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Nerfed the Bomber to Death and Airplanes in General. You Crossed the Line

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hawk79_360
56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
edited December 6
I have always loved all battlefield games, and I always recommend it to all my friends and encourage them to buy it, but now I am really upset with batllefield V, due to the bombers nerfing. I could have understand nerfing it just a tad, but now there are too many restrictions, and the worst is the bombs cooldown. I could live with the fact that instead of 32 50kg bombs, now is just 16, fine no problem. It also feels (and I am quite sure) they also nerf the passengers machine gun, because it doesn't do as much damage to fighters attacking me, it was already difficult fending them off, now it's near impossible, but you know, I "could" live with that too. There seems to be another restriction (and least it has happen to me more than once) if you don't throw all your bombs into your objective, and you have some remaining, when you go to reload them, it doesn't let you take a full load, don't know if this is a bug or if it is, like I said, yet another restriction. But you know what I could live with that "as well" BUT THE DAMN COOLDOWN is JUST DUMB, it makes you an even bigger target (A SITTING DUCK) for fighters to take you down, while you fly in circles waiting for the bombs to be ready. I am sorry but what the HELL is up with that. And for any one that thinks that my issue with this is because I can't play in some other role, you would be wrong, I like playing all roles, assault/support/medic/recon/tanker and I am at least above average. But here is the thing, from time to time, I LOVE being a pilot, and when I am flying and being a bomber pilot, I WOULD LIKE TO ENJOY IT. Now I don't see the point. I din't bought this game just to be a foot soldier, I bought it because it also has (had) great airplane gameplay, I really hope at the very least they take out the cooldown in the next patch. DICE I HOPE you are listening and do something about this, I have been with you since bad company 2, and now regardlees of the issues with battlefield V, I have been sticking with you and will continue to do so, but If you don't fix this so we can have not only great ground gameplay but also great FLYNG/AIRPLANE GAMEPLAY experience, it would mean a deal breaker.
Thanks for your time and hopefully you will do something.

[Mod edit : please do not use ALL CAPS in your thread title]
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Comments

  • hawk79_360
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    I understand some in the battlefield community complaint about bombers and airplanes in general, so I understand why you felt like nerfing them (airplanes in general) but you (DICE) have to remember, you are selling us NOT only an infantry based game.
    You (DICE) sold us a game that includes a flying gameplay experience, and I for one would like not enjoy that experience. Because if you are going to nerf airplanes gameplay experience to where it becomes pointless using them. Then next time make ONLY an infantry based game and ofcourse, more likely than not, I won't be buying it.
    I like a game where you have multiple gameplay roles. (AIR / LAND / SEA) and for all these roles to be enjoyable, and satisfactory, for the ones taking each role.
    Yet again if you paying attention and specially if you will do something about it, THANK YOU.
  • hawk79_360
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    The bomber was way OP...but I also think there were too many nerfs: Cooldown, less bombs, better Anti-Air...it's now complely useless. Two of the three nerfs would have been enough in my opinion.

    Probably right about being OP. but they went to far, with what you said, too many nerfs.
    I mean, they could keep all the nerfs except one, they need to take out the cooldown. In other words NO COOLDOWN TIME. Oh, and if it's not too much to ask, restore the power of the passenger machine gun, so we can at least fend the fighters off our backs, because it is not like as we could kill all of them before, you could barely make one them desist from pursuing you.

  • smys123
    878 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    So up through BF2 and I think even BF3 you had to take off from a runway. That would stop the pre-game bombings for sure. In BF4 they had the planes spawn so far away that there was no chance of that happening either.
  • hawk79_360
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 6
    Malecite wrote: »
    Lol sorry you can't go 100 and 4 now and ruin the match for everyone else. This was the best possible change, thank you dice! Game is so much better for 99 percent of the people on the match, glad they are listening to our feedback.

    Well maybe some people were doing as much as 110 to 4. Not my case. I used to do an average of 30/35 to 5/7/10 and part of the reason if because during a match I am not only playing as a pilot. Like I said in my first comment, I like to take in different combat roles during the match. But I think is pretty arrogant of you to presume that 99% of the community thinks that (quoting PANZERKEKS85) "NERFING the airplanes into oblivion" was the best choice or "much better". Also remember I said that I am not against some degree of nerfing the airplanes, I am just saying they took it too far.
    I have a feeling that you are just a toxic player, probably because you were a COD player that recently discover how good BATTLEFIELD IS, and now you want to make it another **** COD experience, if thats the case please go back to playing COD. If not the case please ignore the last paragraph. (last 3 lines of this comment) good day sir.

  • Agent_Talon
    98 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Not climbing that wall.
  • LOLGotYerTags
    9764 postsMember, Moderator, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Moderator
    @hawk79_360
    Swearing isnt allowed here, Also using ALL CAPS ( including in thread titles ) are not permitted
    
    
  • naitch44
    325 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Bombers desperately needed a nerf.
  • hawk79_360
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    @hawk79_360
    Swearing isnt allowed here, Also using ALL CAPS ( including in thread titles ) are not permitted
    
    

    Well I wasn't aware that the Word you pointed out in my comment was considered foul language. Also didn't realize I couldn't use CAPS as I pleased. Please accept an apology. But it's been a while since I lived in the U.S. I guess in my times we didn't consider that a bad word. regardless, I'll try to be more sensitive about my content.

  • hawk79_360
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    naitch44 wrote: »
    Bombers desperately needed a nerf.
    A nerf we can agree. A death disagree.
  • naitch44
    325 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    hawk79_360 wrote: »
    naitch44 wrote: »
    Bombers desperately needed a nerf.
    A nerf we can agree. A death disagree.

    This is standard DICE fare, they don't do slight tweaks they nerf into oblivion. Absolutely par for the course.
  • ATF_lateDENT
    267 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    This is what DICE always does. Their initial game has some things way over powered (like KE7 and bombers), then DICE starts nerfing some and buffing others.

    Do you remember how the mortars initially played in BF4? They were insanely fun but quite a bit OP. You could launch all of your shells, then exit the mortar, then select it again and it was instantly reloaded. So much fun if using it, but not so much fun to people getting blown to bits constantly on certain maps.

    Do you remember how the horse was when BF1 first launched? Soaking up bullets and a 100 foot one hit kill radius for the sword? It was glorious, then DICE nerfed it multiple times.

    So really you should enjoy the fun you had with the bomber repeatedly wiping out teams trying to take points until people started leaving the server since they had no way to fight back. Your golden days have passed. Now you will either need to further develop your bomber skill set or go do something else. Maybe you'll get lucky and the next BF game will have overpowered planes for you to enjoy again until the first patch.
  • hawk79_360
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Koolaide3 wrote: »
    Everything is perfect. Bombers should be sitting ducks without escorts and they should have limits to how frequently they can carpet an area. It sounds like they did that. I'm sorry for the people who can no longer circle the map annoying everyone.

    I am sure you are right. "After all, that is exactly like it was in WW2" Bombers in WW2 did little to no harm during the war, had no escorts, not only that, but they flew in circles while they waited to be able to drop their bombs because they were happily waiting for fighters to shoot them down. Oh wait! now not even the fighters are doing as much damage as they used to do. There weapons have been nerfed as well. Notsure to what extent, altough is obvious.
    I guess I missed all these facts about WW2. Just in case you haven't noticed I am being sarcastic. Anyway, thanks for you input.
  • WittmannBaron
    37 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I said before the patch: "They won't fix the already know issues, and will nerf almost everything making things useless". We can't wait for good things since they have no idea what they are doying. I complete agree: "They don't play their own game".
  • hawk79_360
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    This is what DICE always does. Their initial game has some things way over powered (like KE7 and bombers), then DICE starts nerfing some and buffing others.

    Do you remember how the mortars initially played in BF4? They were insanely fun but quite a bit OP. You could launch all of your shells, then exit the mortar, then select it again and it was instantly reloaded. So much fun if using it, but not so much fun to people getting blown to bits constantly on certain maps.

    Do you remember how the horse was when BF1 first launched? Soaking up bullets and a 100 foot one hit kill radius for the sword? It was glorious, then DICE nerfed it multiple times.

    So really you should enjoy the fun you had with the bomber repeatedly wiping out teams trying to take points until people started leaving the server since they had no way to fight back. Your golden days have passed. Now you will either need to further develop your bomber skill set or go do something else. Maybe you'll get lucky and the next BF game will have overpowered planes for you to enjoy again until the first patch.

    Again, if you have read my first comments, I do not entirely disagree with airplanes being nerfed, I am just saying they took it a step too far. And again I am not all the time just a pilot, I played different roles. And no I don't remember ever using the bomber to the length some people did, like killing 100+ against 5 for example, I don't remember killing over 35 during a match, and I didn't just die once or twice or three times, it was a bit more, rest at ease. So I don't think that applies to my way of gaming.
    And I do believe there should be balance, but again I think they missed that mark with airplanes in general on this patch. Is what I am telling you, sound logic? I mean did you fly any airplane before the patch, and have you compare the difference or not. Because in other to have a valid opinion. I think you should have done it, right? and I don't mean to be rude with this question. But without you wanting or liking to use the pilot role and use it from match to match what is the point, right?
    Regardless of all this I appreciate your input.
  • JosephCr1984
    118 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I understand the OP's complaint to some extent although I never fly. There were considerable nerfs, but changes were also sorely needed.

    Removing the ability to bomb the spawn at match start is the absolute best change - thank God they removed that.

    But while you're complaining about the nerfs, please remember that the counters to planes are not plentiful on the maps, and they limited the ability of small arms to damage planes.
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