I hate to admit it but there are cheaters in this game currently

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  • Micas99
    816 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Micas99 wrote: »

    No.. you're wrong. There is nothing that results from a hackusation.

    You mean aside creating an environment of toxicity and distrust?

    How does the "environment" have anything to do with the state of the anti-cheat in BF5 and BF1? That's just noise and can be ignored. That's why hackusations are meaningless.

    There's really only 2 issues here. First; what is the current state of the anti-cheat in BF5 and BF1? Second; what is the plan to update and improve the state of anti-cheat in BF5 and BF1? I get that people want to focus on individual players, but that doesn't matter.
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    BL00DY-ROY wrote: »
    I know there are cheaters in this game, but I have stated before that I have not seen / experienced many cheaters. And for me the game is fully playable / enjoyable (still playing in Europe).

    You have played 125 rounds.

    Some of us have played a few more than 125 rounds.

    Some of us have played ten times the rounds you have played. Perhaps in the 10x the experience that we have, compared to you, we might have seen more. Just a crazy, radical, thought.

  • 2HoleDoll
    25 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Kills 3 and 4 are a bit fishy, they do occur however in a common angle where you can expect enemies to be in.

    And kills 3 and 4 are also headshots...Boy, not only is he expecting where they will be, but exactly where their heads will be! Talk about predictive power!

    My crosshair is consistently in places where heads are likely to be. Nothing predictive about it, just good aim management. And that is exactly why I said your clip is too short to prove ESP/WH.

    When I was an admin, we had a rule of thumb for demos, and that was that they needed to be at least 5 minutes long most of the time to be able to prove hacking ( outside of the obvious ragehacking ofc ). And thats simply because we all have those fishy situations at one point or another.
  • zenn_nme
    797 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Just me or... after each patch cheaters seem to be back in full force!? :|
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Kills 3 and 4 are a bit fishy, they do occur however in a common angle where you can expect enemies to be in.

    And kills 3 and 4 are also headshots...Boy, not only is he expecting where they will be, but exactly where their heads will be! Talk about predictive power!

    My crosshair is consistently in places where heads are likely to be. Nothing predictive about it, just good aim management. And that is exactly why I said your clip is too short to prove ESP/WH.

    It is?
    https://imgur.com/6eYXmgG


  • MachoFantast1c0
    2024 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Kills 3 and 4 are a bit fishy, they do occur however in a common angle where you can expect enemies to be in.

    And kills 3 and 4 are also headshots...Boy, not only is he expecting where they will be, but exactly where their heads will be! Talk about predictive power!

    My crosshair is consistently in places where heads are likely to be. Nothing predictive about it, just good aim management. And that is exactly why I said your clip is too short to prove ESP/WH.

    It is?
    https://imgur.com/6eYXmgG


    Probably is, but he just elects to not pull the trigger.
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Kills 3 and 4 are a bit fishy, they do occur however in a common angle where you can expect enemies to be in.

    And kills 3 and 4 are also headshots...Boy, not only is he expecting where they will be, but exactly where their heads will be! Talk about predictive power!

    My crosshair is consistently in places where heads are likely to be. Nothing predictive about it, just good aim management. And that is exactly why I said your clip is too short to prove ESP/WH.

    It is?
    https://imgur.com/6eYXmgG


    Probably is, but he just elects to not pull the trigger.

    Probably too hard to choose between holes.
  • 2HoleDoll
    25 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Kills 3 and 4 are a bit fishy, they do occur however in a common angle where you can expect enemies to be in.

    And kills 3 and 4 are also headshots...Boy, not only is he expecting where they will be, but exactly where their heads will be! Talk about predictive power!

    My crosshair is consistently in places where heads are likely to be. Nothing predictive about it, just good aim management. And that is exactly why I said your clip is too short to prove ESP/WH.

    It is?
    https://imgur.com/6eYXmgG


    Probably is, but he just elects to not pull the trigger.

    Aren´t stats grand. It´s like they tell the whole picture.

    One of my earlier games of BFV:



    Or how about some BF4:



    Not to mention that I don´t give a single f about my k/d or accuracy. My fecally w/l ratio bugs me far more. I want to win first and foremost.
  • Pelliy
    2228 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Kills 3 and 4 are a bit fishy, they do occur however in a common angle where you can expect enemies to be in.

    And kills 3 and 4 are also headshots...Boy, not only is he expecting where they will be, but exactly where their heads will be! Talk about predictive power!

    My crosshair is consistently in places where heads are likely to be. Nothing predictive about it, just good aim management. And that is exactly why I said your clip is too short to prove ESP/WH.

    It is?
    https://imgur.com/6eYXmgG


    Probably is, but he just elects to not pull the trigger.

    Aren´t stats grand. It´s like they tell the whole picture.

    One of my earlier games of BFV:



    Or how about some BF4:



    Not to mention that I don´t give a single f about my k/d or accuracy. My fecally w/l ratio bugs me far more. I want to win first and foremost.

    Yeah I can see how stats don't paint the picture. You take a lot of pot shots. which can make your accuracy seem worse than it actually is.
  • TFBisquit
    1506 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sometimes I see players emptying a couple of clips in a wall, by an ammo supply. Usually medics that have a good round. Always find that strange.
  • parkingbrake
    3202 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Micas99 wrote: »
    Micas99 wrote: »
    BL00DY-ROY wrote: »
    I have seen many videoclips of cheaters, but also many videoclips of said heaters that could be explained by knowing the game, game mechanics etc.
    The hacks migh be out of control, but it also seems to me the hackusation are also out of control.

    Hackusations do not matter. It doesn't affect anything at all.

    You keep saying this, but you are wrong. The reasons have been explained to you many times.

    No.. you're wrong. There is nothing that results from a hackusation. The state of the anti-cheat (or lack thereof) in BF5 and BF1 is the only thing that matters.

    An anti-cheat service has to check out reports of cheating, so the more invalid reports they have to sift through, the longer it will take to get to the real cheaters.

    Are you unaware that hack sellers actually recommend that their customers come to forums like this one and complain about false hackusations to muddy the water and make players think that complaints about cheating are unjustified and that false bans are common so anti-cheat services should not be trusted? If they think such disinformation is worth doing that says empty hackusations are indeed a problem.

    In BF3 a hack seller was able to trick Punkbuster into a wave of false bans of legitimate players which EA then had to clean up. Anything the hack industry can do to undermine confidence in anti-cheat systems, they will do. Unjustified hackusations serve the interests of the cheat industry, and being pig-headed about that doesn't change that reality.
  • BadBudgieSmuggla
    252 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    Micas99 wrote: »

    No.. you're wrong. There is nothing that results from a hackusation.

    You mean aside creating an environment of toxicity and distrust?

    The toxicity and distrust starts with idiots who cheat (and ruin the whole game experience for others) to feel good about their sad little lives. Lets not forget that. If a few good players get accused but they're not cheating it doesn't change much in the dynamic of the server. You'll always have those that moan but the majority of people over the age of five have broad enough shoulders to handle that. This whole thread is about the poor anti cheat in this game adn why EA/Dice aren't addressing the issue. If you feel so strongly about "hackusations" why not start a whole new thread. No doubt all the closet cheaters that are in this thread can jump on that and complain about being accused falsely
  • DigitalHype
    765 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Micas99 wrote: »
    Micas99 wrote: »
    BL00DY-ROY wrote: »
    I have seen many videoclips of cheaters, but also many videoclips of said heaters that could be explained by knowing the game, game mechanics etc.
    The hacks migh be out of control, but it also seems to me the hackusation are also out of control.

    Hackusations do not matter. It doesn't affect anything at all.

    You keep saying this, but you are wrong. The reasons have been explained to you many times.

    No.. you're wrong. There is nothing that results from a hackusation. The state of the anti-cheat (or lack thereof) in BF5 and BF1 is the only thing that matters.

    Exactly. I've been accused of cheating. I play clean. So, I don't care. Its inconsequential. However, DICE's insufficient anti-cheat is consequential. It impairs the gaming experiencing for everyone (even the cheaters). DICE's neglegence is driving some players away from the game, and driving other players to closet cheat.
  • Hercules728
    203 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    2HoleDoll wrote: »
    BL00DY-ROY wrote: »
    Have to be honest, that gameplay does NOT look like cheating to me. A tight spot where the enemy could bee seen besides the smoke. In this situation i always spray, because I know there is people there (and probably did he). And recoil control can be learned.

    If this is what is taken as "evidence" as cheating / hacks is rampant, then we should start a thread called "I hate to admit it, but there are hackusations in this game currently".
    And with the spotting mechanics (where you can tag people, recon binoculars tags, suppressive fire tags, etc) often there is a built-in wallhack in the game.

    I know there are cheaters in this game, but I have stated before that I have not seen / experienced many cheaters. And for me the game is fully playable / enjoyable (still playing in Europe).

    I have seen many videoclips of cheaters, but also many videoclips of said heaters that could be explained by knowing the game, game mechanics etc.
    The hacks migh be out of control, but it also seems to me the hackusation are also out of control.

    Look at the movement of the barrel and watch the trajectory of the bullet. They do not match. Sure this might be due to the wonky specmode, but you tend to see the effects of the recoil nonetheless, ergo this player is using no recoil hack/macro.

    Also towards the end of the clip when he turns the corner he is aiming over the stairs , not in front of or off to the side but right over them pre firing . He knew exactly where the enemy were in that disaster . There were just too many guys there for him to take out . I see 4 or 5 red flags in that 30 second clip . I don't know maybe he heard footsteps ?
  • 2HoleDoll
    25 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member

    Also towards the end of the clip when he turns the corner he is aiming over the stairs , not in front of or off to the side but right over them pre firing . He knew exactly where the enemy were in that disaster . There were just too many guys there for him to take out . I see 4 or 5 red flags in that 30 second clip . I don't know maybe he heard footsteps ?

    He peeked beforehand. Right side of the stairs was clear then. That doesn´t leave much up to the imagination with regards to enemy positions. Also, it´s unlikely that an enemy is infront of said stairs. So, the height of the aim is totally normal in that situation. I however would have prefired differently in that situation, namely closer to the wall on the left, that position gives you a better LoS in to the stairwell and is favored because of it. Just my 2c.
  • Micas99
    816 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    If a mod could un-bin my post please..
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Ravic has a new video out...He is spectating a game that has a cheater in it, and another player is also in it, a rather famous DICE employee. No, the DICE employee is not cheating.
  • D5RAT
    2002 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Lovely guy with a 352.43 to 1 KD gets FF banned , cried on reddit, gets told there is no error , cries a bit louder and gets ban lifted … that's what's wrong with EA
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    hawkseye17 wrote: »
    Until I see that cheating is happening I'm not going to believe it is happening

    How come we can't find you on battlefieldtracker.com anymore?

    You used to be on there, but not anymore...What's up with that?
  • Pelliy
    2228 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    D5RAT wrote: »
    Lovely guy with a 352.43 to 1 KD gets FF banned , cried on reddit, gets told there is no error , cries a bit louder and gets ban lifted … that's what's wrong with EA

    link?
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