Bolt action rifles nerf is stupid

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  • naitch44
    666 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    C4LIVE wrote: »
    You trying to make a Bf1 scout game again..no thanks! NERF the hell of them! (about time!)

    So bfv should be an assault fest once again like bf3/bf4? No thanks, seen that crap already and got sick of it.

    You called it.

    BF5 is absolutely an assault fest, with a sprinkling of support and the odd medic/ recon who don't realise how trash their class is yet B)
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    I mean, literally just look at your own stats.

    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/PEZZALUCIFER/overview

    It seems pretty apparent, that even for you, assault is the much better class. You kill more and die less as assault. Thus taking more tickets from the enemy and losing less for your team in return. And it's obvious which class is better suited to fighting on the objective as well.

    It's the same for me, and I've mained recon since BF3.

    The thing is, as you get better with recon, you also tend to get better with everything else as well. Which makes sense considering the other classes (except maybe medic with their lackluster SMGs) are a lot easier to do well with. So that gap in performance just remains the same.

    Even in BF1 where bolt actions are much stronger and I've got 170.5 hours as scout, I still did better quite a lot better with assault which I only had 73 hours of play time with.

    This is what mine in BFV look like: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/Sixclicks/overview
    You can find my BF1 stats in my signature.

    Assault did take a hit for me recently as I put away the G43 and started focusing on the M1907 though. I was at a 2.90 a couple of days ago.
  • ashar_saleem121
    1399 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    My dude. I'm sorry but you are not a good scout player. Even on BF1 you were average at best. I don't mean to stat bash. The only reason I bring this up is so that you listen to people who individually have at least twice as much experience as you using the class. These people know what they are talking about. Anyone who actually plays scout aggressively is in agreement on this. Disagreeing simply shows your bias.

    You showing off a single clip where you are shooting stationary targets in the head does not prove anything. I could also show you a clip where it took 3 shots to kill someone at around 50meters. Conversely, I could show you a clip on BF1 with me getting MVP with the Carcano on Argonne forest conquest.

    If we only played the class the way you did in that clip, we would be camping most of the time and praying for someone to sit still long enough so thay we could pot shot them.

    The bolt action rifles are objectively bad for PTFO play. They just are. You cant tell people who are much more experienced than you to git gud. It just doesnt make sense. No amount of practice allows you to hit headshots 100% of the time in close quarters.

    Meanwhile the ranged superiority that should exist for the class, doesnt exist here because you took away random spread, gave everyone 3x scopes with no glint and made their DPS insanely high.
  • xx_Dante2k_xx
    638 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    It gets worse when you realize iron sight infantry rifles are in an even worse state and aren't competitive at all in medium range.

    So we basically nerfed bolt actions then forced them into the back where they deal with muzzle velocity and damage nerfs. This is really incompetent design

    Isn't the Enfield basically the same as say the Carcano from BF1? Same 2 hit kill unless a head shot and the same re chamber time.
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    It gets worse when you realize iron sight infantry rifles are in an even worse state and aren't competitive at all in medium range.

    So we basically nerfed bolt actions then forced them into the back where they deal with muzzle velocity and damage nerfs. This is really incompetent design

    Isn't the Enfield basically the same as say the Carcano from BF1? Same 2 hit kill unless a head shot and the same re chamber time.

    In terms of damage, not really.

    The Carcano has a max damage of 85. The min damage is about the same as the Enfield's though. The Enfield I believe has a max damage of 60. Maybe 65 if they changed it since the beta.

    However, the range until it reaches min damage is twice that of the Enfield. So you do more damage at a much longer range with it.

    Velocity and fire rate are about the same though.

    The higher damage of the Carcano helps a lot for more aggressive play.

    So the Enfield is like a Carcano with 30% less damage at close range and half the range before dropoff to minimum.

    At the range that the Enfield drops to its minimum of 55 damage, the Carcano still does 72 damage.
  • ashar_saleem121
    1399 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    It gets worse when you realize iron sight infantry rifles are in an even worse state and aren't competitive at all in medium range.

    So we basically nerfed bolt actions then forced them into the back where they deal with muzzle velocity and damage nerfs. This is really incompetent design

    Isn't the Enfield basically the same as say the Carcano from BF1? Same 2 hit kill unless a head shot and the same re chamber time.

    In terms of damage, not really.

    The Carcano has a max damage of 85. The min damage is about the same as the Enfield's though. The Enfield I believe has a max damage of 60. Maybe 65 if they changed it since the beta.

    However, the range until it reaches min damage is twice that of the Enfield. So you do more damage at a much longer range with it.

    Velocity and fire rate are about the same though.

    The higher damage of the Carcano helps a lot for more aggressive play.

    So the Enfield is like a Carcano with 30% less damage at close range and half the range before dropoff to minimum.

    At the range that the Enfield drops to its minimum of 55 damage, the Carcano still does 72 damage.

    Not to mention the fact that all the other classes can single frame you before you get the second shot off. Scout balancing isnt something to be done in a vacuum. Balance is with respect to the other classes in the game
  • GP-Caliber
    651 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    lol dude you are garbage. i kill twice as many people as you in a game and thats a fact.
  • xx_Dante2k_xx
    638 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    It gets worse when you realize iron sight infantry rifles are in an even worse state and aren't competitive at all in medium range.

    So we basically nerfed bolt actions then forced them into the back where they deal with muzzle velocity and damage nerfs. This is really incompetent design

    Isn't the Enfield basically the same as say the Carcano from BF1? Same 2 hit kill unless a head shot and the same re chamber time.

    In terms of damage, not really.

    The Carcano has a max damage of 85. The min damage is about the same as the Enfield's though. The Enfield I believe has a max damage of 60. Maybe 65 if they changed it since the beta.

    However, the range until it reaches min damage is twice that of the Enfield. So you do more damage at a much longer range with it.

    Velocity and fire rate are about the same though.

    The higher damage of the Carcano helps a lot for more aggressive play.

    So the Enfield is like a Carcano with 30% less damage at close range and half the range before dropoff to minimum.

    At the range that the Enfield drops to its minimum of 55 damage, the Carcano still does 72 damage.

    Thanks for the stats 👍. I can't see why the Enfield couldn't be buffed to that of the Carcano for that type of aggressive gameplay.
  • WhiteRabbit_swe
    619 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The ZH-29 is honestly a better sniper rifle than any bolt action. Why even bother going for headshots. And it's not even an issue if the enemy immediately uses their bandages since you don't need to spend 3/4 of a second chambering another round just to follow up your shot. Even if they're taking advantage of the absurdly fast strafe speed in the game to dodge your shots (as is all so common when trying to line up a headshot with a bolt action), it won't matter because you've got 5 rounds which you can fire in the time it takes you to fire 2 rounds with a bolt action.
    So use the ZH-29...?

    I think you're playing recon wrong if you're worried about someone strafe dodging your shots and healing.

    The primary purpose of recon is stealth. If you want to charge into battle pick a different class.

    If you want to run around 1 shotting with a bolt action, or 1 shot with rifle then spray secondary maybe battlefield isn't the game for you.

    Battlefield is class based, this means that various classes have different strengths and weaknesses.

    Recon's primary strength is the ability to find enemies with the spot flare, and kill them in 1 shot to the head from any range; no other class can do that.

    but but assault can do this, support can do that but but but... NOOOOO! You're doing it wrong.

    High damage in 1 shot to the body at any range is not difficult or balanced no matter how you try to spin it.

    Maybe COD is the game for you? 360 no scopes ftw!?

    Stealth lol... that must be why glint is like a miniature sun every time you ADS.

    And the flare is absolute garbage by the way. It's been nerfed to irrelevance.

    And yeah, assault and support can literally snipe in this game.

    Recon's role is to get chewed up by assault and support while taking out a few stationary targets here and there.

    And I never said I wanted to run around and one shot everyone. Following up your rifle shot with your secondary for the kill has been a staple in BF for a while now.

    Much higher damage with bolt actions has also been what every previous BF included. BF4 even had a close ranged one hit kill to the chest as well on every bolt action in the game.

    BFV has the lowest bolt action damage of any BF game, the most bullet drop, and the slowest bullets at longer ranges. So don't give me that "this is Battlefield" nonsense.

    Don't use a 6x if you don't want glint. 3x is more than enough, you think assaults can snipe.. that's what they get but they can't kill in one shot at any range.

    Flare is fine, shoot it in the air.

    Following up your rifle shot with your secondary is cheap and you know it.

    Much higher damage with bolt actions has been around, yes, but it's cheap. The only thing that differentiated the class from others in previous games was the gadgets.

    BF5 is not those other games.

    I've only used this gun for at most 2 hours.. it's not even funny how easy it is. I added a bit to the end to show how easy it is to be stealthy in this game too; if you don't move it's like you don't exist.

    Hahahha, worst camping Ive ever seen, you camp with a iron rifle and shoot at stationairy targets, in a attempt to convince us that sniper rifles are ok... You fail horrible too at it... It is obvious to me and everybody else that actually main sniper in battlefield, that you play with another class normally (I bet its assault), only a Assault can play that bad, and be crazy enough to show it to everyone on the forum... Come back and post a close range encounter with iron rifles against enemy, instead of showing us this, if bolt action rifle is fine, then come back here and show us how you succed with it in close range while not camping and actually ptfo... If not, then its time for you to leave this thread... show video of close range ptfo with bolt action rifle, while killing enemies and not camping, or go away already...
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    I mean, literally just look at your own stats.

    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/PEZZALUCIFER/overview

    It seems pretty apparent, that even for you, assault is the much better class. You kill more and die less as assault. Thus taking more tickets from the enemy and losing less for your team in return. And it's obvious which class is better suited to fighting on the objective as well.

    It's the same for me, and I've mained recon since BF3.

    The thing is, as you get better with recon, you also tend to get better with everything else as well. Which makes sense considering the other classes (except maybe medic with their lackluster SMGs) are a lot easier to do well with. So that gap in performance just remains the same.

    Even in BF1 where bolt actions are much stronger and I've got 170.5 hours as scout, I still did better quite a lot better with assault which I only had 73 hours of play time with.

    This is what mine in BFV look like: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/Sixclicks/overview
    You can find my BF1 stats in my signature.

    Assault did take a hit for me recently as I put away the G43 and started focusing on the M1907 though. I was at a 2.90 a couple of days ago.

    I looked, we have the same kpm on the lee enfield and you are on PC while i'm on console using a controller with no aim assist :D

    You have an even lower kpm with the M95.

    You accuse me of being bad, slow, not helping my team? Wow, look in the mirror.

    Our overall SPM is nearly the same... I wouldn't even use that to compare tho.
    Our overall win % is nearly the same.. I wouldn't use that either.

    All these stats tell me is you're worse with a bolt action on pc than someone who has used them at least half as long on console without aim assist.

    No wonder you are here whining about bolt actions, you need more practice. :D

    GG.
  • ashar_saleem121
    1399 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    I mean, literally just look at your own stats.

    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/PEZZALUCIFER/overview

    It seems pretty apparent, that even for you, assault is the much better class. You kill more and die less as assault. Thus taking more tickets from the enemy and losing less for your team in return. And it's obvious which class is better suited to fighting on the objective as well.

    It's the same for me, and I've mained recon since BF3.

    The thing is, as you get better with recon, you also tend to get better with everything else as well. Which makes sense considering the other classes (except maybe medic with their lackluster SMGs) are a lot easier to do well with. So that gap in performance just remains the same.

    Even in BF1 where bolt actions are much stronger and I've got 170.5 hours as scout, I still did better quite a lot better with assault which I only had 73 hours of play time with.

    This is what mine in BFV look like: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/Sixclicks/overview
    You can find my BF1 stats in my signature.

    Assault did take a hit for me recently as I put away the G43 and started focusing on the M1907 though. I was at a 2.90 a couple of days ago.

    I looked, we have the same kpm on the lee enfield and you are on PC while i'm on console using a controller with no aim assist :D

    You have an even lower kpm with the M95.

    You accuse me of being bad, slow, not helping my team? Wow, look in the mirror.

    Our overall SPM is nearly the same... I wouldn't even use that to compare tho.
    Our overall win % is nearly the same.. I wouldn't use that either.

    All these stats tell me is you're worse with a bolt action on pc than someone who has used them at least half as long on console without aim assist.

    No wonder you are here whining about bolt actions, you need more practice. :D

    GG.

    Lol. Are you seriously trying to compare your sniping ability to Sixclicks? You don't even compare favorably to me on BF1 my dude. Where sniping was actually feasible.
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    I mean, literally just look at your own stats.

    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/PEZZALUCIFER/overview

    It seems pretty apparent, that even for you, assault is the much better class. You kill more and die less as assault. Thus taking more tickets from the enemy and losing less for your team in return. And it's obvious which class is better suited to fighting on the objective as well.

    It's the same for me, and I've mained recon since BF3.

    The thing is, as you get better with recon, you also tend to get better with everything else as well. Which makes sense considering the other classes (except maybe medic with their lackluster SMGs) are a lot easier to do well with. So that gap in performance just remains the same.

    Even in BF1 where bolt actions are much stronger and I've got 170.5 hours as scout, I still did better quite a lot better with assault which I only had 73 hours of play time with.

    This is what mine in BFV look like: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/Sixclicks/overview
    You can find my BF1 stats in my signature.

    Assault did take a hit for me recently as I put away the G43 and started focusing on the M1907 though. I was at a 2.90 a couple of days ago.

    I looked, we have the same kpm on the lee enfield and you are on PC while i'm on console using a controller with no aim assist :D

    You have an even lower kpm with the M95.

    You accuse me of being bad, slow, not helping my team? Wow, look in the mirror.

    Our overall SPM is nearly the same... I wouldn't even use that to compare tho.
    Our overall win % is nearly the same.. I wouldn't use that either.

    All these stats tell me is you're worse with a bolt action on pc than someone who has used them at least half as long on console without aim assist.

    No wonder you are here whining about bolt actions, you need more practice. :D

    GG.

    Being on PC doesn't make sniping much easier. While I may be faster to line up a headshot with a mouse, everyone strafes back and forth a lot more (aka ADAD spam) and is also a lot faster to get on target as well.

    My KDR with each class is above yours.

    And I don't sit in a bush being a useless drain on the team like yourself.

    All anyone has to do is watch that video you posted and I bet most of them would say, "I don't want you in my squad." You play entirely different from me.

    I play aggressively with my squad. If anything, the low KPM shows recon is not suited well to PTFO.

    When you start playing on the objective and actually exposing yourself to danger instead of playing bush simulator, get back to me.
  • GP-Caliber
    651 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    I mean, literally just look at your own stats.

    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/PEZZALUCIFER/overview

    It seems pretty apparent, that even for you, assault is the much better class. You kill more and die less as assault. Thus taking more tickets from the enemy and losing less for your team in return. And it's obvious which class is better suited to fighting on the objective as well.

    It's the same for me, and I've mained recon since BF3.

    The thing is, as you get better with recon, you also tend to get better with everything else as well. Which makes sense considering the other classes (except maybe medic with their lackluster SMGs) are a lot easier to do well with. So that gap in performance just remains the same.

    Even in BF1 where bolt actions are much stronger and I've got 170.5 hours as scout, I still did better quite a lot better with assault which I only had 73 hours of play time with.

    This is what mine in BFV look like: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/Sixclicks/overview
    You can find my BF1 stats in my signature.

    Assault did take a hit for me recently as I put away the G43 and started focusing on the M1907 though. I was at a 2.90 a couple of days ago.

    I looked, we have the same kpm on the lee enfield and you are on PC while i'm on console using a controller with no aim assist :D

    You have an even lower kpm with the M95.

    You accuse me of being bad, slow, not helping my team? Wow, look in the mirror.

    Our overall SPM is nearly the same... I wouldn't even use that to compare tho.
    Our overall win % is nearly the same.. I wouldn't use that either.

    All these stats tell me is you're worse with a bolt action on pc than someone who has used them at least half as long on console without aim assist.

    No wonder you are here whining about bolt actions, you need more practice. :D

    GG.

    stats are irrelevant if you've seen the video.
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    I mean, literally just look at your own stats.

    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/PEZZALUCIFER/overview

    It seems pretty apparent, that even for you, assault is the much better class. You kill more and die less as assault. Thus taking more tickets from the enemy and losing less for your team in return. And it's obvious which class is better suited to fighting on the objective as well.

    It's the same for me, and I've mained recon since BF3.

    The thing is, as you get better with recon, you also tend to get better with everything else as well. Which makes sense considering the other classes (except maybe medic with their lackluster SMGs) are a lot easier to do well with. So that gap in performance just remains the same.

    Even in BF1 where bolt actions are much stronger and I've got 170.5 hours as scout, I still did better quite a lot better with assault which I only had 73 hours of play time with.

    This is what mine in BFV look like: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/Sixclicks/overview
    You can find my BF1 stats in my signature.

    Assault did take a hit for me recently as I put away the G43 and started focusing on the M1907 though. I was at a 2.90 a couple of days ago.

    I looked, we have the same kpm on the lee enfield and you are on PC while i'm on console using a controller with no aim assist :D

    You have an even lower kpm with the M95.

    You accuse me of being bad, slow, not helping my team? Wow, look in the mirror.

    Our overall SPM is nearly the same... I wouldn't even use that to compare tho.
    Our overall win % is nearly the same.. I wouldn't use that either.

    All these stats tell me is you're worse with a bolt action on pc than someone who has used them at least half as long on console without aim assist.

    No wonder you are here whining about bolt actions, you need more practice. :D

    GG.

    Being on PC doesn't make sniping much easier. While I may be faster to line up a headshot with a mouse, everyone strafes back and forth a lot more (aka ADAD spam) and is also a lot faster to get on target as well.

    My KDR with each class is above yours.

    And I don't sit in a bush being a useless drain on the team like yourself.

    All anyone has to do is watch that video you posted and I bet most of them would say, "I don't want you in my squad." You play entirely different from me.

    I play aggressively with my squad. If anything, the low KPM shows recon is not suited well to PTFO.

    When you start playing on the objective and actually exposing yourself to danger instead of playing bush simulator, get back to me.

    I can see by your stats that being on pc doesn't make sniping easier for you. :D

    Not the best round ever, but we won, I got top 3 and still a noob. lmao
    ptfoleeenfield.jpg?dl=1
  • GP-Caliber
    651 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    The video only shows how easy it is to kill guys after 2 hours, it doesn't show 200 hours of experience. After 200 hours i'll be hitting headshots on the move at medium range no problems whatsoever and people will be crying for nerfs.

    Unlike you guys I can see the massive potential of the weapons and the class.

    If you think taking 4 tickets in under 30 seconds and preventing an entire squad from capturing an objective isn't helping your team , then again you just don't know how to play the game and is the main reason for all the complaining.

    The video doesn't show me capturing objectives, and it shouldn't, the complaint is that the rifles are nerfed.. As shown in the video they aren't that bad even in the hands of a noob.

    If you guys were as good as you claim, then you simply wouldn't be in here complaining, you would be playing the game and doing well.. but you aren't. It says a lot.

    The funniest part of this thread is thinking that better players would be able to see me while they aren't looking at me, while i'm sitting still and not firing.. they must have thermal vision in the back of their heads, what specialisation is that? :D

    GG, get off the forums and go practice instead of whinging, you might get better.

    I mean, literally just look at your own stats.

    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/PEZZALUCIFER/overview

    It seems pretty apparent, that even for you, assault is the much better class. You kill more and die less as assault. Thus taking more tickets from the enemy and losing less for your team in return. And it's obvious which class is better suited to fighting on the objective as well.

    It's the same for me, and I've mained recon since BF3.

    The thing is, as you get better with recon, you also tend to get better with everything else as well. Which makes sense considering the other classes (except maybe medic with their lackluster SMGs) are a lot easier to do well with. So that gap in performance just remains the same.

    Even in BF1 where bolt actions are much stronger and I've got 170.5 hours as scout, I still did better quite a lot better with assault which I only had 73 hours of play time with.

    This is what mine in BFV look like: https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/origin/Sixclicks/overview
    You can find my BF1 stats in my signature.

    Assault did take a hit for me recently as I put away the G43 and started focusing on the M1907 though. I was at a 2.90 a couple of days ago.

    I looked, we have the same kpm on the lee enfield and you are on PC while i'm on console using a controller with no aim assist :D

    You have an even lower kpm with the M95.

    You accuse me of being bad, slow, not helping my team? Wow, look in the mirror.

    Our overall SPM is nearly the same... I wouldn't even use that to compare tho.
    Our overall win % is nearly the same.. I wouldn't use that either.

    All these stats tell me is you're worse with a bolt action on pc than someone who has used them at least half as long on console without aim assist.

    No wonder you are here whining about bolt actions, you need more practice. :D

    GG.

    Being on PC doesn't make sniping much easier. While I may be faster to line up a headshot with a mouse, everyone strafes back and forth a lot more (aka ADAD spam) and is also a lot faster to get on target as well.

    My KDR with each class is above yours.

    And I don't sit in a bush being a useless drain on the team like yourself.

    All anyone has to do is watch that video you posted and I bet most of them would say, "I don't want you in my squad." You play entirely different from me.

    I play aggressively with my squad. If anything, the low KPM shows recon is not suited well to PTFO.

    When you start playing on the objective and actually exposing yourself to danger instead of playing bush simulator, get back to me.

    I can see by your stats that being on pc doesn't make sniping easier for you. :D

    who cares about stats. i am pretty sure he will make a lot better clips than you.
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    So where's the video of that game then? Or were you just playing bush simulator against a bunch of noobs again?
  • GP-Caliber
    651 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    So where's the video of that game then? Or were you just playing bush simulator against a bunch of noobs again?

    notice how he only brings up stats if they are in his favor.
  • Sixclicks
    5075 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited November 2018
    More kills than you. Less deaths. And more points. I got on just now to literally play one game just to show you. I wasn't even there for the whole match.

    Enfield. 3x Scope. Rotterdam. We won. First game of the day before I head off to the bars.

    score-Enfield.png

    Here's one particularly dirty short clip from the game. I might clip more later from it when I've got more time. Gotta go pick up a friend.



    Threw the knife not really expecting to land that headshot.
  • PEZZALUCIFER
    1044 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sixclicks wrote: »
    More kills than you. Less deaths. And more points. I got on just now to literally play one game just to show you. I wasn't even there for the whole match.

    Enfield. 3x Scope. Rotterdam. We won. First game of the day before I head off to the bars.

    score-Enfield.png

    Here's one particularly dirty short clip from the game. I might clip more later from it when I've got more time. Gotta go pick up a friend.



    Threw the knife not really expecting to land that headshot.

    Look at that, easy as, one shot and done. You did well that round too.

    What are you complaining about again?

    I'm loving the lee enfield with iron sights, and hitting headshots on moving targets pretty easily now too.

    Bayonet on devastation is hilarious.

    It's harder to use than the assault weapons no doubt, but imo that just makes it more fun.

    Why don't you just use the kar98 or the krag if you want more damage to the body?
  • Amiral_Benson
    2 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I played this new BFV version of the recon class, and it feels really unrewarding. Pretty much all what I'm gonna said have been said already, just adding my feedback to the pile for the dev.

    I understand what they tried to do by disabling the health auto-regen, but back-pedalling and giving everyone a self heal pouch defeated the changes they made for recon in the first place.
    Recon deals really low damage now, and it was supposed to be compensate by having lots of people running at low health, but the instant self heal defeated that.

    Now it takes on average 3 hit to kill someone, because after the first hit, they heal themselves. Landing the second hit always been the challenge in BF, players taking cover after the 1st hit, having to land 3 now makes the class very weak.
    The damages are that low, that the classic play-style of finishing your target with your secondary weapon is not fast enough any more. The other classes are really good at killing you very fast and accurately at medium range.

    The fact that a trait spot your target on your first hit, and the fact you're gonna probably need 3 hit, gives enough time for your teammates to finish off your target before you actually can, and because you deal so low damage, you're not even going to get an Assist count as kill, so very unrewarding indeed.

    The game sound of a kill, while it used to be unbelievably well made in BF1, is really strange in BFV, it looks more like you're getting hit than having a cool congratulation sound of a confirmed kill.

    I like the fullscreen dirty scopes, well made. But I find the weapons skins completely underwhelming compared to the beautiful ones of BF1, that really served as a goal.

    So overall, the class can still play the objective, but is weak and really unrewarding, and not as fun and motivating.
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