New JackFrag's video makes me want to crawl up into a ball and cry.
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March 17, 2019 12:13AM
edited March 17
I've never seen such pathetic way to try and hide the fact that Dice totally screwed up with BF5. He made 3 points - Lets discuss all of them.
1st: Communication between developers and players could be better. Let me rephrase that for you Jack - Communication between players and developers could at least exist on some levels because right now it doesn't. The only communication we have now is with the people who are asking us what they should fix next. There is no communication with teams who balance the game, teams who develop new content (No roadmap, not a single word on future content at all). I would very much like to talk to people who decided on balancing vehicles and weapons in this game to hear their excuse for this mess. I don't accept type of communication that we have now aka Players - When are we getting new content? Developer - Soon™
2nd Game engine holding back their game design and player usability It doesn't. We had a ton of things working properly in previous games running on the same engine and they worked fine.
Assignments and medals tracked all at the same time. Symmetrical vehicle balance worked absolutely fine. Vehicle and weapon customization worked flawlessly for 4 games in a row, and now all of a sudden it doesn't work? Are you kidding me? What happened? Stars misaligned? Visibility was great in all games. Even BF1 that is pretty much 90% graphically similar to BF5 got superior visibility.
Class balance. You have BF1 where class balance was great. Every class had advantages and disadvantages. But NOOOOOO. You had to screw it all up by giving Assault most powerful weapons and those stupid MMGs for support that nobody asked for.
So tell me please, which of those problems is held back by the engine?
3rd EA got a decision to make on what they want BF5 to be That decision is already made which is noticeable judging by the content we're getting. EA already decided to finish most post launch development. Dice is just finishing post launch content and will be spoon-feeding us that content little by little to cover up their failure. Mark my words as we're getting updated roadmap next week. ----> We will be getting a single faction along with 2 or max 3 maps in the next 5 or 6 months along with meaningless content such as additional cosmetics, lazy limited time game modes, badly balanced vehicles and weapons.
Heres the original video. What do you think? You think he is telling the truth or saying what he was paid to say?
1st: Communication between developers and players could be better. Let me rephrase that for you Jack - Communication between players and developers could at least exist on some levels because right now it doesn't. The only communication we have now is with the people who are asking us what they should fix next. There is no communication with teams who balance the game, teams who develop new content (No roadmap, not a single word on future content at all). I would very much like to talk to people who decided on balancing vehicles and weapons in this game to hear their excuse for this mess. I don't accept type of communication that we have now aka Players - When are we getting new content? Developer - Soon™
2nd Game engine holding back their game design and player usability It doesn't. We had a ton of things working properly in previous games running on the same engine and they worked fine.
Assignments and medals tracked all at the same time. Symmetrical vehicle balance worked absolutely fine. Vehicle and weapon customization worked flawlessly for 4 games in a row, and now all of a sudden it doesn't work? Are you kidding me? What happened? Stars misaligned? Visibility was great in all games. Even BF1 that is pretty much 90% graphically similar to BF5 got superior visibility.
Class balance. You have BF1 where class balance was great. Every class had advantages and disadvantages. But NOOOOOO. You had to screw it all up by giving Assault most powerful weapons and those stupid MMGs for support that nobody asked for.
So tell me please, which of those problems is held back by the engine?
3rd EA got a decision to make on what they want BF5 to be That decision is already made which is noticeable judging by the content we're getting. EA already decided to finish most post launch development. Dice is just finishing post launch content and will be spoon-feeding us that content little by little to cover up their failure. Mark my words as we're getting updated roadmap next week. ----> We will be getting a single faction along with 2 or max 3 maps in the next 5 or 6 months along with meaningless content such as additional cosmetics, lazy limited time game modes, badly balanced vehicles and weapons.
Heres the original video. What do you think? You think he is telling the truth or saying what he was paid to say?
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These Guys want Viewers and a certain playstyle/game supports that Goal. Fast-paced, " action " videos where they kill right and left while talking their usual bull....
Well they changed Battlefield into such a game with Super Soldiers running like Usain Bolt nonstop and Weapons without any recoil at all. Combined with unbalanced vehicles that give Stuff for a dozen Videos about which Spec Tree is the best, what kind of awesome Killstreak they made with the Spitfire, Mosquito etc...
The Losers in all that are the normal players....
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2. The game engine is the back end. Just because it's worked on previous versions of software doesn't mean it's magically going to 100% work on newer versions. Between BF3 and BFV, there's been 2 whole new versions of C++ (and C#). Things break and things aren't compatible anymore. Code breaks on a fundamental level. And that's just the source. Game engines update to work completely differently. One update might calculate gravity by object.pos.y - GRAVITY (gravity is all caps because it's a constant). The next major version can be object.pos.y - getGravity() which may return a forumla that's exactly GRAVITY constant. It happens. The difference between Java 7 (legacy finished around July 2015) and Java 11 (current version for Long Term Support). There's also been significant increases to C++ and it can be made worse if they were running the previous LTS version (C++ 98 vs C++ (20)11). Things break. Just because they work once in a game 10 years ago doesn't mean it's going to work now.
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3. EA isn't the developer. They're the publisher and parent company of DICE, the creator. EA has the final say in what DICE creates. So DICE could want to make the best game they possibly could but EA pulls a "Microtransactions" and "Do this by <date> or you're not getting a bonus this year" for the DICE developers. DICE simply doesn't have enough time to do all of this work. They're already pushing sometimes up to 60 hours a week just developing. Least you could do is acknowledge it.
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Most of these points don't make much sense and it's clear that anyone that brings up any of them (especially point #2) that they've never developed anything software wise in their life, let alone over extended periods of time (5+ years). DICE has been working with BF for almost 20 years. Just because you were able to do something in BF 1942 doesn't mean you can be able to do that in BFV. 2 completely different games and 2 (effectively) completely different languages, engines, and hardware capabilities. It's nearly impossible to predict what can happen in the far future and to optimize for 10+ years from now is not in a company's best interest.
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So yes, the game is broken. No, you shouldn't stop complaining about it. But yes you should be complaining and actually using your brain when you do it vs just regurgitating what someone else said that still knows nothing about the back end, front end, or any other end of the development chain there can possibly be. So try and understand a little. Be constructive and patient.
You're telling me that because of a different code Dice is unable to make all Assignments to track at the same time. There isn't even a screen shake slider in the game. You think thats also because code doesn't allow for it?
Oh please these so called weekly Updates by the Developers are 99% just boring PR speech about things nobody is interested in.
While they never adress the topics the Community wants and asks:
New Maps ? No response ! Road map for the like the next six months ? No response ! Balance ? No response ! Costumization of Tank drivers and pilots ? No response ! new factions ? No response ! Body Costumization of the tanks ? No response ! Hardcore ? No response ! etc etc etc
Exactly. All they say is "We love our community bla bla bla, we're working hard bla bla bla we will do everything for you."
I share your disgust with how DICE has either managed to do away with many things which used to work, but pretending that everything worked well in previous titles just isn't true, and that applies to assignments. I can remember the angry threads about players not getting their unlock or whatever, so this is nothing new.
I did happen, but it surely did not happen to an extent that we have in BF5 where people literally could not unlock ToW assignments for weeks, not to mention one of the stupidest things in BF5 - Armory. Why do I even have to unlock a thing or be given one for free (Ribeyrolles and M1897 shotgun) only to have them put into armory instead of my inventory, its confusing af. So many people (Myself included) had issues where we would unlock something only to find out that its nowhere to be found. I never had this issue in BF3 or BF4 because it wasn't as common there. Hell even BF1 did a better job at giving you the reward you've earned.
As for activating assignments, its simple - Artificial progression. Dice deliberately prolonging our progression because the progression that we have now is very basic and minimal. If I weren't so lazy to change my assignments, I would already have golden skins for most of the guns in the game. But since I'm too lazy to leave the game and change them, I have about a billion of unfinished assignments in my inventory.
I’m not having a go at you, but just genuinely curious. It would be quite sensationel if you had evidence.
Not sure if you're so naive or just trolling. Or you think they will have a disclaimer saying "I sold myself to EA, but everything I say in the video it true".
Gamechangers have no opinions, or they cannot have one rather. Good example of this is LevelCap. He was criticizing BF1 at the beginning of its life cycle, and do you know what happened? Instant blacklisting from Gamechangers program. He even had to mention it saying that "My opinion is my own as I'm blacklisted from Gamechangers"
I’m not trolling or being naive. Perhaps they do censor themselves. But that’s not quite the same as taking money or something for saying specific things. You do understand it’s quite a serious accusation?
You have every right criticizing the game, but not being as critical as you is not the same as being bought.
Battlefield 1942 - BF2/2142 - no community feedback - absolutely brilliant gameplay and maps.
A lot of players think they know what's best for the game in their heads but it's just their personal preference, same goes for you tubers. I see Jfrags complain time and again about weather fx or anything remotely immersive in game, most recently- like the artillery barrage.
These are things that have every right to be in bf games and always have been.
So again, dice - learn to make good games again without relying on 1000's of different opinions, it's creating a mess.
All those influencers are just opportunists. I've always wondered how they always have perfect hit reg and never seem to suffer from cheating like other players. When you play video games you are susceptible to manipulation because you are constantly being bombarded with information. You hardly ever see anyone even talk about it. The situation just degrades over time. You can see it in the negative behaviour of players in chat and cheating as well. Plus these weird bandwagons that pop up and are becoming more and more disturbing. You push people so far and there's a push back eventually. All the decent and honest players get smashed in the middle when all they want is a decent game.
I guess that was a rant lol.
I mean Westie even had the nerve to say he hated people who only had bad things to say about bf...
Well they do take gifts, they get invited to overseas events quite often with everything paid, from planetickets to food to hotels. Do you thnk they want that revoked?
They get free games, free merchandise, free exposure at events..
Hell I remember Westie mentioning once getting his rig paid for by EA.
If that isn’t getting paid, I dunno what is..
Just look at what happened to LevelCap when he was critical of bf1...
Also, I find that especially JackFrags seems very stuck up his own bum.
2) While bugs can be inherited, we also don't know what has really changed like security, player stats server, location of servers or even the inter-networking (changing server farm owners) can create problems that can not easily be solved. However there are things that seem to be taking a backward step. It looks as if DICE had bigger plans but it got cut short. The armory is just meant to be the shop.
3) EA makes decision based risk/reward, some thing that happen to the game have nothing to do with EA.