Support (MMG) is now NERFED back to the stone age in BF5
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January 17, 2019 11:24AM
edited February 2019
Hello all,
I think this is my first post in the BF5 forum, and it will probably be my last. I just can't take this abuse by DICE/EA any longer. After the last patch, the support class is now completely useless. Let me give you a short list of problems with support as a MMG user:
1. Lastest patch introduced a huge increase in (vertical) spread/recoil when beeing prone and bipoded.
2. Lastest patch introduced a kill cam. Now everybody can see where the I am forced (by DICE) to camp bipoded with my useless MMG
3. Abosolutely NO suppresion effect of any kind (never was in BF5, and never will be)
4. No (zoom) optics (never was in BF5, and never will be)
5. DICE talk (twitter/redit) about removing the possibility to deploy the bipod when lying on the back
6. The "visibility" will changed in next patch. It will be easier to spot stationary players. Another nerf to support (MMG)
It is clear to me now that DICE/EA and probably the whole "core community" just want a twitchy/COD/Running/CQB/Infantry/Land type gamestyle.
As a MMG user I am just a low life noob camper that should be banned for laying prone bipodded with my useless MMG. I am just a target for any sniper/assult/medic/airplane, especially if I empty my 1200 ROF MG-42 in their face. They can all just headshot me by aiming at the source of all the tracer rounds.
Yes, I am pissed, VERY pissed. This is not a "Battlefield" game. And EA, 2 weeks after realease you cut the price by 50% - that is just ANOTHER middlefinger to me!
Puhh, I better stop now....this is not my batteldield any more. You guys take care, and have fun with this game if you can. And DICE/EA I will NEVER ever buy anything more from you - ever!
EDIT 1: I edited the title and added (MMG) after "Support" since this post is mainly about the poor state of the MMG's in BF5. And I added point 5 to the list of NERFS
EDIT 2: After reading all the posts in this thread I suggest these fixes for Battlefield 5:
1. MMG: Reduce recoil when prone and bipoded with a MMG (yes, folks, the MMG's are far from laser weapons as it is now).
2. ALL WEAPONS: Remove the bipod from all weapons when prone and on the back (I don't care).
3. ALL WEAPONS: Increase the duration and effect of the (already implemented) weapon sight swaying when hit (it is barely noticeable as it is now).
4. MMG: Implement a stronger swaying duration and effect when hit by a MMG.
5. ALL WEAPONS: Add global weapon sight swaying when ADAD twitching.
The effects and duration must be fine tuned with testing. This change will affect all classes, and the game pace will slow down a bit. The twitchy left/right/left/right (while taking damage) headshooters will be dealt with. This will also indirectly give all weapons "suppression effect", and the MMG's will get a little stronger "suppression effect".
I think this is my first post in the BF5 forum, and it will probably be my last. I just can't take this abuse by DICE/EA any longer. After the last patch, the support class is now completely useless. Let me give you a short list of problems with support as a MMG user:
1. Lastest patch introduced a huge increase in (vertical) spread/recoil when beeing prone and bipoded.
2. Lastest patch introduced a kill cam. Now everybody can see where the I am forced (by DICE) to camp bipoded with my useless MMG
3. Abosolutely NO suppresion effect of any kind (never was in BF5, and never will be)
4. No (zoom) optics (never was in BF5, and never will be)
5. DICE talk (twitter/redit) about removing the possibility to deploy the bipod when lying on the back
6. The "visibility" will changed in next patch. It will be easier to spot stationary players. Another nerf to support (MMG)
It is clear to me now that DICE/EA and probably the whole "core community" just want a twitchy/COD/Running/CQB/Infantry/Land type gamestyle.
As a MMG user I am just a low life noob camper that should be banned for laying prone bipodded with my useless MMG. I am just a target for any sniper/assult/medic/airplane, especially if I empty my 1200 ROF MG-42 in their face. They can all just headshot me by aiming at the source of all the tracer rounds.
Yes, I am pissed, VERY pissed. This is not a "Battlefield" game. And EA, 2 weeks after realease you cut the price by 50% - that is just ANOTHER middlefinger to me!
Puhh, I better stop now....this is not my batteldield any more. You guys take care, and have fun with this game if you can. And DICE/EA I will NEVER ever buy anything more from you - ever!
EDIT 1: I edited the title and added (MMG) after "Support" since this post is mainly about the poor state of the MMG's in BF5. And I added point 5 to the list of NERFS
EDIT 2: After reading all the posts in this thread I suggest these fixes for Battlefield 5:
1. MMG: Reduce recoil when prone and bipoded with a MMG (yes, folks, the MMG's are far from laser weapons as it is now).
2. ALL WEAPONS: Remove the bipod from all weapons when prone and on the back (I don't care).
3. ALL WEAPONS: Increase the duration and effect of the (already implemented) weapon sight swaying when hit (it is barely noticeable as it is now).
4. MMG: Implement a stronger swaying duration and effect when hit by a MMG.
5. ALL WEAPONS: Add global weapon sight swaying when ADAD twitching.
The effects and duration must be fine tuned with testing. This change will affect all classes, and the game pace will slow down a bit. The twitchy left/right/left/right (while taking damage) headshooters will be dealt with. This will also indirectly give all weapons "suppression effect", and the MMG's will get a little stronger "suppression effect".
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Indeed. I started playing this game as handicapped and paralysed medic (still am but not as bad pre patch), but I adapted to a different playstyle, stopped trying to engage mid-long range and got on with my life.
Everybody cries about recoil on support, but everytime I pick one up if I have to I can feel less recoil than Tommy Gun.
You know that the support also has LMGs and shotguns that work very well without a bipod?
If you are shooting at people with 1200 rmp and they have the time to line up a headshot, then you are doing something wrong. Either your aim is terrible or you are engaging target at the wrong range.
Why is it that people want a 250 shot, 1200 rmp machine gun to be laser accurate AND stop everyone from firing back?
But what I dont understand is why they made the SMG's even easier and didnt do anything to make the assault weapons more difficult.
Currently, the game has too easy (and boring) arcade gunplay. It makes me value the gunplay of PUBG alot more.
1. No they did not increase the vertical recoil while being prone. They reduced the bonus on vertical recoil when being prone or crouched. They also made it not stack with the bipod recoil reduction. First and foremost this is a nerf to all weapons, secondly, before it made all MGs have no recoil at all, when bipodded/prone. This is now working as intended and can therefore be considered a bugfix. Further they increased the horizontal aiming angle when prone by 40°. I suppose this also applies to MGs and specifically all MMGs as they are used in prone stance mainly.
2. There is a suppression effect that spots the suppressed enemy. There is also visual suppression.
3. Yes there are no zoom optics for MMGs, and that is because the MMGs still have the lowest TTK of all weapons beside shotguns at very close range, and headshots with BAs. If you fire at 800-1200 rpm with the damage of an AR with the lowest recoil of all automatic weapons, then you obviously can not not have zoom optics. However there is a 1.5x zoom on iron sights. Yes they can headshot you, or you just instagib them at all relevant ranges.
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You also only speak for yourself as an MMG user. Granted just like BAs and Shotguns you are putting yourself in a corner. In their niche all these weapons are very effective and the MMGs are also very versatile as they do not rely on really high aiming skill as BAs do, or put you into a very specific range, like shotguns. So as support that has shotguns and regular LMGs available you can hardly speak about the death of a whole class.
Do you realize how much damage an machine gun does? It's very little. AND, and this is a big AND, You can land three rounds on a player, they can turn and head shot you without any disruption to their aim. They are getting hit by freaking bullets and it does NOT affect their aim. HAHAHAHA! Don't even start about how the support should get head shots. There is a large bullet spread and no optics for machine guns. Lining up a head shot is only possible at short range.
Eh..., no that will still happen.
What has changed is that in mid to long range now the mg 42 will spray anywhere but the target.
No more countersniping that is all. If you are close enough to just fit in the bipoded hipfire reticle , the bipoded mg will still get you no problem
Luckily, I don’t prone, so I assume that my Lewis/Bren will continue to work perfectly.
That's all this forum is anymore.
Adapt and learn, ladies.
I love the part about the 50% off/middle finger. Gimme a break, we're talking about a whopping $60 (or $80 Deluxe vers.) game. It's not like the game set you back $200, lol. And for what it's worth, I don't mind at all the lowered 50% price...that just means more people picking up this game, and more farming for everyone. Its win win.
They do. Both of them still excellent.
So how exactly are you supposed to play with a MMG?
Also, you don't mention on what platform you play.
Lastly, why do you say no zoom optics? I have a 3x scope on my KE-7... what is meant by no suppression? That is a specialization that you can equip (suppress more and receive less suppression).
Sorry to hear of all your troubles. I suggest trying out a different kit when things get boring. There are myriad ways to play Battlefield.