Article from EA's chief creative explaining to either 'accept women are in the game or don't buy it'

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  • Natetendo83
    1021 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    You realize of course that his daughter is not the sole reason. If you think that she is, then honestly you shouldn't be using the Internet as you are not safe.

    Maybe not, but that's now two developers who have referenced their children as influences for this. There is no denying the roll that's played in their process, even if it's used as justification at this point.
  • disposalist
    8500 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited June 2018
    Near all companies, from bank to bakeries, have diversity as a core value. It's in law in most countries. The fact that it also makes sense for marketing and money-making is no surprise since their customers, the public, are generally decent human beings with similar values.

    It's also no surprise that someone who has a young daughter is more aware of some diversity issues than others.

    That some people invent political conspiracy theories and seem to need to attack these values is... interesting.

    They aren't the sort of people I'd be listening to or worried about losing as a customer either.
  • MissCommissar
    403 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    You realize of course that his daughter is not the sole reason. If you think that she is, then honestly you shouldn't be using the Internet as you are not safe.

    That guy went straight against the "EA code" from Andrew Wilson: "Listen to the community, listen and learn" with his "anyone who's disturbed by the women's presence is welcome not to buy the game". I think, EA should start to do something with their employes, who publicly break "listen and learn" rule and purpousfuly and openly demotivaitng people from buying their own game.
  • impulsive_tango
    200 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I have no issues having gals in the game.
  • Natetendo83
    1021 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Near all companies, from bank to bakeries, have diversity as a core value. It's in law in most countries. The fact that it also makes sense for marketing and money-making is no surprise since their customers, the public, are generally decent human beings with similar values.

    It's also no surprise that someone who has a young daughter is more aware of some diversity issues than others.

    That some people invent political conspiracy theories and seem to need to attack these values is... interesting.

    They aren't the sort of people I'd be listening to or worried about losing as a customer either.

    Diversity doesn't matter when you are talking about historical events. Either do the setting or admit it's an alternate universe. I'm all for enjoying and celebrating our differences and similarities, but using media to alter history (while claiming to be authentic) is pretty lame. Our world is smack dab in the middle of a massive push back against the "forced" instances of this stuff, going all in on that very idea isn't smart.

    The only reason DICE is doing this is because they genuinely believe they can make more money this way than with Premium. Perhaps that's how it will go down, it all depends on how many people buy the game and how much people are willing to spend on the cosmetics.
  • StarscreamUK
    7269 postsMember, Moderator, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Moderator
    You realize of course that his daughter is not the sole reason. If you think that she is, then honestly you shouldn't be using the Internet as you are not safe.

    That guy went straight against the "EA code" from Andrew Wilson: "Listen to the community, listen and learn" with his "anyone who's disturbed by the women's presence is welcome not to buy the game". I think, EA should start to do something with their employes, who publicly break "listen and learn" rule and purpousfuly and openly demotivaitng people from buying their own game.

    they did listen

    people said "we want customisation"

    they did learn

    they learnt that the community is fickle and will changes its mind on a whim
  • MissCommissar
    403 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    You realize of course that his daughter is not the sole reason. If you think that she is, then honestly you shouldn't be using the Internet as you are not safe.

    That guy went straight against the "EA code" from Andrew Wilson: "Listen to the community, listen and learn" with his "anyone who's disturbed by the women's presence is welcome not to buy the game". I think, EA should start to do something with their employes, who publicly break "listen and learn" rule and purpousfuly and openly demotivaitng people from buying their own game.

    they did listen

    people said "we want customisation"

    they did learn

    they learnt that the community is fickle and will changes its mind on a whim

    Now people say: "We still want to have a customisation, but pls, remove some unrequired parts of it, like genders".

    Why don't they listen now? What happened? And noone changed their mind, cos noone asked for customisation like this. You may try to say otherwise, but you know, that it is a horrible lie, that makes Jesus cry.
  • Zviko0
    1619 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited June 2018
    You realize of course that his daughter is not the sole reason. If you think that she is, then honestly you shouldn't be using the Internet as you are not safe.

    That guy went straight against the "EA code" from Andrew Wilson: "Listen to the community, listen and learn" with his "anyone who's disturbed by the women's presence is welcome not to buy the game". I think, EA should start to do something with their employes, who publicly break "listen and learn" rule and purpousfuly and openly demotivaitng people from buying their own game.

    they did listen

    people said "we want customisation"

    they did learn

    they learnt that the community is fickle and will changes its mind on a whim

    That sounds like an excuse someone from DICE would give us. Obviously everyone wants customization but you can't treat it on it's own. There are some other factors. You can't say, let's put customization in NBA because people want it for their pro player, let's give them an option to dress in swimming suit or WW2 uniform and also have an option to add prosthetic limbs.
    Would you say the same in NBA forum if they did that? Because it's exactly the same, they would include customization but totally forget it's a NBA game, where players need basketball kits to be comfortable, to know who is on who's team and that they all need all limbs because...well it's obvious...

    Like I said, it depends on what the game is about or in this case, the WW2 setting. It's been said milions of times, all of this would be totally fine in a modern shooter not WW2 themed.
  • pinchylillobster
    964 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Seems fine to me. If women in a video game they have never claimed to be a 100% historically accurate depiction of WWII is a deal breaker, why would you buy it?

    Also, listening to the community does not mean agreeing with the community. They take our feedback, but they're by no means required to act on it.
  • StarscreamUK
    7269 postsMember, Moderator, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Moderator
    swimming suit.... really... you think there is going to be a swimming suit in bfv?

    nba are licensed players, they paid for their likeness and names, so they cant allow you to change those.
  • Loqtrall
    12020 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Seems fine to me. If women in a video game they have never claimed to be a 100% historically accurate depiction of WWII is a deal breaker, why would you buy it?

    Also, listening to the community does not mean agreeing with the community. They take our feedback, but they're by no means required to act on it.

    Couldn't have said it better.
  • Zviko0
    1619 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited June 2018
    Also, listening to the community does not mean agreeing with the community. They take our feedback, but they're by no means required to act on it.

    No but why wouldn't they. Are you listening to yourself? If you were game developer and community wanted soemthing but you don't agree and give them something else instead, then you are a very bad businessman.
    swimming suit.... really... you think there is going to be a swimming suit in bfv?

    nba are licensed players, they paid for their likeness and names, so they cant allow you to change those.

    Yes I wanted to mention licensing and copyrights as one of the "factors" but since this is Battlefield and I just gave an example and didn't litetally mean that for NBA, I thought someone like you would understand my point......
  • TEKNOCODE
    10793 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Zviko0 wrote: »
    Also, listening to the community does not mean agreeing with the community. They take our feedback, but they're by no means required to act on it.

    No but why wouldn't they. Are you listening to yourself? If you were game developer and community wanted soemthing but you don't agree and give them something else instead, then you are a very bad businessman.

    A small portion of the community. Many community members want this level of customization.
  • Loqtrall
    12020 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Zviko0 wrote: »
    Also, listening to the community does not mean agreeing with the community. They take our feedback, but they're by no means required to act on it.

    No but why wouldn't they. Are you listening to yourself? If you were game developer and community wanted soemthing but you don't agree and give them something else instead, then you are a very bad businessman.

    They gave the community the player customization they wanted - they just did it in a BF game set in ww2 so an irrational group of people are now insisting this should be the one BF game with a focus on historical accuracy in one specific feature, despite the fact we just had a year and a half of a blatantly historically inaccurate ww1 game with similar historically inaccurate player models.
  • jlayton1982
    152 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    It's an entertainment computer game not a historical documentary set during WW2 for **** sake.

    You don't like it, then take your custom elsewhere.
  • YourLocalPlumber
    2790 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited June 2018
    INB4 feminists cry about "Bad treatment of woman in a Battlefield games" as they did in other games.

    But the fact that its forced diversity is here and we cannot do anything about it. Welcome to 2018.
  • Zviko0
    1619 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    TEKNOCODE wrote: »
    Zviko0 wrote: »
    Also, listening to the community does not mean agreeing with the community. They take our feedback, but they're by no means required to act on it.

    No but why wouldn't they. Are you listening to yourself? If you were game developer and community wanted soemthing but you don't agree and give them something else instead, then you are a very bad businessman.

    A small portion of the community. Many community members want this level of customization.

    Again, can you show me the numbers? How do you guys know which is the majority? The other guy in the other thread, which is now closed, said because there aren't 12.5mil people complaining. Is that your clue too? Because think about how stupid that sounds. If 25mil people bought BF1 there should be 12.5mil complaining here so we are "the majority"? There arent even 0.008% people on this forum then if 25mil bought BF1....
  • Khaotik707
    584 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    This game is going to have a lot of man on woman violence, that's not very PC now is it? ;)
  • YourLocalPlumber
    2790 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited June 2018
    INB4 feminists cry about "Bad treatment of woman in a Battlefield games" as they did in other games. I can already see players dragging dead women bodies and throwing them off the cliff or into the water and then SJWs will see those videos and be like "REMOVE WOMEN FROM BF5"

    But the fact that its forced diversity is here and we cannot do anything about it. Welcome to 2018.

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