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Community Broadcast - Changes to Rush

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PartWelsh
53 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, EA Community Manager, Battlefield V
edited July 19



Hi folks, 

This week, we’ll be bringing Rush back as part of Tides of War. It’ll be available in game on Thursday through till the end of Week 4’s Tides of War activity, and will feature a host of changes that we’ve made in response to your feedback, and observations that were made by ourselves from it’s first showing.

Below, I’ve invited Matthias Wagner to talk you through some of the changes that we’ve made, and what to expect this week.

Feel free to drop your questions below and we’ll check back in on the thread tomorrow to respond where we can.

Freeman // @PartWelsh

Edit - We've made an extra change to Rush that went live Friday at 1500 UTC. Rounds will now alternate between Attack and Defence before progressing to the next map.

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Hey guys, 

It has been a while since we last played Rush in Battlefield V and since then we have been busy adjusting the three layouts on Twisted Steel, Narvik and Devastation and the gamemode logic itself based in part on the feedback that we’ve received from you.

I think it’s best to recap the most common feedback first before we jump into the actual changes. So without further fanfare, here’s some of the most prominent feedback points, in no particular order:


  • The sectors are too wide allowing too much hidden flanking and back capping. 

  • The sectors are too short in length. Defenders should be able to push further towards the attackers.

  • Some of the maps should receive some Rush specific changes to make the mode shine on them.

  • Certain sectors are lacking cover or flanking alternatives.

  • The Reinforcement artillery barrage creates too much disturbance on the objective.

  • The defender artillery call ins from the objectives feel like a cheap way of getting kills.

  • The arming and disarming animations are too long.

  • The big artillery cannons allow for a lot of hide and seek at the objective cater more towards a campy playstyle.

  • Attackers seem to win most of the time on all 3 maps.


On top of that, one of the most common points of feedback that we heard was ‘just make it like it was in Battlefield 3’. So we’ve had another look at the numbers, metrics and setups of BF3, and incorporated them into Battlefield V’s version of Rush.

With all said, let’s look at what we have actually changed, what we didn’t want to change, and why it is that some things have stayed the same. 


  • After some internal discussion that we’ve had around the studio, and from playing on public servers with you all, we agree that some of the sectors and the areas of the maps that we were using needed some proper adjustments for Rush as well as some changes to the combat areas - in regards to both length and depth. More details about that are further below.

  • As you know, we also made adjustments to the Reinforcement artillery barrage a few updates back. We know how prominent this was when we first introduced Rush, we hope it will feel better now and we will keep an eye on it going forward should it not play out nicely - particularly in regards to Rush. 

  • Related to the above, we have removed the artillery call-in on the Rush objectives. It just didn’t make sense anymore with the Reinforcement option. 

  • We decided to keep the arming and disarming animations since they add an interesting risk/reward dynamic and require you to play a bit more with your squad. We agree that the situation could feel a bit sluggish, and for that reason we have sped up the animation and adjusted the interaction times to BF3 standards. 

  • The big artillery cannons have been replaced with smaller versions. This should make it easier to quickly read the space around the objective without getting surprised by hiding enemies.

  • We also adjusted the amount of tanks in Rush. We do believe that vehicles have a place in this gamemode, but with only 32 players and a more narrow playground we need to be more careful since they can heavily change balance of a sector. For that reason we reduced the overall amount of tanks. Narvik only supports tanks in the first sector, Twisted Steel offers a tank to the attacking team in the early sectors and then gives a tank to the defenders in the last sector. Devastation doesn’t support tank gameplay.


Let’s have a look at what changed specifically on each map.




General - The Combat Area in all sectors have received an extension to their depth (see here)

General - Spawns in all sector have received adjustments according to telemetry and layout changes. Furthermore the distances have been adjusted to reflect BF3’s metrics.

General - Fortifications got adjusted and extended across all sectors.





Sector 1 - The sector has been lengthened towards the attacker spawn and the attacker HQ has been pulled back behind the farm area.

Sector 1 - The A objective has been moved forward into the trenches (see here)

Sector 3 - The area between Sector 2 and 3 have received a pass on it’s fortifications and now has a lot more cover.

Sector 3 - Spawns for both teams have been adjusted depending on which objective has been destroyed. This was required since the objectives are now placed in sequence (meaning that one is closer than the other), vs in parallel across the frontline of the sector.

Sector 3 - Defenders have received a tank spawn for this phase. Tanks are otherwise available for attackers during phases 1-3, with phase 4 removing all tank spawns.




General - The Combat Area in all sectors have received an extension to their depth.

General - Spawns in all sector have received adjustments according to telemetry and layout changes. Furthermore the distances have been adjusted to reflect BF3’s metrics.

General - Fortifications have been adjusted, and extended across all sectors.




Sector 1 - The position of the objective that was previously on the street has changed. It’s now positioned in the city ruin area (see here

Sector 3 - This sector has been moved to the loading dock bridge as we felt that in the previous versions of sector 3 and 4 that they didn’t offer up a good playing space and the positioning of the objective didn’t play as well as we would have hoped (see here)

Sector 3 - The whole area around Objective A has received additional cover and improved geometry for better close quarter combat. We have also added the scaffolding geometry around the loading dock that has previously been introduced in Grind.

Sector 4 - This sector is now situated in the train depot, and up on top of the hill closest to the bunkers (see here)




General - The Combat Area in all sectors have received an extension to their depth.

General - Spawns in all sectors have received adjustments according to telemetry and layout changes. Furthermore the distances got adjusted to reflect BF3’s metrics.

General - Fortifications have been adjusted, and extended across all sectors.




Sector 1 - Defenders should no longer spawn in the Cathedral area, but instead spawn behind the objectives. This way attackers won’t get shot in the side when approaching the library.

Sector 2 - The positions of the objectives have changed completely in order to allow for a more balanced and fun experience. Fortifications and defense lines have also been accordingly adjusted.

Sector 2 - Some of the geometry changes that were introduced in Fortress have been added to the cathedral.

Sector 3 - The positions of the objective have changed completely. A is now situated in the narrow street parallel to the cinema. B is positioned in the lobby of said cinema. Fortifications and defense lines have been adjusted accordingly (see here)

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Hope that you are all looking forward to those changes! I for sure can’t wait to see how they play in public and to see if we are getting a few more steps closer towards the good old Rush experience. Please let me know what you think about all of this and once you’ve gotten hands on with it on Thursday, let us know how it plays. In my eyes, Rush is something that is special to the community, and something I want to develop together with you. 

Matthias Wagner // @Kenturrac

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Comments

  • VincentNZ
    3172 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    The problems will persist on Twisted Steel, since after a certain amount of time there is simply no cover left on the objectives, making going for them incredibly risky. For the other maps, there simply are too many players on too small maps, and game mechanics that favour static gameplay instead of a more mobile approach.
  • Noodlesocks
    3034 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    No new rush maps then.
  • BF_Bouns
    29 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Wow... I can't wait!!
    A lot integrations (feedbacks) from the community.
    GG :)
  • Warlust_gg
    7 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Really happy to see Rush return @Kenturrac and look forwards to playing with the updated settings and metrics, hopefully this will be it <3 Thank you
  • PartWelsh
    53 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, EA Community Manager, Battlefield V
    No new rush maps then.

    Not for this week. Priority for us was to take the experience we put up last time, examine it with everyones feedback, make changes, put it back out there to see if we've gone the right way.

    If we have, and people feel it's better then we would feel more encouragement to go back and see about adding new maps using this new approach.

    Let's play it this week, and see what we think of it, and then see about having that next conversation
  • PartWelsh
    53 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, EA Community Manager, Battlefield V
    VincentNZ said:
    The problems will persist on Twisted Steel, since after a certain amount of time there is simply no cover left on the objectives, making going for them incredibly risky. For the other maps, there simply are too many players on too small maps, and game mechanics that favour static gameplay instead of a more mobile approach.
    See how it plays this week. We've paid attention to that feedback and made changes to address that.
  • MatthewSkeet
    382 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Tanks are really not needed. They will camp at the back and nobody will actually attempt to get rid of them ...
  • FoxFerocity
    44 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I am so excited about this!! I just really wanna say Thanks DICE for listening! The only thing id love more, is if you made it a permanent game mode! Keep working hard like this DICE, you will keep improving BFV to a greater experience.
    I enjoy BFV a lot, if not one of my favorite Battlefield games ( Battlefield Vietnam from 2004 is forever #1 in my heart) and despite all the controversies,trash talking and issues, still BFV has kept me and my friends entertained in front of the computer screen for many hours, last time i played like this was back in BF4!
  • EdFitso
    1 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Are we ever going to get a ln improved factions system instead of just axis and allies on every map and mode?
  • ErrOrZ48
    47 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    cheater is big problem now

    do something dice
  • DrunkOnRedWine
    1599 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited July 18
    Why make so many changes into a game mode you will remove after a week ? Put RUSH/ FRONTLINES and that radio tower game mode into same playlist sheesh 
    Not a bad idea, hell any Frontlines and Outpost is better than none at all. 

    The changes to Frontlines were generally positive hopefully they will be for Rush too, why let all the hard work go to waste by removing them after a week? Outpost was generally well received too. 
  • iamwiener
    139 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    With reference to tanks, I absolutely dislike tank spawns being limited to certain sectors at the beginning. When I know that a tank does not respawn in the 2nd sector I use it even more cautious and draw back. Knowing that BF5 tanks are anything but offensive pushers it leads to more "tank artillery" camping. You might then remove tank refill stations so the tanker even starts saving his ammo for easy kills.
    BF is infantry AND vehicle warfare. Removing tanks to balance a map is a cheap and easy way not to do the job right. Design BF maps, plz. We are not here to play a better looking version of CoD TDM.
  • ElliotLH
    8529 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Why make so many changes into a game mode you will remove after a week ? Put RUSH/ FRONTLINES and that radio tower game mode into same playlist sheesh 
    That strikes me as a strange decision as well. This time-limited mode nonsense is getting tedious.
  • NochesSturm
    1 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Al-Sudan !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
  • Tiklikov
    17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Appreciate the work done. Looking forward to playing it again.
    Q: With Rush being my fav mode and considering the extra work you folks have put into it for this week, if you get positive feedback on it will it have a chance of being a permanent mode?
  • barnesalmighty2
    1555 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Why have you guys taken away attack then defend each map before the next map? It's a stupid choice.
  • VincentNZ
    3172 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    PartWelsh said:
    VincentNZ said:
    The problems will persist on Twisted Steel, since after a certain amount of time there is simply no cover left on the objectives, making going for them incredibly risky. For the other maps, there simply are too many players on too small maps, and game mechanics that favour static gameplay instead of a more mobile approach.
    See how it plays this week. We've paid attention to that feedback and made changes to address that.

    Sorry mate, but that does not hold up in the slightest. You are still crossing a wasteland each time you attack, and actual cover is only ever present directly on the objective. Never in between. This creates the issue, that once the attacking team zergs right into the objective area, the defenders then have to cross a wasteland on their behalf, just even worse. Flanking is made harder since they made the maps shorter and narrower, while also not providing lanes, so choosing any path will ALWAYS expose you to the whole frontline.
    Which is only made worse by the stupid attrition mechanic, that only really affects the attackers. I have no idea what inspiration your colleagues took from BF3 Rush, I never saw hip-high hedges or 10m of half-dug trench in any map there and called it "cover".
  • GRAW2ROBZ
    1896 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Rush was the best on Bad Company 2.
  • A_al_K_pacino_A
    617 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Another change. Out of bounds time is 3 seconds so cheeky OOB flanks on devastation are gone.
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