This TTK update should be grounds for a refund. Dice claimed this was to be a higher skill ceiling game and at launch they delivered. The gunplay felt great, so I bought two copies of the game and canceled the origin access I used to try the game out before buying.
Now they completely change the gameplay "to faciliate a more even gameplay experience for all of our players, resulting in a more level playing field for new and experienced players alike."
EA/Dice seem like they're just a mess at the moment. Starting from the disastrous marketing and now this. The game is already out and they're still trying to figure out what kind of a game they're trying to create. It's almost like this game has 2 lead designers who each have the complete opposite idea of what makes a good game.
The change in ttk was a straight up slap in the face to the BF community. You told us "we hear you, but new customers are more important so, bye."
Bring back the old ttk.
Coming from a dude who dies a lot and actually doesn't mind it.
Exactly how this feels. The old TTK was perfect, a return to a more skilled BF game that rewarded clever players. The only problem was the TTD, that... that needed some serious fixing. Playing after the patch was definitely much less enjoyable. Guess its time to break out some of those other games I've been neglecting while playing BFV.
Back in September 9 hedge funds liquidated their EA holdings and replaced their holdings with other AAA companies
YTD the company was at $109.45 and is now trading at $81.19, prior to BF5 release it was at about $88 indicating a 10% drop due to poor reception, so this means it will stay low and will not recover unless there is a good Q4 report next year, or there is a great reception for Anthem. This change has upper level management pressure written all over it. How high ranking employees are compensated is in shares of stock that are restricted for a period of time, thus these types of drops have a significant impact on their year to year earnings.
With this type of reception I have a serious fear of future battlefield titles. Battlefield is an asset to EA and when an asset ceases to be profitable a company will no longer invest resources into it.
I have been interested in detailed analysis of this kind but it is a little off topic here, although potentially related insofar as pressure drives change!
99% of people hate new TTK and want old one back
1% like new TTK
The community has spoken please change it back to old TTK or BF5 will die fast and reviews will get worse and even less people will buy the game.
I don't necessarily agree with the ttk changes at all, but blanket statements with percentages and no facts to back up a claim look ridiculous, just stop lol.
Tried the new TTK tonight. Overall I much prefer the shorter TTK; there were more flanks happening, the games seemed more interesting and generally the gunplay felt a lot more satisfying.
Really hope they're not going to stick with this long term
99% of people hate new TTK and want old one back
1% like new TTK
The community has spoken please change it back to old TTK or BF5 will die fast and reviews will get worse and even less people will buy the game.
I don't necessarily agree with the ttk changes at all, but blanket statements with percentages and no facts to back up a claim look ridiculous, just stop lol.
Just using the percentages on this forum you should look through it and see that the percentages are correct on the posts from this forum.
Tried it . 4 games with my favourite guns ( is that enough ? )
I prefer original ttk but if you keep it dice, please balance the guns better between classes and even better give us 2 modes with all game modes standard and core
99% of people hate new TTK and want old one back
1% like new TTK
The community has spoken please change it back to old TTK or BF5 will die fast and reviews will get worse and even less people will buy the game.
I don't necessarily agree with the ttk changes at all, but blanket statements with percentages and no facts to back up a claim look ridiculous, just stop lol.
Just using the percentages on this forum you should look through it and see that the percentages are correct on the posts from this forum.
One forum with a very small amount of the total population somehow got you to 99%?
I've looked all through here and been very involved in the discussion about ttk and have yet to see where 99% of the millions of bf players said the old way was better. Lol
Are we all so self important that we can't show some gratitude in the fact that we can click a button and be jettisoned to a different era to pretend like we're fighting in our grandfather's war. Nothing but hate for the hard working production teams that have no doubt poured their lives into producing innovation amidst tightened deadlines and insurmountable coding issues. Cut some slack, I admit to being a pre-modona from time to time, and I appreciate it when my friends call me out on it...take a step back and look at the big picture. This game will be good, give it some time. Heaven forbid half of you start stock trading, SMH.
Didn't realise they did the game for fee..
If I pay for something and do not get value for money i and everyone has a right to complain, especially when it was correct from the start..
correct by who's standards?
this game isn't selling
changing a core mechanic then seems like a possible revenue stream generator.
Hypothetically, the 100 or so people here complaining about the TTK did not do enough to promote the game to create additional revenue..i.e. blame yourselves, haha
Changing a core mechanic then is a viable option, albeit temporary.
why do anything for a game, welp take a look at the developers ticker and you'll find out. It comes down to numbers. Someone posted about it in this thread and it was the most rationale response to the TTK changes
It seems as though the majority in these forums do no represent the majority of paying consumers.
Everyone in here giving ultimatums and making demands like their is someone on the other end going "shiii- I never thought of that, I should be fixing the netcode or these 100 people are going to be upset even though for some reason our algo's we're right and we've started selling this game again...screw the boss I'm going back t TTK 1.0!"
The community says that the TTK is fine, but to review the TTD.
and DICE what does it do ?! he immediately goes to work on the TTK. What ??? !!!!! Why ????
and it does not end here, instead of doing a mode to try out the new TTK, it applies to ALL the new TTK, and creates a "hole" called "Conquest Core" for the "old" TTK.
Congratulations on how you (on the contrary) heard the community, the new TTK is really worth it, I want the money back and after BF Bad company, BF3, BF4, BFH and BF1 I understand that you like to make fun of people, doing the opposite of what you ask, this for me and for my friends is the last BF that we have purchased.
Back to topic.
Old one felt better. The patch didn't help with the so called TTD experience.
Some weapons, the ones which felt weak to begin with, are now even weaker.
Hypothetically, the 100 or so people here complaining about the TTK did not do enough to promote the game to create additional revenue..i.e. blame yourselves, haha
No amount of promotion by users could've saved the trainwreck that was this game's marketing
I will also add my thoughts even though EA\Dice just does what ever the hell they want.
Short version : Please bring back the previous TTK, Fix the damn net code and TTD, font blanket the real issues with lazy fixes.
I did some testing of my own and wow its worse, still getting killed in one frame.
Attrition i becomes a pain in the ****.
Most of the weapons are not useless when doing flanks \ taking on a bunch of enemies
In the long run its breaking the initial design, flow, gun play.
The reasons for changing the TTK is absolute BS.
If you want more players buying the game, fix the core issues, Don't change the whole META when an issue comes up.
The Active players are also a form of, if not the best way to advertise a good game, at this stage, even myself being a really dedicated fan will not
recommend it to anyone. Not my clan, not my friends.
Dice\EA , stop messing up your core player-base, you are your own enemy at this stage
If you are truly skilled then TTK means nothing. You will adapt.
You not understand the difference between adapt and be free to use all your skills.
With the new TTK, skilled players are blocked, they will continue to performing alot better of others players, but they can't play totally free.
Simple Example.
With the actual TTK, a skilled player can kill entire squad playing good.
With the new TTK, now a skilled player have the possibility to fail to kill entire squad even if he play good, because enemies have more time to move and react even if they are caught off guard.
Another example is the less importance of accuracy and reflex with new TTK.
In close quarters there are more time to react if you get off guard.
In open space, you have more time to reach a cover even if you get hitted with every shot.
Are we serious?! So, being shot in the back and having time to turn around and shoot who is shooting at us makes the game better ?! makes the game more beautiful ?! for me it just makes it painful, it makes it better for casual players on Sunday, and an advantage for those who can not play and shoot well. I now have to download a whole magazine to kill 1/2 people .... Wow beautiful ..... this is my last Battlefield, DICE has lost my confidence by changing the ONLY THING perfect! I will never buy Battlefield again for the shy one that is created every time, DICE if you want to know for sure which TTK you should leave, create a poll where you can vote, TTK 1.0 Vs. 2.0, let's see who wins. the majority wins, the other either adapts or changes game.
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Now they completely change the gameplay "to faciliate a more even gameplay experience for all of our players, resulting in a more level playing field for new and experienced players alike."
EA/Dice seem like they're just a mess at the moment. Starting from the disastrous marketing and now this. The game is already out and they're still trying to figure out what kind of a game they're trying to create. It's almost like this game has 2 lead designers who each have the complete opposite idea of what makes a good game.
Exactly how this feels. The old TTK was perfect, a return to a more skilled BF game that rewarded clever players. The only problem was the TTD, that... that needed some serious fixing. Playing after the patch was definitely much less enjoyable. Guess its time to break out some of those other games I've been neglecting while playing BFV.
I have been interested in detailed analysis of this kind but it is a little off topic here, although potentially related insofar as pressure drives change!
1% like new TTK
The community has spoken please change it back to old TTK or BF5 will die fast and reviews will get worse and even less people will buy the game.
I don't necessarily agree with the ttk changes at all, but blanket statements with percentages and no facts to back up a claim look ridiculous, just stop lol.
Really hope they're not going to stick with this long term
I lol'ed.
Just using the percentages on this forum you should look through it and see that the percentages are correct on the posts from this forum.
I prefer original ttk but if you keep it dice, please balance the guns better between classes and even better give us 2 modes with all game modes standard and core
One forum with a very small amount of the total population somehow got you to 99%?
I've looked all through here and been very involved in the discussion about ttk and have yet to see where 99% of the millions of bf players said the old way was better. Lol
correct by who's standards?
this game isn't selling
changing a core mechanic then seems like a possible revenue stream generator.
Hypothetically, the 100 or so people here complaining about the TTK did not do enough to promote the game to create additional revenue..i.e. blame yourselves, haha
Changing a core mechanic then is a viable option, albeit temporary.
why do anything for a game, welp take a look at the developers ticker and you'll find out. It comes down to numbers. Someone posted about it in this thread and it was the most rationale response to the TTK changes
It seems as though the majority in these forums do no represent the majority of paying consumers.
Everyone in here giving ultimatums and making demands like their is someone on the other end going "shiii- I never thought of that, I should be fixing the netcode or these 100 people are going to be upset even though for some reason our algo's we're right and we've started selling this game again...screw the boss I'm going back t TTK 1.0!"
and DICE what does it do ?! he immediately goes to work on the TTK. What ??? !!!!! Why ????
and it does not end here, instead of doing a mode to try out the new TTK, it applies to ALL the new TTK, and creates a "hole" called "Conquest Core" for the "old" TTK.
Congratulations on how you (on the contrary) heard the community, the new TTK is really worth it, I want the money back and after BF Bad company, BF3, BF4, BFH and BF1 I understand that you like to make fun of people, doing the opposite of what you ask, this for me and for my friends is the last BF that we have purchased.
Old one felt better. The patch didn't help with the so called TTD experience.
Some weapons, the ones which felt weak to begin with, are now even weaker.
Short version : Please bring back the previous TTK, Fix the damn net code and TTD, font blanket the real issues with lazy fixes.
I did some testing of my own and wow its worse, still getting killed in one frame.
Attrition i becomes a pain in the ****.
Most of the weapons are not useless when doing flanks \ taking on a bunch of enemies
In the long run its breaking the initial design, flow, gun play.
The reasons for changing the TTK is absolute BS.
If you want more players buying the game, fix the core issues, Don't change the whole META when an issue comes up.
The Active players are also a form of, if not the best way to advertise a good game, at this stage, even myself being a really dedicated fan will not
recommend it to anyone. Not my clan, not my friends.
Dice\EA , stop messing up your core player-base, you are your own enemy at this stage
Are we serious?! So, being shot in the back and having time to turn around and shoot who is shooting at us makes the game better ?! makes the game more beautiful ?! for me it just makes it painful, it makes it better for casual players on Sunday, and an advantage for those who can not play and shoot well. I now have to download a whole magazine to kill 1/2 people .... Wow beautiful ..... this is my last Battlefield, DICE has lost my confidence by changing the ONLY THING perfect! I will never buy Battlefield again for the shy one that is created every time, DICE if you want to know for sure which TTK you should leave, create a poll where you can vote, TTK 1.0 Vs. 2.0, let's see who wins. the majority wins, the other either adapts or changes game.