This Week in Battlefield V

Nerf Mosquito FB MKVI and Nerf Ju-88 C

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  • PackersDK
    757 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    It’s been one of my pet peeves since BF1; Dices apparent inability to realize that what might work fine in one gamemode can be gamebreaking in another.

    I’m not really a fan of CQ, so I’ve been playing Ops in BF1 and Breakthrough in BFV. These are gamemodes with 1 or 2 flag sectors. The 4000 lbs Mosquito bomb is an absolute joke in these modes! How Dice can’t foresee something like this is beyond me.

    It’s a certain 3-5 kills per bomb dropped, only slightly less than the JB2 bomb.

    This reminds me of the idiocy that was the heavy bomber in BF1. Yes, there were counters, it could be shot down. But even if the pilot only managed 1 or 2 attacks he could do very, very well (and probably have fun) just respawning in the plane and go to town repeatedly.

  • NLBartmaN
    3304 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    PackersDK wrote: »
    It’s been one of my pet peeves since BF1; Dices apparent inability to realize that what might work fine in one gamemode can be gamebreaking in another.

    I’m not really a fan of CQ, so I’ve been playing Ops in BF1 and Breakthrough in BFV. These are gamemodes with 1 or 2 flag sectors. The 4000 lbs Mosquito bomb is an absolute joke in these modes! How Dice can’t foresee something like this is beyond me.

    It’s a certain 3-5 kills per bomb dropped, only slightly less than the JB2 bomb.

    This reminds me of the idiocy that was the heavy bomber in BF1. Yes, there were counters, it could be shot down. But even if the pilot only managed 1 or 2 attacks he could do very, very well (and probably have fun) just respawning in the plane and go to town repeatedly.

    Vehicles are in the game (and in war) to make a difference, to break lines and push a team forward or defend an objective, they should be able to make 5 kills in 1 run, otherwise they are usless, would make too less impact on the game.

    Vehicles are also very limited in the game, have limited ammo, have a respawn delay and resupply delay and all have very good counters.

    The 4000lbs bomb CAN do 5 kills in a run, but only when a objective is being taken and all players are on the same spot, the damage area is very small.
    The objective areas (I think) are larger than in BF1 so hitting more than 1 enemy is harder than it looks.
    And most defenders are outside the objective area with their 3x scope weapons.

    Add to that, that even when your team has more than 15 snipers, none of them use spot flares so you throw your bomb on instinct/luck, since visibilty from a plane is total crap (on a tv on console).

    The only way a vehicle player can do very well is when the enemy team is too lazy or too stupid to do something about it.
    It takes less than a minute (including finding the plane and getting behind it) with a Stuka B2 to shoot down a Mosquito and that pilot can do nothing about it.

    Vehicles are weaker than in BF1 and have very little impact on the outcome of a game which is a bad thing!

    But for infantry only players even these weak vehicles are too much ... why do those players play BF or gamemodes with vehicles, I don't understand ...
  • PackersDK
    757 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    Vehicles are in the game (and in war) to make a difference, to break lines and push a team forward or defend an objective, they should be able to make 5 kills in 1 run, otherwise they are usless, would make too less impact on the game.

    Vehicles are also very limited in the game, have limited ammo, have a respawn delay and resupply delay and all have very good counters.

    The 4000lbs bomb CAN do 5 kills in a run, but only when a objective is being taken and all players are on the same spot, the damage area is very small.
    The objective areas (I think) are larger than in BF1 so hitting more than 1 enemy is harder than it looks.
    And most defenders are outside the objective area with their 3x scope weapons.

    Add to that, that even when your team has more than 15 snipers, none of them use spot flares so you throw your bomb on instinct/luck, since visibilty from a plane is total crap (on a tv on console).

    The only way a vehicle player can do very well is when the enemy team is too lazy or too stupid to do something about it.
    It takes less than a minute (including finding the plane and getting behind it) with a Stuka B2 to shoot down a Mosquito and that pilot can do nothing about it.

    Vehicles are weaker than in BF1 and have very little impact on the outcome of a game which is a bad thing!

    But for infantry only players even these weak vehicles are too much ... why do those players play BF or gamemodes with vehicles, I don't understand ...

    I agree with you on the role of vehicles 100%. But I guess we disagree to how much of an impact is acceptable. Is 5 kills in a run acceptable? Of course. But I think it’s a bit much if 5 kills is almost guaranteed. Unless the pilot is completely clueless.

  • stiny1838
    263 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 15
    xKusagamix wrote: »
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    I have the ju-88C on rank 4 and tried every specialisation tree.
    The plane is pure trash and has nothing usefull enough to choose it above the ju-88A or a Stuka.
    You won't see this plane in the game once everyone has it rank 4.
    So the British has better fighter and bomber plane?

    yes the British have better planes (fighters) but Germans have better tanks just as it was irl the only thing is there is not as many ways to counter the planes
  • NLBartmaN
    3304 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    PackersDK wrote: »

    I agree with you on the role of vehicles 100%. But I guess we disagree to how much of an impact is acceptable. Is 5 kills in a run acceptable? Of course. But I think it’s a bit much if 5 kills is almost guaranteed. Unless the pilot is completely clueless.

    Those 5 kills are NOT guaranteed, like I explained and know from experience.

    The impact of vehicles is very low, also one of the reasons BF V is a camp game, you can safely camp with little risk of being killed by a vehicle.
  • TEXls1
    226 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Oh, another nerf thread. Game must not be dead yet.
  • Hawxxeye
    5570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 15
    Leveling the JU-88 C is an absolute nightmare it has a peashooter at start and toy bombs
    Do dice decide on what specialization to put and where to place them in the tree by cutting the head of a chicken over a ring of spec icons and waiting to see where the body falls over?
    Post edited by Hawxxeye on
  • MarxistDictator
    4907 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    The JU 88 C is the worst plane on the German side. But typical buttblasted inf and tank players crying about everything.
  • Rogue-Mike
    288 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    All it takes is 1 or 2 competent fighter pilots or consistent AA users to deny enemy air steamrolls. If your team allows it, you deserve it. Only thing I'd say is to scale back the new Mosquito's fire rate ever so slightly to the fire rate of the Tank Hunter Attack plane of BF1 BUT making its damage output more consistent on targets with its splash/direct hits. There will always be that group of players that want everything that hampers their one class wonder style to be nerfed into oblivion.
  • Hawxxeye
    5570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Rogue-Mike wrote: »
    All it takes is 1 or 2 competent fighter pilots or consistent AA users to deny enemy air steamrolls. If your team allows it, you deserve it. Only thing I'd say is to scale back the new Mosquito's fire rate ever so slightly to the fire rate of the Tank Hunter Attack plane of BF1 BUT making its damage output more consistent on targets with its splash/direct hits. There will always be that group of players that want everything that hampers their one class wonder style to be nerfed into oblivion.
    We also need to take some time to appreciate that most of the SAAs are almost never manned aside from the random soldier who is trying to take revenge for his previous death
  • NLBartmaN
    3304 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Hawxxeye wrote: »
    We also need to take some time to appreciate that most of the SAAs are almost never manned aside from the random soldier who is trying to take revenge for his previous death

    it is a 99,9% certain death if you use SAA, so why would you do that?
  • MarxistDictator
    4907 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Still better than the BF1 AA that was better vs planes than a fighter with rockets. I'd often get a response from AA campers admitting they would only do it because it was easy and they'd get more kills than by playing normally. That thing wasn't right and it spoiled everyone coming into this game.

    However the SAAs are more useless because of blind spots and bad placements in this game, not damage.
  • Hawxxeye
    5570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 15
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    Hawxxeye wrote: »
    We also need to take some time to appreciate that most of the SAAs are almost never manned aside from the random soldier who is trying to take revenge for his previous death

    it is a 99,9% certain death if you use SAA, so why would you do that?
    to help the friendly planes finish off someone
    Removing 25% to 50% of a passing plane that is attacking a friend or is under attack by a friend can make all the difference
    Post edited by Hawxxeye on
  • WesleyF09
    65 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Any kid who doesn't crash his plane on the ground after spawning is able to take down mosquitos and Ju88C, it's not a problem since those planes fly/turn super slow and have large hitboxes....
    Stop crying, soon people will start to fly mainly fighters again, it's just because the plane is new... So you will see less mosquitos and ju88c through the days and other tides of war rewards...
    Mosquitos and Ju88C are good but very very vulnerable, specially the Ju88C which doesn't have cannon+bomb simultaneously, does less damage compared to the Mosquito ...
  • SirBobdk
    4070 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 17
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    I have the ju-88C on rank 4 and tried every specialisation tree.
    The plane is pure trash and has nothing usefull enough to choose it above the ju-88A or a Stuka.
    You won't see this plane in the game once everyone has it rank 4.
    Try the 4 x 20mm gun. It kills bombers faster than the Stuka B2 and is a beast against infantry.
    But yes Air is a mess and need a serious tweak.
  • Hawxxeye
    5570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    SirBobdk wrote: »
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    I have the ju-88C on rank 4 and tried every specialisation tree.
    The plane is pure trash and has nothing usefull enough to choose it above the ju-88A or a Stuka.
    You won't see this plane in the game once everyone has it rank 4.
    Try the 4 x 20mm gun. It kills bombers faster than the Stuka B2 and is a beast against infantry.
    But yes Air is a mess and need a serious tweak.
    It has that terrible 3rd person reticule while in first person it screen shakes like mad
  • SirBobdk
    4070 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Hawxxeye wrote: »
    SirBobdk wrote: »
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    I have the ju-88C on rank 4 and tried every specialisation tree.
    The plane is pure trash and has nothing usefull enough to choose it above the ju-88A or a Stuka.
    You won't see this plane in the game once everyone has it rank 4.
    Try the 4 x 20mm gun. It kills bombers faster than the Stuka B2 and is a beast against infantry.
    But yes Air is a mess and need a serious tweak.
    It has that terrible 3rd person reticule while in first person it screen shakes like mad
    I don't have that ??. I did with the MG.
  • Hawxxeye
    5570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    SirBobdk wrote: »
    Hawxxeye wrote: »
    SirBobdk wrote: »
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    I have the ju-88C on rank 4 and tried every specialisation tree.
    The plane is pure trash and has nothing usefull enough to choose it above the ju-88A or a Stuka.
    You won't see this plane in the game once everyone has it rank 4.
    Try the 4 x 20mm gun. It kills bombers faster than the Stuka B2 and is a beast against infantry.
    But yes Air is a mess and need a serious tweak.
    It has that terrible 3rd person reticule while in first person it screen shakes like mad
    I don't have that ??. I did with the MG.

    check the part after 9 sec
  • SirBobdk
    4070 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    @Hawxxeye wrote
    check the part after 9 sec
    Strange. I don't have that at all with the 4x20 mm but I do have the same with the mg
  • Hawxxeye
    5570 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    SirBobdk wrote: »
    @Hawxxeye wrote
    check the part after 9 sec
    Strange. I don't have that at all with the 4x20 mm but I do have the same with the mg
    At best the 4x20mm turn the plane into a slow moving spitfire VA with low velocity shots
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