Article from EA's chief creative explaining to either 'accept women are in the game or don't buy it'

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  • Loqtrall
    12468 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Loqtrall

    I guess, people may actually choose, do they want to play as black or white sniper as a german in BF 1, right? Don't be ridiculous.

    Thing is, that Valve and Blizzard and all others, they do customistaion right in their games, so, even if it adds totaly zero value to the game, it doesn't damage it in any shape of form too, when if customisation is done wrong, like in BF V, it stilll adds zero value to the game, but damages the game at the same time. Do you like to have your game damaged for no reason?

    And women are not authentic to the Western front of WWII. Eastern front, soviet women in army and partisans - fine. On Western front, UK Spec Ops, Wehrmacht - it's same bs as adding stormtroopers from Star Wars in the game. Why do you try to make yourself think otherwise - beyond my understanding.

    What the hell does that first statement even mean? You have to play as a black scout on the German team, no matter what map you're playing. It's just as historically inaccurate as lacking the option to disable seeing women on the frontlines in BF5.

    They literally equate with one another, they both pertain directly to the aesthetic presentation of player models in a game based on historical events.

    The mere notion the two don't equate is downright laughable.

    And valve and blizzard are doing customization in the SAME EXACT WAY - purely cosmetic and fitting the setting of the game from an authentic standpoint. The cosmetic customization in bf5 does not negatively effect gameplay in any way, shape, or for. It negatively effects your views on ww2 games specifically.

    Secondly, customization items in Tf2 DEFINITELY effect the game and are nearly required to be purchased.

    The mere notion a purely cosmetic item "damaging" gameplay is more laughable than your claims against the comparison above.

    And it doesn't matter what front it is.

    The STG44 is not authentic specifically to the early-war battles shown off in BF5 that happened before the STG was even used. In that regard its historically inaccurate, unrealistic, and inauthentic to have in BF5. But it is authentic to ww2 OVERALL, and per the norm for ALL BF games thus far, it makes sense that it's still in the game. And yet it's STILL used unrealistically because it's not a faction locked weapon.

    A more sensible comparison would be adding Ewoks as a playable class in the OG trilogy side of SWBF, despite them not fighting in all the battles portrayed in the game. The Ewoks would still be authentic to star wars, but they'd be portrayed inaccurately and unrealistically compared to what happened in the films, and the only place it would make realistic sense to see them is on Endor.
  • Zviko0
    1718 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    AGAS-UY wrote: »
    Solid_Kas wrote: »
    Tullzter wrote: »
    Solid_Kas wrote: »
    https://imgur.com/gallery/ZR7eP0W

    Find me some non authentic stuff in this pic that doesnt match the WW2 era.

    All German issued helmets had the eagle and swastika imprinted on them..doubt we will see that in the game

    **** the swastika and **** the **** i prefer playing as a woman rather than having this trash as an emblem on my soldier

    What's wrong with the swastika and the eagle? Why can't you see them? Do they offend you? Dude, it happened, it's history, you can ignore it all you want but I suggest you try and LEARN from it, dont sweep it under the rug.

    If you are going to be offended for every symbol responsible for the deaths of millions, then you should start by taking down the american flag in your front yard, or the british flag, or the belgian flag, or that religious cross in your living room, and so on and so on.

    I want you for the President of Germany.
  • disposalist
    8958 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.
  • Magnus2x
    9 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.

    Uhm no sweetie
  • SumwhatKrazy
    557 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I wish the Japanese would make a good fps game. Anime girls and panty shots.
  • Tullzter
    1271 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.

    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive
  • VBALL_MVP
    6177 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Solid_Kas wrote: »
    https://imgur.com/gallery/ZR7eP0W

    Find me some non authentic stuff in this pic that doesnt match the WW2 era.

    They are in color.

    Boo ya!
  • von_Campenstein
    6621 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Tullzter wrote: »
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.

    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive

    Not on here they haven't, this place is for debate and growing a case for someone to run over and post on Reddit or Twitter.
  • Tullzter
    1271 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Tullzter wrote: »
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.

    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive

    Not on here they haven't, this place is for debate and growing a case for someone to run over and post on Reddit or Twitter.

    A person from EA answered me just this morning on this forum when i asked a question about Alpha
  • herodes87
    1290 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    I wish the Japanese would make a good fps game. Anime girls and panty shots.

    Would be great! But no its to offensive These days.

    Back to the article. After Reading that i will Just buy the Game used. No more Day1 buy for EA Games. I have been a good customer with buying Day1 and Premium. But that Changes from now on.
  • von_Campenstein
    6621 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Tullzter wrote: »
    Tullzter wrote: »
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.

    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive

    Not on here they haven't, this place is for debate and growing a case for someone to run over and post on Reddit or Twitter.

    A person from EA answered me just this morning on this forum when i asked a question about Alpha

    I though you were talking about DICE not EA, I don't give a flying rats tushy about EA.
  • disposalist
    8958 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    Tullzter wrote: »
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.
    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive
    Of course you're allowed to and of course it's not useless, until it becomes repeated spam from the same people and isn't related to the OP and is being discussed in other threads ad nauseum.
  • Ourgekj
    5 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.

    If people had didn't cried about battlefront 2 it would still be a P2W
  • MissCommissar
    403 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    Tullzter wrote: »
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.
    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive
    Of course you're allowed to and of course it's not useless, until it becomes repeated spam from the same people and isn't related to the OP and is being discussed in other threads ad nauseum.

    Well, if opposed side would be able to listen and understand, instead of sitting behind the "it's just a game" wall, then there would be no repeated spam at all.

    Just sayin...
  • -aarp-19Crib
    764 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    The whole argument is silly. You are an anonymous cartoon character. That's it. That's all.

    For realism, most women in WW2 were factory workers, snipers, nurses, and hookers. Which cartoon character to you want to be today? A drunk? Fine. Dude with a peg leg? No prob. You are a cartoon. You are not real. You are choosing an artists idea of what you want to look like.
    Crikey.

    In one Quake game long ago, I was a Snoopy character (it was a harmless hack, but every time Snoopy died he whined... LOL!). I coulda sold it.

    So chill out. The snipers with aim assist bots and magic pistols will be taking the fun out of the game soon enough.
  • disposalist
    8958 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    Tullzter wrote: »
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.
    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive
    Of course you're allowed to and of course it's not useless, until it becomes repeated spam from the same people and isn't related to the OP and is being discussed in other threads ad nauseum.

    Well, if opposed side would be able to listen and understand, instead of sitting behind the "it's just a game" wall, then there would be no repeated spam at all.

    Just sayin...
    And on and on...
  • Dogwoggle11
    2678 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Tullzter wrote: »
    And now this thread too has become a circuit of the same few people making the same few arguments. People's logic and reasoning or ignorance and willful denial are obviously not going to change.

    DICE has made their position utterly clear.

    The crying is pointless.

    The arguing is pointless.

    Let's move on a talk about other stuff? Or at least get back to the OP if that really needs further comment.
    What's the point in having a forum if you're not allowed to voice or debate an opinion?

    Dice in the past has listened to it's gamerbase and it will continue on doing so. so no, it's not useless or futile, it's constructive
    Of course you're allowed to and of course it's not useless, until it becomes repeated spam from the same people and isn't related to the OP and is being discussed in other threads ad nauseum.

    Well, if opposed side would be able to listen and understand, instead of sitting behind the "it's just a game" wall, then there would be no repeated spam at all.

    Just sayin...

    Oh, the irony...
  • MikeManiac61
    718 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    So looking at all of the pages, are people upset because their vision of WW2 isn't what they expected?
  • MissCommissar
    403 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    So looking at all of the pages, are people upset because their vision of WW2 isn't what they expected?

    Kinda yea. Everyone expected BF V to be serious game about WWII, and what we are going to get is... the game, which can't decide, on what side of history it stands - closer to Wolfenstein or to BF 1942. That kinda makes people uncomfortable, cos they don't really understand, what happens here. We saw a clown fiesta in reveal trailer, but we were suppoused to take that seriously... It's confusing af.
  • TEKNOCODE
    11592 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    So looking at all of the pages, are people upset because their vision of WW2 isn't what they expected?

    Kinda yea. Everyone expected BF V to be serious game about WWII, and what we are going to get is... the game, which can't decide, on what side of history it stands - closer to Wolfenstein or to BF 1942. That kinda makes people uncomfortable, cos they don't really understand, what happens here. We saw a clown fiesta in reveal trailer, but we were suppoused to take that seriously... It's confusing af.
    Clowns? Where?

    Confusing? It’s clear as day.
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