per month (That is the average skill per day in a given month) 

It does not vary greatly but month, although there are individual days with greater variance with a top skill in the baseline period of 678 and a low of 373 - (must have been blind drunk that day ;))

Aggregating that data by month: 

Lowest average monthly skill rating of 524 (attributable to a month when I was trying to knock over some sniper gun challenges)

A highest average skill rating of 578. (That was a month when I was levelling up the Federov!) - Definitely an effective, easy to use gun! 

The difference between my lowest and highest rating (the spread) is within 10%.  Over nearly 3 years. It’s very consistent.

I play circa 330 games of conquest per month - a great sample size. 

2. KD

Again, since May 2018 (a period in which I have played over 9000 games!) these stats have been very consistent: 

I average a KD of 3.11 in that period, again with little variation by month - it has never dropped below 2.8, but there is increased variation at the top end - I had 2 months where my KD was at 3.9 - Specifically the months where I was levelling up variants of the Federov (again, proving it's ease of use!)

THE RESULTS

I've been collecting daily stats since purchasing the monitor. The monitor was purchased on 6th November, so I've been collecting stats for 3 weeks, with a sample size of 317 games and incorporating circa 10000 kills. So a good sample size. 

KD

In 300+ games since I got the monitor, my KD has been 3.63. This compares with an average KD during the sample period of 3.11. This is a pretty significant dramatic improvement over the sample of nearly 20%. My KD has gone up by an astonishing 0.52. 

I think this is a decent result and goes to show the power of gaming monitor set up. 

THIS RESULTS IS UNDERSTATED

What makes it more impressive is that for much of the base sample time (the 31 months since May 18) I was using ‘guns of choice’…………During that period I would have been levelling up guns that were easy to use and suited my playstyle I am on a mission now to try to get 100* with all the medic guns before BF6 comes out, so I am actually exclusively using the unpopular medic guns. Since I had the monitor, I gave been pretty much EXCLUSIVELY using really unpopular ‘skill cannon’ guns like:

Selby Sniper

AL Marksman

Selby 1906

Autoloading Factory

General Liu

So the fact that I am achieving these results with these guns suggest to me that these gains are at the bottom of the expected range.


Summary

Want to git gud? Many to improve your KD by at least 20%?

GET A MONITOR! 


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Comments

  • A_al_K_pacino_A
    1203 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Probably true. I dread to think what the lag is on my cheapo TV but it was said cheapness that attracted me. If/when I get a ps5 I'll have to look for something better.
  • Lastel_of_Pejite
    31 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    The refresh rate on the monitor is important (but that's on PC).
    Ps: Is Martini-Henry a skill cannon ? I don't see anyone play it and I only see 2 players use it beside me.
  • disposalist
    9011 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    edited November 2020
    Well, my KD isn't great, or a priority for me, but I do know when I moved from a 60Hz 1080p 24 inch monitor (on PC) to a 165Hz 1440p 27 inch (and a better GPU to get FPS around 100) the game felt sooo much better and I'm certain my performance improved.

    The difference between 60 FPS and 100FPS is like night and day - well at least like tape and CD.

    Smoothing out the game and the input lag does indeed have a massive effect.

    It's no wonder 'pro' gamers turn down their graphics fidelity to get high framerates and low input latency.
  • Greeny_Huwjarz
    4813 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Probably true. I dread to think what the lag is on my cheapo TV but it was said cheapness that attracted me. If/when I get a ps5 I'll have to look for something better.

    I would have loved to have done the same analysis when I got my gaming TV, but I can’t because I was still improving my skill in 2018 when I got it, but I know that anecdotally, the improvements I made in KD at that time going from a crappy old tv to a really modern one were massive.

    The leap I made in this analysis was from 10ms to 5 ms. But i also think the close proximity and resolution makes a massive difference. You just see enemies easier on a monitor.
  • ElliotLH
    9851 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Probably true. I dread to think what the lag is on my cheapo TV but it was said cheapness that attracted me. If/when I get a ps5 I'll have to look for something better.

    Having a similar debate with myself as I want to buy the new Xbox but also need to upgrade my TV as well to make the most of it.
  • CSO7777
    2091 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Probably true. I dread to think what the lag is on my cheapo TV but it was said cheapness that attracted me. If/when I get a ps5 I'll have to look for something better.

    I would have loved to have done the same analysis when I got my gaming TV, but I can’t because I was still improving my skill in 2018 when I got it, but I know that anecdotally, the improvements I made in KD at that time going from a crappy old tv to a really modern one were massive.

    The leap I made in this analysis was from 10ms to 5 ms. But i also think the close proximity and resolution makes a massive difference. You just see enemies easier on a monitor.
    I don't think the 5ms improvement does much, sitting closer to the screen is probably the biggest factor. It's much easier to see things on a monitor at close range than on a big tv at some distance. Its the same with monitor sizes, apparently many PC-gamers think that 32inch is too much and that 27inch is best.

    Of course going from 50ms+ to 5ms would make a difference - if your reaction time is 250-300ms, 50 ms makes a big difference compared to 5ms (40-50ms would be a statistical advantage in firefights).
  • Greeny_Huwjarz
    4813 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    CSO7777 wrote: »
    (Quote)
    I don't think the 5ms improvement does much, sitting closer to the screen is probably the biggest factor. It's much easier to see things on a monitor at close range than on a big tv at some distance. Its the same with monitor sizes, apparently many PC-gamers think that 32inch is too much and that 27inch is best.

    Of course going from 50ms+ to 5ms would make a difference - if your reaction time is 250-300ms, 50 ms makes a big difference compared to 5ms (40-50ms would be a statistical advantage in firefights).

    I totally agree with this. 5ms is really too little to be a dramatic improvement, abs it’s my sense that it’s the clarity and proximity.

    I actually initially got a 32 inch monitor, and boy, it was painful. It’s just too big to be effective. You just can’t scan the screen properly and I was getting eye strain.

    My own experience, but not backed by the data is
    That a move from and old TV to a new monitor would be a game changer for most gamers.......


    So know you know what you need to ask for on those Xmas lists. ;-)
  • dariarty
    209 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Christ I'm playing on a Sony Bravia!

    At least I can blame my abysmal performances on that now.

    Appreciate the info, I might look into getting one for the PS5. 
  • Greeny_Huwjarz
    4813 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Thanks for the positive feedback.

    Obviously performance benefits will be different for different players, but it is widely known that gaming on a dedicated gaming set up is the best option.

    I was just surprised how much benefit I got.

    I’m now tracking my data on PS5 VS PS4 Pro abs will update when I have enough.
  • TEKNOCODE
    11616 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Tv with a great game mode is a must.
  • CSO7777
    2091 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    TEKNOCODE said:
    Tv with a great game mode is a must.
    The big players have begun focusing on input-lag and shows pretty good numbers (Samsung, LG), outside gaming mode the input lag can be atrocious (100ms+).

    An older TV without gaming mode, will probably be pretty bad.

    A nice list to check (only recent models): https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

  • HugoPlayNow
    251 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Wow...some good stuff I never thought of!

    My 20" HDTV I game off of has a Game mode, but I thought it was just for color/contrast.  Is it possible it also includes improved response?  It's a Westinghouse.
  • CSO7777
    2091 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Wow...some good stuff I never thought of!

    My 20" HDTV I game off of has a Game mode, but I thought it was just for color/contrast.  Is it possible it also includes improved response?  It's a Westinghouse.
    Just try it out, it can't hurt.

    Game mode disables all kinds of image processing (upscaling, sharpening, noise/'what-ever' reduction, 'blur reduction'/smoothing/100Hz etc), which all add processing-time (input-lag). This can give reduced image quality, but when gaming a fast paced FPS this matters less than speed (and after 5 minutes you will probably not notice it anyway).
  • TEKNOCODE
    11616 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    CSO7777 wrote: »
    The big players have begun focusing on input-lag and shows pretty good numbers (Samsung, LG), outside gaming mode the input lag can be atrocious (100ms+).

    An older TV without gaming mode, will probably be pretty bad.

    A nice list to check (only recent models): https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag
    Love rtngs.

    Went from a 65” Samsung Q9F/N, which was great for input lag to 65” LG GX, which is excellent.
  • Ronin9572
    1457 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    CSO7777 wrote: »
    The big players have begun focusing on input-lag and shows pretty good numbers (Samsung, LG), outside gaming mode the input lag can be atrocious (100ms+).

    An older TV without gaming mode, will probably be pretty bad.

    A nice list to check (only recent models): https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

    rtings.com is a great site for tech, especially tv's. Going from an older tv with no game mode to one that has one will make a difference. Even my cheap TCL S425 made a difference right away. Just think of what will happen when you buy a more expensive one.
  • Greeny_Huwjarz
    4813 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Wow...some good stuff I never thought of!

    My 20" HDTV I game off of has a Game mode, but I thought it was just for color/contrast.  Is it possible it also includes improved response?  It's a Westinghouse.
    Game mode makes an incredible difference on all TV's. Its stops the TV doing all sorts of 'fannying around' while you are needing to kill people! 

    Samsung TV's now are really good in this respect. 
  • CSO7777
    2091 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Just to make another point, input-lag is closely related to FPS, having as high FPS as possible gives the lowest possible input-lag. PC gamers runs CSGO runs at 300+ FPS for low input-lag (its probably overkill, but still), and often run with reduced graphics quality to get high FPS.

    If Dice would patch BF1/BFV for 120 fps (on the new consoles) then input lag could be reduced even further. This is apparently a pretty comprehensive task on PS5, but should be very easy to do for XBOX (but will probably never happen). At least the new consoles can run with max FPS and therefore give consistent input-lag (which is just as important).
  • Greeny_Huwjarz
    4813 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    CSO7777 said:
    Just to make another point, input-lag is closely related to FPS, having as high FPS as possible gives the lowest possible input-lag. PC gamers runs CSGO runs at 300+ FPS for low input-lag (its probably overkill, but still), and often run with reduced graphics quality to get high FPS.

    If Dice would patch BF1/BFV for 120 fps (on the new consoles) then input lag could be reduced even further. This is apparently a pretty comprehensive task on PS5, but should be very easy to do for XBOX (but will probably never happen). At least the new consoles can run with max FPS and therefore give consistent input-lag (which is just as important).
    Thats a really great point. I know that @smkgaming1 will also add to this debate as he has been playing COD at 120Hz on the new consoles. 

    The problem for PS users is that there are no 120Hz 4k monitors as yet...........and when they do come they won't be affordable to most....
  • disposalist
    9011 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    Not particularly for stats performance in-game, but for smoothness of the game and greater enjoyment, I wish game producers would concentrate more on 'stylised' graphics that look great but give better FPS than on photo-realistic that, inevitably, ruins performance.
  • SmokeD_BabooN
    504 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Three days ago I bought a reclined sofa. Before I was sitting  on a  wooden chair in front of my LG gaming monitor 140 hz 24 incher about 1m in front of my monitor.
    My specs are:
    regular PS4 that sounds like a jet taking off;
    dualshock v2 brand new;
    hdmi 2.1 gold plated 4k cable;
    powerline adapter 1200 mbs Tp link;
    power surge cyberlink;
    monitor above;

    Three days I played on my sofa, with feet up high, at about 1,5m away from the setup;

    The consistent and amazing results are:

    Got rekted from any angle by knee sliders especially playing BFV tactical conquest and Hellriegel forest BF1; In 3 days my K/D dropped from 4,33 to a 4,23;

    Had tough times piloting in any given game BFV, BF1 and BF4. The angle of my body towards my gaming monitor is not okay, this means DO NOT BUY black friday sofas!

    I got pubstomped playing alone against clans;

    I tankgewehered sum muromets and attack planes because somehow waving my feet, meant proning easier so I could bushcamp like a pro; Sofa is like an extent of a hardcore sniper.

    Summarize:
    My sofa is bad, perhaps that's why my K/D dropped;
    Sofa is good for snipers so If you are a hardcore sniper buy that;
    My gaming monitor on console hasn't helped me, in fact in 2 years of gaming, seeing perfectly how I died behind cover 80% time, makes things even worse;

    Do not buy stuff when black friday.



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