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Anyone else worried about the next BF game?

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  • SFSeventh
    197 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    I admit i was very anti premium at the start of BF1 and i'd love to see every player on even ground in terms of content. But after playing the Battlefront 2 beta and seeing/experiencing the loot crate system i am now pretty ok with the 50$ i paid for premium.
    I'd hate too see such a bad content system affecting the 2018 Battlefield title. Just make expansion packs like in the good ol' days. Ahhhhh i still remember purchasing northern strike for 2142 xD
  • xKusagamix
    194 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    edited October 11
    SFSeventh wrote: »
    I admit i was very anti premium at the start of BF1 and i'd love to see every player on even ground in terms of content. But after playing the Battlefront 2 beta and seeing/experiencing the loot crate system i am now pretty ok with the 50$ i paid for premium.
    I'd hate too see such a bad content system affecting the 2018 Battlefield title. Just make expansion packs like in the good ol' days. Ahhhhh i still remember purchasing northern strike for 2142 xD
    Or a whole new game like Bad Company 2 Vietnam.
    The fact that SW BF2 got a chance to be good, but the loot crate system alone is already kill the game.
  • robmcewen
    1457 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Yes I am worried about the next BATTLEFIELD game if it follows the new BATTLEFRONT loot box system.

    After playing the beta I'm not interested in buying Battlefront 2 which was my first try of the series, with the hero unlocks which make the BF1 elite class look a lot less cheesy but it's the loot creat system is my main reason in not wanting to part with my money for the game.

    Like most sane people if I want to win a game I play to win and don't rely on the content of my wallet to get me the MVP position.

    If the loot creat system makes its unwanted presence in the next BATTLEFIELD game and it turns in to a £60 pay to win game, I will most likely just stick to the previous BATTLEFIELD games or look for pastures new in another game.

    The funny thing is if they do add this system to the next BATTLEFIELD game all the big YouTuber's that have been pushing for DICE and EA to scrape the premium system in their click-bait video will be the first to cry "why did they get rid of premium? it was so much better than the loot creat system now BF doesn't take skill"
  • I-Soldat-I
    907 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    It shouldn't be "pay to win" in any FPS as it creates an unfair environment
  • PopsicleStealer
    322 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    OF course I'm worried. I got my concers right after EA confirmed that battlefront 2 will have no season pass and will have p2w microtransaction. Dice is looking at games like CoD and how much money could they make. And everything is going that direction, heres how:

    1 They introduced weapon variants, so that players could get familiar with them and learn that certain variants are way more powerful than others.

    2 They promised Battlefront 2 would have no season pass/premium. And very gently while licking our ****, told us that there would be different rarity star cards/specializations that will be available in microtransaction.

    3 They would release Battlefield in 2018 that would have exact same weapon variant system as in BF1, and exact same microtransaction system as in Battlefield 2 with most powerful weapon variants available ONLY through battlepacks.

    And if someone will come here and tell me that "Hey but you can unlock these variants just by playing the game" I will kill you. This is Battlefield, this is no Desity or some kind of korean MMORPG game where you have to sell yourself to the devil to get something decent to play with. I want to join a game, pick up a gun that I like and go kill some people. I don't want to spend 50 hours grinding for some decent gun. Even latest assigments in Tsar DLC are annoying af, I don't want to do some senseless grinding to get 1 gun. I prefer paying set amout for game and its DLCs and guarated to get weapons that are in the base game/DLCs and not have to gamble to get one gun.
  • mihai2011rom
    787 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    I wasn't going to buy battlefront 2 anyways, but I watched the videos. If the next battlefield has a loot crate system like that, I won't be buying it.
  • xKusagamix
    194 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    edited October 12
    OF course I'm worried. I got my concers right after EA confirmed that battlefront 2 will have no season pass and will have p2w microtransaction. Dice is looking at games like CoD and how much money could they make.
    To be fair, it's not DICE who come up with this, it's EA. The game name is already "EA" Star Wars Battlefront. If you know much effort DICE did in every little details in BF1 and previous BF, i don't think they come up with this idea to kill the game that they made with their hearts. Same old thing with BF4 launch, even if its not yet finish, EA still push it out the door.

    And SW BF2 is even worse than COD, 'cause COD do allow you to unlock guns and attachments for your class.
  • HuwJarz
    1302 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    We are on a road to a m ore expensive outcome if you are a current premium player.

    The reality here is that lots of people complained about the 'split community', but how much of an issue is that really? We are a year down the line now, and in Europe for example, there are fully populated servers for all the major game modes. Several servers still populated for the TSNP DLC.

    This split, is really not a practical issue for most.

    What we will be getting next is pay to win and I can pretty much guarantee that the maximum you will spend to unlock all content ,moving forwards, will be substantial, possibly even multiple times the cost of premium as is.

    Not good.
  • robmcewen
    1457 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Do you think EA will listen to their community's concerns about the loot box system and the fact the series will turn in to apay2win game?

    May have to go to Reddit and see what the opinion is there about the new system and see if they have gotten a response from EA/DICE.
  • Qwagm1re
    57 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    xKusagamix wrote: »
    If the next BF will be DLC free like SW BF2 then no thank, i'd like to pay $120 for a "full game", instead of $60 for a game and $600 for more content.

    Yes, however it makes you fell really good when you keep kicking the guy's **** who paid for all that stuff!
  • ShadowBlitzer0
    515 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    It doesn't have to be either the current Premium model or microtransactions.

    Premium is fine, but maps should be free to all after 3 or 4 months. People will pay to have a few months 'early access' and as the DLC starts to become less popular, everyone gets it in the base game. DLC life is extended and community is joined. Servers can be merged saving money and bringing people together.

    They could even keep some (cosmetic or minor functional) content premium only if they think a few months early access won't get premium to those that like 'exclusive' stuff.

    That’s something that I would go along with. I actually think premium should be more of an early access kind of thing. Like the TSNP should be free for everyone maybe guns aswell since ITNOTT dropped. Keep premium for more customisation features and weapon skins and more Battlepacks. Reduce the price of premium from £40 to say £25-30 and also include the CTE for premium.
  • xKusagamix
    194 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    edited October 12
    That’s something that I would go along with. I actually think premium should be more of an early access kind of thing. Like the TSNP should be free for everyone maybe guns aswell since ITNOTT dropped. Keep premium for more customisation features and weapon skins and more Battlepacks. Reduce the price of premium from £40 to say £25-30 and also include the CTE for premium.
    Yeah, with a little adjust here and there to make Premium users have some unique, but not game breaking things compare to Standard users. I like the fact that they release all the DLCs in BF4 for free, but it's a bit late.
  • BURGERKRIEG
    235 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    edited October 13
    I think the problem is the community is only waking up to the shape of things to come now.

    But it may be too late.

    The business plan for Battlefield 2018 was likely written 2 years ago and based on a company wide mandate to further push micro transactions (because the CFO said that’s exactly what they planned to do in 2013).

    They will introduce it slowly and unobtrusively at first. With some nicely weighed arguments regarding customer convenience. Maybe in a big stupid console shooter. Use it to lay the ground work.

    Like by redesigning the progression system and introducing “cosmetic” loot boxes at first.

    Fortunately the bf1 community is too clever to fall for that.

    Oh, wait..
  • BobsAndVegane
    537 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Fortunately the bf1 community is too clever to fall for that.

    Oh, wait..

    It's too bad a significant portion of the people who play the game are FILTHY CASUALS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. But seriously, I thought the argument that casual gamers ruin the game for everyone else was rather silly until I realized it was the casual gamer who causes these microtransactions to have the success they do. You know, the level 83 who has had the game since launch. The ones that consistently occupy the bottom half of the scoreboard. The ones that don't bother with communicating with other members of the community, who therefore don't realize how absurd the idea of paying for the minute chance of getting something they want is.
  • anzac1915
    432 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    robmcewen wrote: »
    Do you think EA will listen to their community's concerns about the loot box system and the fact the series will turn in to apay2win game?

    May have to go to Reddit and see what the opinion is there about the new system and see if they have gotten a response from EA/DICE.

    https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/starwars/battlefront/battlefront-2/news/thank-you-beta
  • RIP-Gord-Downie
    122 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Oh ya , but we’re all going to buy it , and they no it lol
  • herodes87
    227 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Its a shame to what the Franchise become. But it will become worst. I will Look for the next Battlefield. If it include the same weapon supply drops Like CoD i will skip it. Maybe i move Back to PC. They have really good shooters, ps4 has just BF and CoD.
  • crabman169
    9943 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Damn I was just about to post that

    ~

    As game makers, watching millions of passionate players get their hands on our game has been incredibly exciting and – in many ways – inspiring. Believe us when we say that your participation is making the game better, and we’re humbled that so many of you took time to not only try the Star Wars Battlefront II Beta, but to share your thoughts with us too.

    The Beta was just a small piece of what we're making. Yes, there’s more content (new locations, heroes, modes, and the all-new single-player campaign), but we heard your feedback loud and clear after the first game. There is more player choice in multiplayer through a deeper progression system and an evolving, event-driven live service that keeps the community together by moving away from Season Pass and having all new gameplay content free for all Star Wars Battlefront II players.

    Rest assured, we’re continuing to listen to you coming out of Beta. We’re taking a look at some of the most discussed topics, from Crates and progression to Strike mode (which we're considering changing to a best of three), the Specialist’s Infiltration ability (which might be a little too overpowered) and more. Oh, and the First Order Flametrooper needs some work – we agree he could use a little more... firepower. We are also looking into more ways to allow players to stay and play together as a team – for launch, we’ll have a new feature for you that rewards all players in a spawn wave. These are just a few examples of how your feedback is helping to shape the game.

    We know you have a lot of questions about Crates and progression, so we want to clarify a few things, as the complete system was not in the Beta and will continue to be tuned over time:

    There are many things you can earn in the game, including weapons, attachments, credits, Star Cards, Emotes, Outfits and Victory Poses.
    As a balance goal, we’re working towards having the most powerful items in the game only earnable via in-game achievements.
    Crates will include a mix of of Star Cards, Outfits, Emotes or Victory Poses.
    Players earn crates by completing challenges and other gameplay milestones, or by purchasing them with in-game credits or Crystals, our premium currency.
    If you get a duplicate Star Card in a crate, you will get crafting parts which you can then use to help upgrade the Star Card of your choice.
    And lastly, you have to earn the right to be able to upgrade Star Cards and unlock most Weapons. You can only upgrade or unlock them if you have reached a high enough rank, which is determined by playing the game.
    We also have heard some players are looking for a way to play where all players will have the same set of Star Cards with flattened values. Like everything else, we will be continually making necessary changes to ensure the game is fun for everyone. We will work to make sure the system is balanced both for players who want to earn everything, as well as for players who are short on time and would like to move faster in their progress towards various rewards.

    And you, our community, will play a big role in the evolution of the game. Whether it’s comments on our forums or posts over social media, we’re listening. Your feedback makes a difference, and your passion is what keeps us creating.

    Again, we want to thank you for taking part in the Beta and helping us make sure that the launch will be, to quote a certain masked Sith Lord, a day long remembered. We’ll have much more to share with you before we see you on the battlefront in November.

    ~

    Why can't we have this team working on bf1?
  • llPhantom_Limbll
    1119 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    edited October 13
    crabman169 wrote: »
    Damn I was just about to post that

    ~

    As game makers, watching millions of passionate players get their hands on our game has been incredibly exciting and – in many ways – inspiring. Believe us when we say that your participation is making the game better, and we’re humbled that so many of you took time to not only try the Star Wars Battlefront II Beta, but to share your thoughts with us too.

    The Beta was just a small piece of what we're making. Yes, there’s more content (new locations, heroes, modes, and the all-new single-player campaign), but we heard your feedback loud and clear after the first game. There is more player choice in multiplayer through a deeper progression system and an evolving, event-driven live service that keeps the community together by moving away from Season Pass and having all new gameplay content free for all Star Wars Battlefront II players.

    Rest assured, we’re continuing to listen to you coming out of Beta. We’re taking a look at some of the most discussed topics, from Crates and progression to Strike mode (which we're considering changing to a best of three), the Specialist’s Infiltration ability (which might be a little too overpowered) and more. Oh, and the First Order Flametrooper needs some work – we agree he could use a little more... firepower. We are also looking into more ways to allow players to stay and play together as a team – for launch, we’ll have a new feature for you that rewards all players in a spawn wave. These are just a few examples of how your feedback is helping to shape the game.

    We know you have a lot of questions about Crates and progression, so we want to clarify a few things, as the complete system was not in the Beta and will continue to be tuned over time:

    There are many things you can earn in the game, including weapons, attachments, credits, Star Cards, Emotes, Outfits and Victory Poses.
    As a balance goal, we’re working towards having the most powerful items in the game only earnable via in-game achievements.
    Crates will include a mix of of Star Cards, Outfits, Emotes or Victory Poses.
    Players earn crates by completing challenges and other gameplay milestones, or by purchasing them with in-game credits or Crystals, our premium currency.
    If you get a duplicate Star Card in a crate, you will get crafting parts which you can then use to help upgrade the Star Card of your choice.
    And lastly, you have to earn the right to be able to upgrade Star Cards and unlock most Weapons. You can only upgrade or unlock them if you have reached a high enough rank, which is determined by playing the game.
    We also have heard some players are looking for a way to play where all players will have the same set of Star Cards with flattened values. Like everything else, we will be continually making necessary changes to ensure the game is fun for everyone. We will work to make sure the system is balanced both for players who want to earn everything, as well as for players who are short on time and would like to move faster in their progress towards various rewards.

    And you, our community, will play a big role in the evolution of the game. Whether it’s comments on our forums or posts over social media, we’re listening. Your feedback makes a difference, and your passion is what keeps us creating.

    Again, we want to thank you for taking part in the Beta and helping us make sure that the launch will be, to quote a certain masked Sith Lord, a day long remembered. We’ll have much more to share with you before we see you on the battlefront in November.

    ~

    Why can't we have this team working on bf1?

    It still has to be seen if anything they've said isn't lie because to me right now it looks more like a typical corporate response to keep preorders. We will not see the actual state of things until the release.
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