I hate to admit it but there are cheaters in this game currently

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  • STOPchris
    467 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Bryjo3 said:
    cso7777 said:
    If I could get 120hz and full mouse support on console I would switch in a heart beat. No more will I have to question "yo is this guy is always prefiring me every firefight" "wait did he just pop my head for a mile away".
    It will be interesting to see what the next gen consoles have to offer. I've read we'll most likely be seeing them in 2020.  I imagine they will offer enough performance where EA and other companies will develop their games that offer native M/K support, which will spell doom for the PC market as other developers follow suit. EA's lack of perceived caring about the current cheating going on could be because their next BF release, Bad Company 3 releasing in late 2020 will offer native M/K support. EA may not even plan on supporting the PC platform. It seems like a logical development path for all future games, in paticular for dealing with the rampant cheating. It will also be interesting to see how Google's Stadia shakes out in the next few years. Something tells me I've already built my last gaming PC.  
    Perhaps. The PC gaming market is still billion-dollar-business and as long as they can make money selling PC-games they probably will. Hardware on consoles will still be much slower than PC-hardware (to keep the price down).

    These things (death of PC) were said when previous consoles was released and it didn't happen, so I still doubt it will happen this time either. But if performance is good enough and we get m+k, it could be a game changer.

    Cloud-gaming for FPS-games still seems like a dream (because of latency), but again, sometimes things move faster than we expect.
    I wish, I tried to play games like Apex on console. I just can't do it. The controller sucks. I would rather deal with cheaters than play with a controller. Also, the graphics and framerates are noticeably worse on console.

    Google Stadia, or a service like it, is the future in my opinion. Tap into a server with limitless CPU and GPU power, never have to worry about cheaters ever again, never have to upgrade anything but your monitor/TV ever again. If we get good enough latency I would pay $30 bucks a month for such a service, maybe more.
    That's funny, what was the name of the first big cloud gaming company... Onlive? They failed hard. They all will. The technology is garbage. 
  • Mc_TheRipper
    35 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Just got out of a game on devastation, one enemy got 75-12 with a shotgun and kept destroying whole squads by just coincidentally appearing just behind everyone.
    Got the usual cheater defenders on MY team (lol) but at least a few guys of the enemy team who reported him as well.
    Just not fun anymore, being shot from behind all the time no matter where I am. With a shotgun, two whole squads with one mag. Insane.
  • -Antares65z
    1610 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited April 5
    cso7777 said:

    These things (death of PC) were said when previous consoles was released and it didn't happen, so I still doubt it will happen this time either. But if performance is good enough and we get m+k, it could be a game changer.

    Cloud-gaming for FPS-games still seems like a dream (because of latency), but again, sometimes things move faster than we expect.
    When consoles were released, we weren't dealing with the magnitude of cheating that we are today. It's basically out of control now. If it continues, developers will start seeing a big hit in their PC sales to the point that they'll question if the platform is still worth supporting. Won't 5G be a solution for latency concerns with cloud gaming?
  • jog0ff
    138 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    wouldn't say that 5G will have any impact on gaming at all...
    the other thing is, PC games driving hardware manufacturers / market forward - every new game released got higher hardware requirements so it isn't so easy. Guess that 80pc of all PC components sold being used in gaming rigs as for office use you wouldn't need latest MB / CPU / GPU or RAM 
    It might be a good time for big PC hardware manufacturers to put some pressure on games developers as any drastic drop in PC games sale would affect them badly ..just my 5cents
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Recent questionable stats.
    7th on leaderboard for KDR.
    63.46 KDR.
    9.36 Kills per minute with Lewis Gun.
    7.4 Kills per minute, regular.
    27 rounds played.
    Last played, 4/3/2019.


    9th on leaderboard for KDR.
    60.31 KDR.
    8.94 kills per minute with Lewis Gun.
    6.74 kills per minute, regular.
    59 rounds played.
    7 solo wins, 0 solo losses, firestorm.
    Last played 4/1/2019

    14th on leaderboard for KDR.
    46.51 KDR.
    42 Kills per minute with Bren gun.
    (12 shots hit, 42 kills).
    100 rounds played.
    Last Played 4/4/2019

  • jog0ff
    138 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    They're pros mate :)
  • JPhysics
    804 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    They couldn't git gud so they got gud.
  • BadBudgieSmuggla
    252 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    cso7777 said:

    These things (death of PC) were said when previous consoles was released and it didn't happen, so I still doubt it will happen this time either. But if performance is good enough and we get m+k, it could be a game changer.

    Cloud-gaming for FPS-games still seems like a dream (because of latency), but again, sometimes things move faster than we expect.
    When consoles were released, we weren't dealing with the magnitude of cheating that we are today. It's basically out of control now. If it continues, developers will start seeing a big hit in their PC sales to the point that they'll question if the platform is still worth supporting. Won't 5G be a solution for latency concerns with cloud gaming?

    If online games all move to console i wouldn't lose any sleep. I simply don't play anymore as i don't feel it's even worth my time to end up playing cheats whether subtle or rage hackers. For me it's already game over. Playing a bunch of unfullfilled, unscrupulous idiots who even ruin the gorgeous graphics in game's nowadays to get an advantage isn't my idea of fun. Apathy from companies like EA and Dice on anti cheat has allowed the problem to fester and fester. Online gaming is literally a disease
  • 5hadyBrady
    404 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited April 5
    Everybody always forgets how many false positives are reported to the developers. Given the fact that games like this require modern GPU's, it's probably fair to say most people have shadowplay/relive. The developers need to set up a place where you can upload videos without having to upload to youtube, and then send youtube links to the developers not knowing if they ever watch them. I mean a public place where people can upload videos, where everybody can see them. Youtube is not appropriate for this. It's too big, and unless people title videos properly, you can't even find them. I'm not saying everybody has to have shadowplay or relive running in the background eating up frames, however, once you spot a cheater, you can just turn it on.  This way you're not losing out on performance all the time. There's no reason why the PC community should still be relying on sending in "cheat reports" on Origin, where most of them are never resolved. I too have seen blatant cheaters stick around for months on BF1 and BF5. If the developers aren't going to set up something like this, the community should. This way the cheating problem is squared away. Either it's a massive problem and everybody knows it, and can verify it. Or, nobody knows how bad the problem really is besides the developers, because they're the only ones who can see the reports. If we can all verify there are people cheating and not getting banned for several weeks or months, we have no reason to continue playing this game. Right now you don't know if it's just a few people slipping through the cracks, or if the developers are seriously just not doing anything. The community needs to resolve it, because the devs are not. I would also like to add, that it's absurd the developers have an algorithm to stop any kind of foul language, but can't seem to build an algorithm that bans people with stats that could never be accomplished without cheats. Like the post above 65 k/d and 50 kills a minute etc.
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
     Right now you don't know if it's just a few people slipping through the cracks, or if the developers are seriously just not doing anything. 
    Let's try to answer that question with a look at the leaderboard.  Kills per minute.

    Rank Player Region Kills/min Rounds Played

    1 player001 9.29 302
    2 player002 9.19 250
    3 player003 7.48 59
    4 player004 7.45 103
    5 player005 7.41 27
    6 player006 7.4 22
    7 player007 7.04 27
    8 player008 7.03 64
    9 player009 6.77 67
    10 player010 6.74 60
    11 player011 6.43 233
    12 player012 6.41 41
    13 player013 6.37 76
    14 player014 6.32 85
    15 player015 6.18 39
    16 player016 6.04 103
    17 player017 5.99 37
    18 player018 5.97 32
    19 player019 5.85 152
    20 player020 5.84 35
    21 player021 5.83 25
    22 player022 5.75 62
    23 player023 5.75 139
    24 player024 5.73 73
    25 player025 5.69 116
    26 player026 5.66 76
    27 player027 5.63 240
    28 player028 5.6 177
    29 player029 5.56 42
    30 player030 5.55 105
    31 player031 5.51 250
    32 player032 5.45 69
    33 player033 5.45 24
    34 player034 5.32 59
    35 player035 5.31 133
    36 player036 5.28 84
    37 player037 5.27 84
    38 player038 5.22 67
    39 player039 5.21 26
    40 player040 5.21 70
    41 player041 5.2 106
    42 player042 5.19 213
    43 player043 5.14 26
    44 player044 5.09 31
    45 player045 5.09 80
    46 player046 5.08 87
    47 player047 5.02 56
    48 player048 5.02 46
    49 player049 5 45
    50 player050 5 46
    51 player051 4.98 373
    52 player052 4.97 64
    53 player053 4.96 150
    54 player054 4.93 58
    55 player055 4.85 163
    56 player056 4.82 178
    57 player057 4.82 171
    58 player058 4.78 349
    59 player059 4.77 87
    60 player060 4.75 163
    61 player061 4.72 321
    62 player062 4.7 40
    63 player063 4.7 127
    64 player064 4.7 166
    65 player065 4.69 99
    66 player066 4.66 364
    67 player067 4.65 52
    68 player068 4.62 26
    69 player069 4.62 170
    70 player070 4.57 56
    71 player071 4.54 123
    72 player072 4.51 24
    73 player073 4.47 34
    74 player074 4.43 35
    75 player075 4.43 177
    76 player076 4.42 37
    77 player077 4.41 75
    78 player078 4.38 33
    79 player079 4.37 118
    80 player080 4.36 187
    81 player081 4.35 70
    82 player082 4.35 103
    83 player083 4.34 35
    84 player084 4.34 320
    85 player085 4.32 77
    86 player086 4.32 129
    87 player087 4.3 64
    88 player088 4.29 42
    89 player089 4.29 217
    90 player090 4.28 60
    91 player091 4.28 82
    92 player092 4.25 88
    93 player093 4.22 142
    94 player094 4.18 37
    95 player095 4.18 192
    96 player096 4.18 348
    97 player097 4.16 250
    98 player098 4.07 62
    99 player099 4.07 123
    100 player100 4.05 34

  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    The average player in the top 100 kills per minute has 5.22 kills per minute, and 109 rounds played.
  • SirBobdk
    3924 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited April 5
    The average player in the top 100 kills per minute has 5.22 kills per minute, and 109 rounds played.
    If it look like a fish, swim like a fish and smells like a fish it's probably a fish.
    I can find dodgy players like this every day.
  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1232 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
  • jog0ff
    138 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    epic ..for Gods sake 
  • jog0ff
    138 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    The average player in the top 100 kills per minute has 5.22 kills per minute, and 109 rounds played.
    The average player in the top 100 kills per minute has 5.22 kills per minute, and 109 rounds played.
    ..real pros, id ban every single one :)
  • TyroneLoyd
    1284 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    SirBobdk wrote: »
    Red_Label_Scotch said:
    The average player in the top 100 kills per minute has 5.22 kills per minute, and 109 rounds played.

    If it look like a fish, swim like a fish and smells like a fish it's probably a fish.I can find dodgy players like this every day.

    I believe about 3.0 maybe 3.5 is the ceiling for aggressive tournament players comparing to players like Relaaa.
    2.5-2.6 is as much as I could average playing as hard as I can. Anything higher is no where near norm. The average is around 1 (don't quote me)
  • SGT_Lindy
    97 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    OskooI_007 wrote: »
    I'm giving up on PC gaming due to cheaters. It's an unsolvable problem on PC and it's only gotten worse over the years.

    I'm buying a next gen console and hooking a mouse up to it. Cheating problem solved. I'm also trying Google Stadia when it comes out this summer. I'm curious if the input lag with a mouse will be tolerable.

    Either way, I can't wait to leave PC gaming and it's cheater problems in the past. I'll be playing new game releases cheater free and loving it.

    Keep in mind that many of the players you'll compete against will be using aftermarket controllers with built-in cheat macros. Consoles don't have nearly as bad a cheating problem as PC, but that isn't the same thing as being cheat free.
    I left the PC for the Xbox One.  Sure I feel like I come up against a K/M player even with Macros every once and a while, but they are stoppable.  I would say there is a 90-98% less of a chance of running into a console cheater (Chronos Max type) on the console vs the PC.  I do not miss playing on the PC at all.  I am using the same 1440p 144hz monitor on my Xbox One X at 120hz.  I think most console players do not want to spend $100 plus for a Chronos Max/XiM whatever to use K/M.  Even less want to dork around with the software to make macros and load them up.

    EA is to blame 100%.  They do nothing about the PC cheating problems.  A simple Google search for PC cheats for this game will show you quick results to profesional looking web sites.  Either try to shut them down or buy the software and reverse engineer it to block the stuff.

    Outside of Battlefield on the console I will not spend another dollar on any EA owned game.
  • 2HoleDoll
    25 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    cso7777 said:

    These things (death of PC) were said when previous consoles was released and it didn't happen, so I still doubt it will happen this time either. But if performance is good enough and we get m+k, it could be a game changer.

    Cloud-gaming for FPS-games still seems like a dream (because of latency), but again, sometimes things move faster than we expect.
    When consoles were released, we weren't dealing with the magnitude of cheating that we are today. It's basically out of control now. If it continues, developers will start seeing a big hit in their PC sales to the point that they'll question if the platform is still worth supporting. Won't 5G be a solution for latency concerns with cloud gaming?
    Eh, there have always been plenty of cheaters in games, the only difference to today: Servers with active admins. Yeah on occasion you ran into a kiddie who ragebanned you for noscoping them with the awp, but generally most servers were well maintained. And that makes a huge difference.
  • SquaddFather
    101 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Heck I think Sniper Rifles in this game are a hack right from EA, the hit detection is insane ,  I wish all other weapons in BF5 had had the hit detection of sniper rifle . I think they should limit Sniper Rifles as they do tanks .
  • pajsner
    65 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    cso7777 said:

    These things (death of PC) were said when previous consoles was released and it didn't happen, so I still doubt it will happen this time either. But if performance is good enough and we get m+k, it could be a game changer.

    Cloud-gaming for FPS-games still seems like a dream (because of latency), but again, sometimes things move faster than we expect.
    When consoles were released, we weren't dealing with the magnitude of cheating that we are today. It's basically out of control now. If it continues, developers will start seeing a big hit in their PC sales to the point that they'll question if the platform is still worth supporting. Won't 5G be a solution for latency concerns with cloud gaming?

    If online games all move to console i wouldn't lose any sleep. I simply don't play anymore as i don't feel it's even worth my time to end up playing cheats whether subtle or rage hackers. For me it's already game over. Playing a bunch of unfullfilled, unscrupulous idiots who even ruin the gorgeous graphics in game's nowadays to get an advantage isn't my idea of fun. Apathy from companies like EA and Dice on anti cheat has allowed the problem to fester and fester. Online gaming is literally a disease
    It will be that the cheat also moves to the consoles, right.
    Will the hackers who made a fortune on Frostbite engine just give up their income and start looking for employment? Not a chance, when there are idiots who pay their wages at any price. They only manufacture the cheats and the customers only buy what they think is worth the risk. And in Frostbite there is no risk.


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