Squad conquest - early critiques
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January 17, 2019 8:10PM
edited January 17
This game mode is simply way too close to domination, and not what people are looking to play on. They want conquest small, and this is an attempt at a tighter version of it, but this game mode eliminates what makes conquest actually conquest due to the flag designs and mechanics.
-To start on a positive, the flag layouts are optimal, the triangle format seems to be the best choice unless you make the map extremely wide where a linear format would not result in too easy of a lockdown (see Arica Harbor from BC2 conquest).
-The flag capture zones are too small and open, if an enemy wants to come to a flag they see is being captured, they can easily find you and pick you off. This is particularly relevant when the enemy tank comes to a flag, and on a select few flags that are easily exposed.
-Flag capture times are way too fast, it's like capturing a domination flag. The excitement of conquest is to take an enemy flag and defend your position as the enemy tries to contest your takeover, while using teamwork to hold a flag down with your squad and/or team. In squad conquest, the experience plays like domination where you take a flag very fast, go on the outskirts around the map and ignore the objective.
-Trying to contest a flag that an enemy is taking is almost pointless unless it's at the end of the game; The flags get taken so quickly that it's better to just wait for the enemy to move off it, kill them and then take the flag yourself. The flag will be neutralized so fast that you don't have to worry about spawns. Pretty much domination.
Each flag should be like it's own fortification, have it's own layout and way of playing on it. There are very few flags that actually have this, "A" on Arras conquest is a decent example of this, although the spawns out in the open are less than desirable. All of these things were employed in a game designed around conquest small, Bad Company 2. Great examples of this from BC2 are conquest "small" on Arica Harbor and Laguna Alta. It is beyond me why DICE is struggling to recreate the magic that makes Battlefield the game that so many love.
-To start on a positive, the flag layouts are optimal, the triangle format seems to be the best choice unless you make the map extremely wide where a linear format would not result in too easy of a lockdown (see Arica Harbor from BC2 conquest).
-The flag capture zones are too small and open, if an enemy wants to come to a flag they see is being captured, they can easily find you and pick you off. This is particularly relevant when the enemy tank comes to a flag, and on a select few flags that are easily exposed.
-Flag capture times are way too fast, it's like capturing a domination flag. The excitement of conquest is to take an enemy flag and defend your position as the enemy tries to contest your takeover, while using teamwork to hold a flag down with your squad and/or team. In squad conquest, the experience plays like domination where you take a flag very fast, go on the outskirts around the map and ignore the objective.
-Trying to contest a flag that an enemy is taking is almost pointless unless it's at the end of the game; The flags get taken so quickly that it's better to just wait for the enemy to move off it, kill them and then take the flag yourself. The flag will be neutralized so fast that you don't have to worry about spawns. Pretty much domination.
Each flag should be like it's own fortification, have it's own layout and way of playing on it. There are very few flags that actually have this, "A" on Arras conquest is a decent example of this, although the spawns out in the open are less than desirable. All of these things were employed in a game designed around conquest small, Bad Company 2. Great examples of this from BC2 are conquest "small" on Arica Harbor and Laguna Alta. It is beyond me why DICE is struggling to recreate the magic that makes Battlefield the game that so many love.
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As a medic and support main I basically feel like I have to carry the team. I have revive players on a point so someone can defend it, and I have to have a ammo crate so assaults can pop off.
I do not think its pointless to contest flags since this game mode has so many close modes
Wait until the enemy team has capped a flag, and moved on? You could do that. If the enemy team actually move on. Again, I see much more defending here, than I usually see on regular Conquest.
I vastly prefer Squad Conquest to Domination, it feels way more tactical, and my games have mostly been above average in that regard, so far.
I thought I wouldn’t like this, because I saw it as a new attempt at a competitive game mode, a la Incursions, and I’m certainly not a competitive player, but I’ve had great fun playing it.
Squad Conquest has some potential should DICE choose to work on the mode some and improve it.
When you are taking a flag with 2-3 people the capture goes down super fast, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe stand closer to the flag to increase the speed?
I don't know what you mean by your last comment. By contest flags I mean when you see one of your team's flags going down, just wait for enemies to come off the flag and take them out. While in the other Battlefield's like Bad Company 2, the entire flag would be a fortified thing that you could go inside and take out enemies like a base infiltration.
Agreed, 12v12 was the max size on Bad Company 2 for the consoles and it worked wonderfully. There was plenty of competitive play with 8v8 being the smallest variant, and it was the most exciting play I've had in this franchise. I know a lot of people out there think the same.
But basically, battlefield for me is large scale conquest or rush modes. The only deivation from that is TDM or gun mode from BF3 if you fancy something calmer!
Rotterdam in this mode is literally pointless, it's just a linear tunnel of death. Seeing as barely anybody plays in squads (console at least) it's impossible to get any attacks co-ordinated. Nobody is on their mic and the new changes to killcam make any form of tactics redundant, as soon as you hole up and get a good spot you get the crap blasted out of your defensive position as everybody knows where you are.
I give it 1 out of 10, purely for not actually being buggy!
Ah ok my bad, well like another commenr said I think making it 12v12 or 24v24 would make it more competitive. The game isnt awful just needs some tweaks IMO.
I don't believe simply adding players to this squad conquest is going to make it any better. It will probably make it the same or worse. They need to just go to conquest small and design it around 12v12 or maybe even 16v16 as the max player count, with 8v8 to 12v12 as the ideal setting. This is the layout and model the majority loves.
I like the smaller scale of the warfare, easier to react to everything really.
I don't like the fact that it's mostly populated by high-tier players who out-class me in in skill and in eqipment, because I can't put in the same hours to learn the game due to to IRL reasons as they do. Being target practice for high-tier folks just isn't fun and detracts from my experience, some player level based matchmaking would be great.
You didn’t misread, but that was not the correct info. Just like in Conquest, you can spawn on the flags in Squad Conquest, unlike Domination.
I’m playing on console, and I see some decent teamplay. I also see people not caring, but that’s Battlefield for you. I don’t agree at all with your claim that tactics are redundant, the squads that actually work together are so much more efficient than those who don’t. A good defense isn’t dependent on whether the enemy knows where you are or not. The kill cam doesn’t change anything in this regard.
Naturally, it is a more competitive mode. One player can make a real impact and if you play with friends you will easily dominate over the other team. If people get too frustrated and leave the game becomes more lopsided, because of the downtime until a new player joins. When you are afk, get disconnected or even just any downtime will reduce your team's effectiveness by 12,5%. That is indeed huge. The mode is just designed with dedication in mind, and herein lies the problem, although I would say as a competitive mode it works fine, it surely is more tactical and you can actually defend flags or hold positions, too. With vehicles it also offers a better "Battlefield"-experience than Domination or TDM, and is still infantry-focused.