Is this game bent towards casual?

MBT_Layzan · April 15, 2019 11:22PM

I think it is, and are we happy about that?

parkingbrake · April 15, 2019 11:39PM

Which check would you rather have deposited to your bank account, a dollar for every "casual" BFV player, or a dollar for each "competitive" player? Given the obvious nature of the answer, why would you expect EA to not feel exactly the same?

LOLGotYerTags · April 15, 2019 11:46PM

Battlefield has always been catered to the "casual" gamer.

There isn't much in terms of competitive gameplay in the BF series, 3 seems decent enough to lean into the competitive area.

BF1 had that incursions but I don't think there are servers for it anymore.

Rex_Holez · April 16, 2019 12:05AM

The last BF in the series that wasn't geared towards casuals was 2142.

Noodlesocks · April 16, 2019 12:16AM

Game is such a mish mash of design concepts that I'm not even sure if Dice Sweden knows the answer.

Titan_Awaken · April 16, 2019 12:28AM

Is 'Casual' synonymous with 'bad' now? If so, why is it so stigmatised?

Everyone and anyone is welcomed to play the game. I don't care if you're a 50 y.o battle-hardened hardcore vet or a 10 y.o casual skrub, just as long as you aren't toxic.

MBT_Layzan · April 16, 2019 1:01AM

I'm sorry I'm a bit I guess too many beers. Just ignore.

sabootheshaman · April 16, 2019 1:18AM

Rex_Holez wrote: »

The last BF in the series that wasn't geared towards casuals was 2142.

Would kill for 2142 on frostbite. After the first few patches it was quite balanced yet could still be perceived as asymmetrical. Someone go get me my Voss

Jayremie570 · April 16, 2019 1:23AM

As has been said, all games are geared toward casuals. It's literally a video game whereby one assumes control of little army men and plays war.

MBT_Layzan · April 16, 2019 2:13AM

sabootheshaman said:

Rex_Holez wrote: »

The last BF in the series that wasn't geared towards casuals was 2142.

Would kill for 2142 on frostbite. After the first few patches it was quite balanced yet could still be perceived as asymmetrical. Someone go get me my Voss

I'd really really love that too.

Rex_Holez · April 16, 2019 2:26AM

sabootheshaman said:

Rex_Holez wrote: »

The last BF in the series that wasn't geared towards casuals was 2142.

Would kill for 2142 on frostbite. After the first few patches it was quite balanced yet could still be perceived as asymmetrical. Someone go get me my Voss

Oh me too, had so much fun in 2142. The maps, the weapons, the squad play. Amazing game that hasn't been touched by any BF since.

UnearthedCO · April 16, 2019 4:00AM

LOLGotYerTags said:

Battlefield has always been catered to the "casual" gamer.

There isn't much in terms of competitive gameplay in the BF series, 3 seems decent enough to lean into the competitive area.

BF1 had that incursions but I don't think there are servers for it anymore.

COD caters to the casual gamer not BF.

full951 · April 16, 2019 4:04AM

Of course it is.

oX_-oBIGBOSS-FoX · April 16, 2019 4:38AM

No. This game is designed by and for the competitive mindset. Just take a look at the upcoming 5v5 competitive mode with exclusive maps, gadgets, soldier skins. However, aren't we all causal players who are looking for more 64p maps with more authentic WWII atmosphere?

SirSpectacle · April 16, 2019 5:08AM

Define "casual"

olavafar · April 16, 2019 5:42AM

Yes it is and yes most players are happy about that including me.

Doing something 'non casual' means putting in so much time and effort that it becomes a job. I already have one.

Vycinas2 · April 16, 2019 6:22AM

UnearthedCO wrote: »

LOLGotYerTags said:
Battlefield has always been catered to the "casual" gamer.

There isn't much in terms of competitive gameplay in the BF series, 3 seems decent enough to lean into the competitive area.

BF1 had that incursions but I don't think there are servers for it anymore.

COD caters to the casual gamer not BF.

So does BF. You can make it competitive with leagues and certain rules but the whole core is built for casuals. End of story.

SirBobdk · April 16, 2019 6:51AM

BFV is casuel and so have all BF games been. BFV is not different A game with 64 players will always be casuel.

Dice have tried several times to make it competitive, but it have never really worked and has not reach the competitive scene.

Although Dice implements 5x5 it does not make it competitive. It will still be casuals playing a competitive mod. It requires a lot more.

Since BF don't have rental servers or a competition scene, it will remain casual.

X_Sunslayer_X · April 16, 2019 7:28AM

BFV is imo for no one since almost the entire community has some serious gripes with the game.

"casuals" find the TTK too fast or other flaws in this unfinished game

"core"-fans or whatever you want to call them find the animations to be too infringing or general balance being worse then its ever been

the list is endless and support for BFV will drop faster then the bombs in WW2 did

SirBobdk · April 16, 2019 8:11AM

X_Sunslayer_X said:

BFV is imo for no one since almost the entire community has some serious gripes with the game.
"casuals" find the TTK too fast or other flaws in this unfinished game
"core"-fans or whatever you want to call them find the animations to be too infringing or general balance being worse then its ever been
the list is endless and support for BFV will drop faster then the bombs in WW2 did

EA/Dice has made every imaginable mistake and is fighting a lost war imo.

Once confidence is lost and the rumor is out in the street, there is rarely any way back.

They may have come to the same conclusion when we look at the current road map.

My guess would be that they put all ressources in the next BF and just enough ressources to keep BFV alive.

But imo live service is now just an empty word from the past without any content.

WetFishDB · April 16, 2019 8:27AM

Hmmm. It’s a tough one. I’d argue the TTK/TTD and visibility means it’s easier for casual players to get the odd kill through just being in the right place at the right time. A slower TTD would allow a more skilled player to react and potentially out aim them. The quick TTK means the recoil is rarely that influential as it doesn’t have time to build. So you could argue that the game helps them...

But by the same mechanics, casual players will get absolutely wrecked by experienced and skilled players. The same TTK that allows them to get the odd kill also absolutely wrecks them repeatedly.

I’d argue this game isn’t any more/less suitable to casual players. It just emphasises a different style of play (slower, more conservative/defensive, scoped).

I’ve seen even reasonably experienced (many days gameplay) players not find the game all that fun. I’ve had a few friends pick up BF for the first time and find it really unrewarding too. Personally I put that down to four things:

- Poor Visibility
- TTK/TTD being too quick
- Class imbalance
- Attrition

The combination of those four makes the game really unrewarding for lots of players IMHO.

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