No RSP please

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  • Foamcow
    177 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Please don't bring RSP to Battlefield 5. I don't want to have to play by other people's rules. I want to be able to play whatever I want use whatever I want and not get kicked out just because I'm good at the game. Currently whenever I go and play Battlefield 4 all I can find is RSP servers all doing the same map 24/7 I can't experience the rest of the game because of it I don't want this to be happening in Battlefield 5. As long as RSP is for private servers and not in public it's fine with me.

    If they pay for the server, why on earth would you think they shouldn't be able to make some rules? Do you expect to be able to go into a pizza place and demand they make you a hamburger? Do you want to be able to listen to a radio in a movie theater? Those servers are private property just like businesses are private property, and if you don't like the rules posted on the info screen, why did you go in there? Come to think of it, if you don't like the maps those rented BF4 servers run, why don't you put up the money to host a server with a map rotation you like? Or should it always be somebody else who pays the bill? Without rented servers nobody would be playing BF4 because there wouldn't be any servers, would you be happier with that?

    Some of the best BF servers I ever played were custom servers with interesting formats, like sniper-only, or pistol-knife only, or Metro no explosives, or some of the custom hardcore servers. One size does not fit all, and if someone is willing to put up the money then they should be able to run a custom server provided they're operating within EA's terms of service.

    As for being kicked because you're good at the game, yeah, right, heard that story before. Rumphurt admins kicked me for killing them, and then we get the other side of the story, usually involving cursing out other players and then the admins followed by the kick. As someone here said recently, there were always way more abusive players than abusive admins, so "kicked for no reason" posts are always taken with a big grain of salt.

    Well of course if you buy a server you should be able to change the rules but that's what I'm saying don't add it in in the first place clearly you're not understanding my frustration with it and I'm not going to buy a server on a Battlefield game that is dying by each passing day. The thing about being kicked I hold true to that I don't do anything that is bad in any way no glitch no trash talking I barely even talk on the mic in any video game I rarely ever talk. so there is no trash talking from me. I do get kicked just because I'm better. I buy a game so I can experience all of the content it can give I can't experience all that content if people are limiting things and basically all the servers that are populated are rented servers I loved Battlefield 1 a lot because I never got in any rented servers I got to experience all of what the game can offer

    Maybe it's your literary style.
  • xBCxSEALxTEAMx6
    1416 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    I remember, and kind of regret, going to IGN and posting on a BF 4 article over there at the time, in that what was going on (at least on 360 and PS3), were that, most ALL servers being played, were Rented Servers.

    I would go into a 'quick match", go to the restroom, come back in the server, satchel a tank, and get kicked. Only to find out, i was in a RSP. That's when i learned how to use the Server Browser, but low and behold, EVERY, without exception, server being played, was a Rented Servers, with rules i found to be nuts.

    On IGN i stated, that this is not fair practice, in that if i purchase a game, i purchase the game as advertised, not that i'm going to play by someone elses rules. I get a hell of a lot of upvotes for that one, and in fact, DICE may have been getting the same feedback.

    Flash forward to BF1, the opposite happened, in that you couldn't find relatively "any" RSP. I tried three times to rent servers, and i struck out all three, being what had to be thousands of unplayed rented servers, buried in a way, not many could find them.

    So, a happy medium has to come about to on the one hand, not let the RSP monopolize all, but give them a fair shot at play. Some of the best games i've had, were on the RSP on BF1, but they were owned by big gaming clans, or hot shots on social media able to fill the servers.

    However, the bad news is, on Consoles, unlike BF1, there are no "settings" to change in the Browser. You can't change damage (last game you could change to 50% damage to 200%). You can't change respawn times, etc.

    There is however new settings i never seen on last game, in regards to "match sizes" which may be something DICE may be doing for vanilla in the future.

    So, what it seems, is that RSP, and/or Hardcore Mode for that matter, are likely not forthcoming.
  • VindictiV_V
    1347 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member

    However, the bad news is, on Consoles, unlike BF1, there are no "settings" to change in the Browser. You can't change damage (last game you could change to 50% damage to 200%). You can't change respawn times, etc.

    There is however new settings i never seen on last game, in regards to "match sizes" which may be something DICE may be doing for vanilla in the future.

    So, what it seems, is that RSP, and/or Hardcore Mode for that matter, are likely not forthcoming.

    That was for everybody in bf1, not just on console. The RSP was so barebone that we, admins, barely had any control. It was only certain stuff like VIP (which was broken, turning it off wouldn't actually turn it off), kick, ban, map change and removing maps from rotation were pretty much the only things we could change even on PC.

  • AngryVyper
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    As long as there are enough official server without any restriction to what we might call "developers" or "standard ranked server" rules, let there be and RSP with private, ranked servers.

    Matchmaking would lead to official servers, to avoid unpleasant surprises and in the server browser one could choose from a list of private servers with some different rules, which of course should be listed in the server description. Can`t see why this should not work well for all of us.

    I for myself would love to try Fjell as infantry only with only 48 players and the weather effect at least once every round.

    Why not some servers with limited classes, weapons or vehicles?
    Imagine a server that prohibits ASSAULT class to use the STG 44 or at least the 3x scope. I bet there are at least as much players who would prefer to join such a server as players who would prefer to join a server with restrictions on SNIPER class or sniper rifles.
    Imagine a server where the ASSAULT ist not allowed to go with bundle grenade and dynamite at the same time.
    Imagine a server where you never will be killed by the Valentine AA while playing breakthrough on Aerodrome or Hamada, because the bloody vehicle ist just not accessible.

    Btw: Before BF 1 the vast majority of servers have been privately rented, mostly by clans and the few official EA server usually have been empty.
  • Blackie03
    13 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Why don't they realize what they are doing to the BF community's is so damaging to the people who mostly buy the BF games! I really wish some other BF copy cat company would come out with a game and return our much needed servers..
  • Wikstone
    164 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, BF1IncursionsAlpha Member
    edited January 13
    i never liked RSP because of admins which choose their own rules with their own map rotation. I like how with two clicks i can join all maps , all weapon servers with rules which are for everyone.

    Why not just use little time with server browser and find servers you like and add them to favorites...

    Edit. did just quick look to my favorites - #1 [WBKS] EPS 60Hz - PREMIUM MAPS | NO RULES | VOTEMAP
  • V1kingH4mster
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Please don't bring RSP to Battlefield 5. I don't want to have to play by other people's rules. I want to be able to play whatever I want use whatever I want and not get kicked out just because I'm good at the game. Currently whenever I go and play Battlefield 4 all I can find is RSP servers all doing the same map 24/7 I can't experience the rest of the game because of it I don't want this to be happening in Battlefield 5. As long as RSP is for private servers and not in public it's fine with me.

    so you want bf5 to die then? RSP is what keeps bf games alive,people don't like playing with all maps in rotation as most maps are crap and boring i say bring on RSP so i can enjoy bf5 like its meant to be 1000 tickets lol
  • Neox255
    159 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 13

    1. Play on official servers AND

    2. Thats why bf4 is still SO popular and populated. Probably wouldnt be able to play bf4 WHATSOEVER if it wasnt for those rented servers...

    Terrible thread, just terrible.
    Some of the best BF servers I ever played were custom servers with interesting formats, like sniper-only, or pistol-knife only, or Metro no explosives, or some of the custom hardcore servers. One size does not fit all, and if someone is willing to put up the money then they should be able to run a custom server provided they're operating within EA's terms of service.

    Totally agree with all of the above.

    Bottom line is - If you don't like rented / community servers go play on the official servers.

  • olT3lo
    189 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Member
    Please don't bring RSP to Battlefield 5. I don't want to have to play by other people's rules. I want to be able to play whatever I want use whatever I want and not get kicked out just because I'm good at the game. Currently whenever I go and play Battlefield 4 all I can find is RSP servers all doing the same map 24/7 I can't experience the rest of the game because of it I don't want this to be happening in Battlefield 5. As long as RSP is for private servers and not in public it's fine with me.

    OP acts like he is forced to go to servers he doesn't like. What a crock as usual.
  • parkingbrake
    3202 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Please don't bring RSP to Battlefield 5. I don't want to have to play by other people's rules. I want to be able to play whatever I want use whatever I want and not get kicked out just because I'm good at the game. Currently whenever I go and play Battlefield 4 all I can find is RSP servers all doing the same map 24/7 I can't experience the rest of the game because of it I don't want this to be happening in Battlefield 5. As long as RSP is for private servers and not in public it's fine with me.

    If you don't want to play custom rules then simply only play Official DICE servers, it's not hard since RSP servers were not not in quick match in BF4 or BF1. I simply cannot fathom why people want to deprive the wider player base of the very servers that foster community and bring longevity to the game for years to come.

    More to the point, why does EA want to do away with the servers that foster community and bring longevity to the game? One has to wonder if longevity is something they no longer want in a game because they're already working on BF6 to be released in time for the Christmas sales season of 2020/21, and they'd rather we uninstalled BFV and bought BF6 at that time. From a corporate perspective that makes sense in a cold-blooded way, but obviously the BF community that made this series a success in years past takes a different view.
  • SOULJ4R
    220 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    OP prolly been kicked from many private servers in the past for being a **** and it's left a salty taste in his mouth.
  • Catsonspeeed
    610 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Typical BF4 moment: Join the Shanghai 24/7 server. Jump into AH. Launch the TOW missile, shoot down the server owner. The screen goes black. "You have been banned from this server"

    But still, there will always be good servers as well as the official ones. We definitely need RSP.
  • hawkseye17
    577 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Then play a default DICE server. Don't screw everyone else over just because you don't want to play something
  • BaconRebellion
    2423 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Please don't bring RSP to Battlefield 5. I don't want to have to play by other people's rules. I want to be able to play whatever I want use whatever I want and not get kicked out just because I'm good at the game. Currently whenever I go and play Battlefield 4 all I can find is RSP servers all doing the same map 24/7 I can't experience the rest of the game because of it I don't want this to be happening in Battlefield 5. As long as RSP is for private servers and not in public it's fine with me.

    Easy solution, don't play on those servers then. I fail to see the issue, and why RSP shouldnt be implemented. Its a great way to extend the life of the game, and to create community events like HvZ, FNB, and others. Not to mention, its thanks to RSP that games like BC 2, BF 33, and BF 4 are still alive.
  • TheSacar
    1005 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    While I've never been a fan of community servers myself, I don't see a reason not to include this option. People have different tastes, you know.

    I know people have different tastes but they're not mine and servers take away from populating official servers where I can experience the full game

    This... is... just... WOW!
    Why should people not be allowed to play a certain way, just because you don't like to play that way? That's like saying "I don't like to wear red shirts, so it should be illegal to produce red shirts!"
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    Like so many here have said, the simple option of playing on rented servers with community rules does not keep you from playing on official servers and neither does it force you to also play on those rented servers. And eventually when the official servers from EA/DICE are gone, rented servers keep the game alive even when new titles are released. EA/DICE have little incentive to keep up servers for "old" games, when there is no money to be made by that.
  • parkingbrake
    3202 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Well said. Let's note that "Official" servers in BF4 were not run by EA (must less DICE), they were rented servers too but the operators had agreed to have sharply limited control over their servers. The theory was that the egomaniacs and kiddies with a rules phobia and so on would play on Official servers so there would be little problem keeping those servers populated, it was a trade-off, less control for a full server. Most of the Official servers I played were horrible, e.g. if the teams became imbalanced there was nothing the admins could do about it because they couldn't move players, so if the balancer stopped working it was 32 vs. 15 for the rest of the round. Official servers were also where EA ended up dumping Game Time players after it became clear cheaters were using the Game Time promotion for an infinite series of disposable accounts, when they were banned they would just open another Game Time account and continue trolling. Think about that, EA confined a population with a high likelihood of cheating to Official servers--I'll take a Ranked server with an active admin who had BF4DB open on a second monitor so he could take out the trash anytime over an Official server where a blatant cheater is untouchable.

    In other games where there were both rented servers and servers run by EA then Official servers could be taken to mean servers run by EA/DICE. In BFV the distinction is moot because there are no rented servers, and in the long run I bet that will shorten the life of the game because dedicated clan players tend to stick with a game longer than casual players (which could be exactly what EA has in mind, i.e. selling us a new game in a couple of years).

    This. When my team had our own BC2 server I always had a laptop up with the admin software running. We did not have sketchy players on our server and there was nearly always a waitlist to get in due to good map rotation.. good players and matches and very active admins.

    Exactly! The characters who spin the fairy tale of badmins everywhere can't explain away the reality that there were so many servers so popular that you have to wait in queue to get in. I was an admin on a BF3 server that for a time was ranked sixth most popular in that game, and I banned plenty of players if they caused Cheat-O-Meter to light up like a Christmas tree or if I watched them do something that clearly required a hack. I remember one guy who stood in one spot with a rifle in his hands but was getting knife kills all over the map including in locations he could not have reached without parachuting. Since my character was right beside him looking at him as the kill scroll reported his obviously bogus kills that was one case where I didn't need a stats analysis service to confirm he was cheating.

    I encountered maybe half a dozen servers over the years where the admins were such jerks that I knew I wouldn't be going back. On the other hand I had a favorites list full of servers with good admins who took care of business without playing favorites, places where I played often--and yes, I was known to donate money to such servers to help keep them operating. It just isn't credible that the badmins everywhere guys never found good servers like that, it seems far more likely that their own behavior had something to do with them being kicked or banned so often. Actually I've seen posts in the BF3/4 forums where players boasted about breaking every rule they could on the grounds that they had a right to play as they pleased and no admin could tell them otherwise.

    But today EA doesn't want local admins, so the most blatant hack user imaginable can show up in a BFV server and there isn't a thing anyone can do other than report him--and then watch him continue to spoil games for weeks or months. There are threads on the Reddit BFV sub with video evidence of obvious cheaters who have been reported over and over yet are still playing. The other day a DICE dev said he would forward one of the videos to the anti-cheat dept., the same anti-cheat dept. which had received numerous reports about the same cheater for weeks. But this is supposed to be a better way to run a server than having a live admin who could have banned the cheater the first time he showed up? I don't think so.
  • von_Campenstein
    6565 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Please don't bring RSP to Battlefield 5. I don't want to have to play by other people's rules. I want to be able to play whatever I want use whatever I want and not get kicked out just because I'm good at the game. Currently whenever I go and play Battlefield 4 all I can find is RSP servers all doing the same map 24/7 I can't experience the rest of the game because of it I don't want this to be happening in Battlefield 5. As long as RSP is for private servers and not in public it's fine with me.

    Are there even official servers for BF4 still?
  • MeFirstThenYou
    111 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 14
    Community Servers are what made the franchise great and the absence of them is one key point in what is currently massively damaging the franchise.
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