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Could we get rid of ALL skins

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  • Ferdinand_J_Foch
    3386 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited August 10
    DICE will clearly want to monetise some aspect of their games in order for them to provide additional content. They did that by selling map and weapon packs, but people complained about it. Now, they want to sell skins, and yet, people are still complaining about it. They'll try to find something, and it's pretty unreasonable to expect them to hand out oodles of free content with literally no monetisation whatsoever.

    Personally, I like having things like skins ... however, if a game was amazing enough, I wouldn't see it as a dealbreaker if there were no skins. I know I'm in the minority on this thread, but I digress.

    If they release a new Battlefield game without any skins or visual customisation whatsoever, there will be quite a few complaints about it. Look at CoD World at War. That game had no unlockable skins, unlike CoD4. The game got criticised a fair bit about having no skins, and this is considering the fact that weapon skins were new to the CoD franchise at the time. Battlefield has had soldier and weapon skins since 2011, so for many people, it's seen as an important part of player progression and personalisation. 

    At the end of the day, nobody has to equip weapon skins, so if you don't like them, don't put them on. This is somewhat akin to the European purists who complained about car customisation in NFS Underground 1 ... the franchise was all about driving expensive European (and the occasional American and maaaaaybe one Japanese) cars on country roads with no upgrading whatsoever. You'd be driving the sort of car that most of us would never dream of owning. Underground 1 changed that completely, allowing you to do practically anything to your car, from a selection of Japanese cars that were relatively affordable, but still pretty quick. Some people were only upset that no supercars were in that game, but a lot seemed oddly peeved about the possibility of adding even a simple decal to your car. They could easily avoid changing their car's appearance, but they no, they couldn't resist screaming in to the air if they saw so much as the smallest change on another car.

    I will admit that the soldier skins in this game could have been handled much better. Selling them for $7.5 a piece is not ideal, especially when you consider the fact that this game is not very polished. There's also the fact that the skins are incredibly inaccurate for the most part ... we don't have any proper British uniforms. Some of the recent uniform sets, such as the Wanderer German set, have been pretty decent though.

    Skins aren't going anywhere, especially when you consider that this is a casual mainstream franchise. Maybe, if this was a small-scale milsim made by indie devs, they could get away with this sort of stuff, but that's not what we're dealing with here. Hell, even in those milsims, you can use mods to change your skins. Insurgency II is a hardcore FPS (though not a milsim) with no skins, but it does have mod support, so you can technically put whatever you want. I had skins (and even new weapon models) for literally every gun in the game, and had soldier models ripped from Modern Warfare 2 and 3 to replace the severely outdated default models. It was quite staggering to see that the game looked so radically different due to all of my mods. This system is probably the best one out there, because you can download any skin you want, but nobody else has to be 'affected' by it.

    If BFV had mod support, I would download BF1-style gold or silver skins for pretty much every gun, and other people could download much more realistic skins ... those that don't like skins won't have to worry about their immersion being ruined in any way. However, I don't expect mod support to come to this franchise anytime soon, unless the people behind Venice Unleashed actually gain some interest in BFV ...
  • bmillsy513
    198 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Definitely. Besides if a Hardcore mode ever comes out, they almost have to be default, otherwise wouldnt know who is who and ff would be insanely high.
  • Pelliy
    2228 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited August 10
    Keep the skins. A portion of the playerbase plays to unlock or even purchase skins. Without the little that it has now those players disappear.
  • Godmodegta
    330 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    I guess yes.. , i wouldn't care for clothing, you can get rid of that, but i would like keep my guns skin, and doubt any player have problem with gun skin, like Battlefield 1, they weren't like crazy gun skin, just old wood skin, sliver, gold line, and lot of engravment, which i really like, and they were all un-equal.
  • Sharkbite9204
    56 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    What they should have done was design and reserve cosmetics for each specific class. So for instance, the Sanitäter helmet could have been an unlockable that you could only equip to your Medic. The torso with the ammunition belt or ammo box would be for support. Assault could have gotten something with a rocket on the back. Recon would have something with binoculars. And so on and so forth...

    I understand taking the customization route to give players choices but we still need some way to distinguish the classes from one another.
  • barnesalmighty2
    1520 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Yes, skins are pointless for me I never bother to change them.
  • Vespervin
    1333 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Would you play this game if there were no skins at all and you could only play with default characters and default gun looks?

    A) YES
    B ) NO


    (Its a first person shooter afterall).

    Yes, I could, but I would rather not. I quite like character customisation in video games, especially when they're not over-the-top and ruin the theme of the game. The customisation in this game, while inaccurate, is nice. I don't like weapon customisation as much, thankfully I don't have to use it and never notice other people using it.
  • GeneralXIV
    238 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    No, I wouldnt play the game if there were no skins.

    Overall Im more of an RPG fan than a shooter fan. I have a dislike for shooters overall. One of my favorite things to do at the start of an RPG is to customize my character. Ive been known to spend hours making a character that looks exactly the way I want them to, changing even their nose widths and things like that. Its something I enjoy because it can make every time I play the game unique... and I like playing as pretty characters. Im only human :P 

    Because not many games outside of RPGs often have character creators, gender options, romance options, dialogue choices and other things I enjoy, it's kinda rare for me to venture out into other genres. Especially with shooters, I need a real reason to play them because I mostly feel torn somewhere between thinking the games play alright but I never find the gameplay very interesting.

    Before Battlefield V, the last real shooter I played was Battlefront II. Which I played because Im a huge fan of Star Wars and also Janina Gavankar. Those were ultimately more of a reason for me to play than enjoying the shooting mechanics because they are shooting mechanics.

    The skins in Battlefield V give me that reason to play the game. They give me something that I enjoy as a goal and it means I enjoy the game overall. I'm not gonna say the skins are perfect, many of them are boring and shapeless, very few of them are available without paying for microtransactions (which Im not buying btw) and there are even no hair options available. But without them, I wouldn't have something I cared about to work for so my interest in the game would fall.
  • filthmcnasty
    477 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited August 14
    They need a Ah-nuld Schwarzenegger skin
  • Lancelot_du_Lac
    34 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Yes
    I play with default uniforms and skins as a silent (and useless) protest. However, I'm noticing more people doing the same!
  • Major_Pungspark
    1466 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    What they should have done was design and reserve cosmetics for each specific class. So for instance, the Sanitäter helmet could have been an unlockable that you could only equip to your Medic. The torso with the ammunition belt or ammo box would be for support. Assault could have gotten something with a rocket on the back. Recon would have something with binoculars. And so on and so forth...

    I understand taking the customization route to give players choices but we still need some way to distinguish the classes from one another.

    They also could have sold way more crap that way...;)
  • BaronVonGoon
    6778 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    GeneralXIV wrote: »
    No, I wouldnt play the game if there were no skins.

    Overall Im more of an RPG fan than a shooter fan. I have a dislike for shooters overall. One of my favorite things to do at the start of an RPG is to customize my character. Ive been known to spend hours making a character that looks exactly the way I want them to, changing even their nose widths and things like that. Its something I enjoy because it can make every time I play the game unique... and I like playing as pretty characters. Im only human :P 

    Because not many games outside of RPGs often have character creators, gender options, romance options, dialogue choices and other things I enjoy, it's kinda rare for me to venture out into other genres. Especially with shooters, I need a real reason to play them because I mostly feel torn somewhere between thinking the games play alright but I never find the gameplay very interesting.

    Before Battlefield V, the last real shooter I played was Battlefront II. Which I played because Im a huge fan of Star Wars and also Janina Gavankar. Those were ultimately more of a reason for me to play than enjoying the shooting mechanics because they are shooting mechanics.

    The skins in Battlefield V give me that reason to play the game. They give me something that I enjoy as a goal and it means I enjoy the game overall. I'm not gonna say the skins are perfect, many of them are boring and shapeless, very few of them are available without paying for microtransactions (which Im not buying btw) and there are even no hair options available. But without them, I wouldn't have something I cared about to work for so my interest in the game would fall.

    You're the first no
  • BogMogg
    21 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Happens all the time that I get killed by someone I choose not to shoot at because he had a friendly uniform, only to realise to late that it was an enemy.

    Yes, I do this to ze Germans as a brit medic in Rotterdam and Devastation. I dont recall the name of the camo, but its fully grey w/ a grey gasmask, and I straight up look like an axis soldier with my mp40. Ive just walked around casually mp40’ing fools until someone finally stares at me a while and then realizes im a bad guy.
    That is a great idea
  • echo-smoker93
    81 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    edited August 14
    1 month ago I would say yes but now? I have bought some skins sooo no but I don't care if I don't have skins in a future Bf game, after all we are in an FPS and not an RPG.
  • TheNoobPolice
    1577 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I don't own a single skin in any game knowingly. All my BF1 weapon skins acquired were traded for XP boosts.

    So yes -  I think skins are for idiots who want to be play dress up with virtual Ken and Barbie Dolls. As far as I'm concerned there are games like The Sims for those people and I have no idea why they are trying to play a military themed arcade FPS.
  • Turban_Legend80
    4601 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Member
    If i bought the game then yes I would play it if there were no cosmetic options.

    2000 hours on BF4 and I don’t think I have changed the camo on any gun or soldier since I first unlocked them.
  • azelenkin0306
    560 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    GeneralXIV wrote: »
    No, I wouldnt play the game if there were no skins.

    Overall Im more of an RPG fan than a shooter fan. I have a dislike for shooters overall. One of my favorite things to do at the start of an RPG is to customize my character. Ive been known to spend hours making a character that looks exactly the way I want them to, changing even their nose widths and things like that. Its something I enjoy because it can make every time I play the game unique... and I like playing as pretty characters. Im only human :P 

    Because not many games outside of RPGs often have character creators, gender options, romance options, dialogue choices and other things I enjoy, it's kinda rare for me to venture out into other genres. Especially with shooters, I need a real reason to play them because I mostly feel torn somewhere between thinking the games play alright but I never find the gameplay very interesting.

    Before Battlefield V, the last real shooter I played was Battlefront II. Which I played because Im a huge fan of Star Wars and also Janina Gavankar. Those were ultimately more of a reason for me to play than enjoying the shooting mechanics because they are shooting mechanics.

    The skins in Battlefield V give me that reason to play the game. They give me something that I enjoy as a goal and it means I enjoy the game overall. I'm not gonna say the skins are perfect, many of them are boring and shapeless, very few of them are available without paying for microtransactions (which Im not buying btw) and there are even no hair options available. But without them, I wouldn't have something I cared about to work for so my interest in the game would fall.

    Interesting point of view. Just curious - why do you like skins in FPS where 99% percent of playtime you don’t see them?

    I completely understand why people like skins in 3rd person games, but FPS :)
  • GeneralXIV
    238 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member

    You're the first no

    I'm a walking unpopular opinion, what can I say? :P  



    Interesting point of view. Just curious - why do you like skins in FPS where 99% percent of playtime you don’t see them?

    I completely understand why people like skins in 3rd person games, but FPS :)

    I do see them sometimes, using certain vehicles in third person or in My Company. I guess there's an element of 'other people can see them', but I'm not sure that completely explains it.

    If I had to guess (yup, I have to guess my own opinions sometimes... its a thing) Id maybe say that it's about the games I usually play. In them, I... have a reason to care? Take Dragon Age, for example. I love Dragon Age so much. You kinda go on a journey with your character - you get to choose how they look, have options that determine how they act. At the beginning of the games, you kinda start as a nobody and experience their world through their eyes. You get to know some interesting NPCs and empathize with them in your adventures, even falling in love with them from the perspective of a player AND your character can also fall in love (even getting married in DAI). And... all of that makes me care. I care about the characters, I care about the story, I care about my protagonist. There is also a lot of variety in those games - one moment you can be fighting a dragon in a desert, the next you can be in a masquerade ball with nobility.

    When I play FPS games though, I kinda struggle to find a reason to care. Especially if my character looks identical to everyone else around them, it's like... why does it matter? Where's the reason for me to care? The game would have the same locations, same weapons, same soldiers, no journey or story... it's just pew pew pew boom boom boom. Im not winning a battle for story reasons or for a 'cause' Im just playing a shooting game fighting against other players.

    I know in Battlefront II when they added cosmetic options, I had fun headcanoning things. I kinda had fun 'creating' characters from the cosmetic options available, creating little backstories for each class and using weapons that I thought would be most appropriate for their personalities. I headcanoned that my First Order Heavy was a huge fan of explosives so I gave her all of the explosives, and kinda made a story about how she and my Twi'lek Resistance Specialist were in a secret relationship that defied the sides of the war. I guess that's just the kind of person I am, I like creating characters and stories and for me, doing that in Battlefront II just added another layer to the gameplay and made me just care a little more about what I was doing. I would play a role of the characters I had created, and it really did improve my enjoyment of the game. I enjoyed it anyway, but it made me a little happier.

    I guess it's the same with Battlefield V. By making my character look different, unique I guess, it kinda engages the creative part of my brain. I wouldn't say that I do it to the same extent as in Battlefront II - I love Star Wars, so that helped - I haven't even given my BFV characters names. But, they have personalities. They have backstories. And that makes me care about them, and if I'm more emotionally attached to a game, I'll like it a lot more.

    One of my favorite games is Life is Strange. It isn't a shooter, it doesn't have any 'real' action. It's more of a walking simulator with some small supernatural elements. There's no combat at all. But, it's one of my favorite games because I love the characters and the story, not because of the gameplay. I mostly judge games on how they emotionally affect me, and Im not sure a game like Battlefield V would at all (though the prologue/introduction did - that was emotional and great) if the cosmetics weren't there. There just wouldn't be "the reason". It would be shooting people because shooting people, if that makes sense. I dont think I could do that.

    Where other players might think "urgh, cosmetics, they dilute the game and weapons/vehicles would be better" I think "ooooh cosmetics, what story can I think of for my character to wear them?" (though weapons/vehicles would also be nice).

    I think unlike most people here, Im not really a fan of FPS games overall. Im not really competitive either, and I dont really get any enjoyment about being the best at something... Im more happy with mediocrity. So it's probably the reason why I think differently to the majority. I'm not a Battlefield fan who has played every game in the series... Im an RPG fan who loves story, characters, romance and character creation and has only played like 3 FPS games in their life, and disliked one of those (Modern Warfare 2) (there was a fourth - Borderlands 2 - I played it for around 15 minutes and it made me feel nauseous and I never played it again).

    The cosmetics were the reason why I decided to preorder/purchase Battlefield V, to be honest. I knew Battlefield 1 was successful, and I had been slightly to try it because it was so successful... though I decided not to, because buying a game because other people enjoy it is a bad idea and mostly leads to disappointment in my experience. If there's a super popular game 'everyone' is playing, I have a tendency to dislike it. Anyway, I saw the Battlefield V trailer, I heard about the cosmetics and the gender options and I figured I'd try it out because it seemed more interesting to me than the other games that had come before.

    That was a surprizingly long rant :o
  • snakeater418
    247 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    It wouldn't affect gameplay at all. So I would play it. But removing the customization is just moving backwards. You shouldn't be able to tell what class a person is by just looking at them. It gives a little personal touch that makes it look nicer when you have a bunch of different looking players running around as opposed to only 4.
  • FoxFerocity
    44 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    NO thanks!
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