Weekly Debrief

Was I ever wrong!

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  • mike2289
    32 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    ackers75 wrote: »
    I have played the 10 v10 and if the larger player count modes play as good I am all in on this one.

    No one bullet deaths
    No amazing bendy bullets
    I can see all enemies

    It’s already a more polished game in beta form!


    No 1 bullet deaths? They also have a sniper with 1 shot kill. Plus every time you die feels like a 1 shot kill because if the short ttk.
  • UraniumReaper
    577 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    mike2289 wrote: »
    ackers75 wrote: »
    I have played the 10 v10 and if the larger player count modes play as good I am all in on this one.

    No one bullet deaths
    No amazing bendy bullets
    I can see all enemies

    It’s already a more polished game in beta form!


    No 1 bullet deaths? They also have a sniper with 1 shot kill. Plus every time you die feels like a 1 shot kill because if the short ttk.

    Maybe he is talking about super bullets? I've played the beta, I've not experienced much of a super fast ttk where I can't react or at least know I'm taking fire. I've been around a corner in BFV and suddenly just die from a Tommy gun that had shot me 5 seconds earlier because of the cruddy netcode.
  • mike2289
    32 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    mike2289 wrote: »
    ackers75 wrote: »
    I have played the 10 v10 and if the larger player count modes play as good I am all in on this one.

    No one bullet deaths
    No amazing bendy bullets
    I can see all enemies

    It’s already a more polished game in beta form!


    No 1 bullet deaths? They also have a sniper with 1 shot kill. Plus every time you die feels like a 1 shot kill because if the short ttk.

    Maybe he is talking about super bullets? I've played the beta, I've not experienced much of a super fast ttk where I can't react or at least know I'm taking fire. I've been around a corner in BFV and suddenly just die from a Tommy gun that had shot me 5 seconds earlier because of the cruddy netcode.

    If thats the case for that example i get it.
  • mike2289
    32 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    thamac15 wrote: »
    Never will I complain about BFV’s problems because let me eat crow real quick.....Modern Warfare isn’t going to negatively impact BF at all!
    thamac15 wrote: »
    Never will I complain about BFV’s problems because let me eat crow real quick.....Modern Warfare isn’t going to negatively impact BF at all!

    I was thinking the same thing today. After playing the beta it reminded me why i enjoy BF so much more even with its faults. Cod is still cod and not in a bad way, just not for me.
    Battlefield all the way.
  • MogwaiWarrior
    722 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    mike2289 wrote: »
    thamac15 wrote: »
    Never will I complain about BFV’s problems because let me eat crow real quick.....Modern Warfare isn’t going to negatively impact BF at all!
    thamac15 wrote: »
    Never will I complain about BFV’s problems because let me eat crow real quick.....Modern Warfare isn’t going to negatively impact BF at all!

    I was thinking the same thing today. After playing the beta it reminded me why i enjoy BF so much more even with its faults. Cod is still cod and not in a bad way, just not for me.
    Battlefield all the way.

    Haven’t even played the beta yet but I guarantee if I did I would be saying the same thing. COD has a certain feel and BF has a certain feel. I just like the way BF feels. Nothing against COD though, just like BF better.
  • Trokey66
    8380 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited September 15
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
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    Not difficult at all, but this topic is about the new CoD being a "threat" for BF V.

    For lots of players (like me and ackers), there is not a very big difference between CoD and BF (certainly not if you look at BF V) and all we want is a working game (with BF elements like 32 vs 32 and vehicles, which will be in the new CoD)

    Off course there will be players that dislike CoD and that is not a problem at all, but CoD will most certainly be a big threat for BF V and mostly because it works and the Alpha and Beta run as smooth as can be and the developer listens to the Beta testers and instantly makes changes/tweaks when lots of players ask for it/are mentioning something.

    There seems to be an assumption here that because BFV is poor and this new Cod runs well that everyone will jump ship and that is simply not the case.

    There are basically 3 groups of players and in very simplistic terms they are:

    Those that play Batlefield
    Those that play CoD
    Those that play both

    No doubt many that play both will move over but that is inevitable irrespective of how well either game plays.

    Those that play Battlefield however, will either stick with it or play something else that is not CoD. I'm playing The Division for example.

    There may well be some Battlefield players that will give it a punt, some may like it but others won't and return or play something else.

    Just because CoD may run well doesn't mean everyone will play it and enjoy it.
  • MAILBOMB
    303 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I think most of the people here giving it the great reviews just really like giving BFV a good kicking. BFV deserves it in it's current iteration because the last patch basically broke it but to say CoD doesn't have the one bullet deaths or getting shot around corners and the teams have even numbers is patently rubbish.

    But you guessed it that’s right your wrong.
  • research-kitchen
    355 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    NLBartmaN said:
    You think I’m some kind of blinkered fanboy when I just tried to explain the concept of differing tastes. You: “How could you not like pasta! Are you crazy! What an idiot. It’s people like you that blah blah blah”. I’ve been playing Apex Legends all day. Is that allowed? You and NLBartmaN attacking me and getting all emotional because I don’t like COD. You are acting like kids. Why don’t you go tell your wife how some guy on the internet is causing a problem by not liking your new favourite video game?
    We are not talking about taste, we are talking about a completely broken game with no identity at all after almost a year and comparing that with a game with a clear identity and working smooth as can be in a Beta ... and all you can say is: I don't like it, which is no problem at all.

    But for me and ackers and lot of other players this CoD (when 32 vs 32 and vehicles arrive) and BF are not that different and all we want is a working fps game with those elements ...
    I'm with you 2 i'm gonna give the Beta an unbiased shot #pun.  
  • The_BERG_366
    2335 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
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    In the CoD Beta until now I did not get stuck at anything (unlike constantly in BF V), did not encounter hiding players I could not see, did not encounter more than 2 campers in an entire round of HQ, there are barely any dark croners (only some in the cave), the movement is even al little bit too slow, haven't seen any jumping, sliding or dodging like in BF V ...

    BF V tries to be CoD, but CoD is just better in being CoD ... BF should go back to being BF ...

    in what way is bf trying to be cod? People keep making that point yet never back it up with anything. imo it's because it's actually complete bs...
    the other guy is right though. if you dislike cod gameplay you will still dislike mw. nothing has changed in terms of the feeling. there is a different skin, larger modes (btw having seen no more than 10v10 im not yet just buying 50v50. like generally i don't think bigger is better anyways but still) but it's still cod at its core. cod is very movement based... Good players jump shot and slide around constantly. now this isn't necessarily a bad thing in my book however if you find effective movement to be annoying then cod won't do anything better for you.
    also found it interesting thst you didn't find anyone camping as the uniform complaint that I heard so far was that there is too much camping and presuming (maybe due to the lack of minimap).
  • The_BERG_366
    2335 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
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    Not difficult at all, but this topic is about the new CoD being a "threat" for BF V.

    For lots of players (like me and ackers), there is not a very big difference between CoD and BF (certainly not if you look at BF V) and all we want is a working game (with BF elements like 32 vs 32 and vehicles, which will be in the new CoD)

    Off course there will be players that dislike CoD and that is not a problem at all, but CoD will most certainly be a big threat for BF V and mostly because it works and the Alpha and Beta run as smooth as can be and the developer listens to the Beta testers and instantly makes changes/tweaks when lots of players ask for it/are mentioning something.

    Well it seems rather difficult in this comment. seems like you can't accept that others just don't like it. why do you try to argue against his disliking instead of just accepting it.
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
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    So you rahter have a frustrating crap game than a smooth working one?

    Or rather eat total burned and tasting like crap version of your favourite diner?

    Now I understand why they can make such a terrible game and just know they can get away with it ...

    rather seems like you just can accept that others don't just blindly hate bfv over evrything.
  • TFBisquit
    1637 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I never understood the hate from bf players against cod. They're more or less the same, one introduced perks and kilkstreaks, the other introduced specialisations and artillery/v1.
    Cod has some recoil and the likes on the weapons, bf takes that a step further. You fight alongside buildings and open terrain. Cod provides a space that's big enough to handle the amount of players, bf provides even bigger space for more players.
    The differences are really small, and that's also the reason Dice changed some things a little bit to attract more customers, while still being a little bit different.
    What remains is how the current edition plays.
    That will determine whether people buy it or not.
    1 hit kills are annoying, but if they're reasonable and understandable, it's just that.
    If you see you're enemy opening fire you can comprehend that, unless if you're emptying a full clip in him first and still die. Something bf games are famous for, but all other shooters suffer from also, occasionally.
    Players will go where the hype is, and if it comes true, they jump ship. Nothing complicated about that.
  • NLBartmaN
    3312 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member

    in what way is bf trying to be cod? People keep making that point yet never back it up with anything. imo it's because it's actually complete bs...
    the other guy is right though. if you dislike cod gameplay you will still dislike mw. nothing has changed in terms of the feeling. there is a different skin, larger modes (btw having seen no more than 10v10 im not yet just buying 50v50. like generally i don't think bigger is better anyways but still) but it's still cod at its core. cod is very movement based... Good players jump shot and slide around constantly. now this isn't necessarily a bad thing in my book however if you find effective movement to be annoying then cod won't do anything better for you.

     also found it interesting thst you didn't find anyone camping as the uniform complaint that I heard so far was that there is too much camping and presuming (maybe due to the lack of minimap).
    You talk about the movement of CoD being a CoD thing ... guess what they added in BF V (jumping, sliding, constant running like usain Bolt, etc ...)
    CoD beta movement is even slower than BF V movement ...

    The fast TTK, making weapons insane accurate, 3x scope crap without glint, such weak vehicles they can basically remove them and it won't make a differce, lots of small maps and infantry only modes, things like V1's and artillery strikes (you don't need to make a kill streaks to get it, just enough points), the game just feels like CoD ... only CoD does it better.

    To be honest, playing the CoD Beta does not feel very different from playing BF V ... but it just works ten times better ...

    So yes, I see the CoD Beta as a huge threat for BF V.

    And mostly because I read a lot of posts on social media from "BF only" players that gave the CoD Beta a try, because BF V is just to frustratingto play and they liked the Beta.
  • Trokey66
    8380 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    TFBisquit wrote: »
    I never understood the hate from bf players against cod. They're more or less the same, one introduced perks and kilkstreaks, the other introduced specialisations and artillery/v1.
    Cod has some recoil and the likes on the weapons, bf takes that a step further. You fight alongside buildings and open terrain. Cod provides a space that's big enough to handle the amount of players, bf provides even bigger space for more players.
    The differences are really small, and that's also the reason Dice changed some things a little bit to attract more customers, while still being a little bit different.
    What remains is how the current edition plays.
    That will determine whether people buy it or not.
    1 hit kills are annoying, but if they're reasonable and understandable, it's just that.
    If you see you're enemy opening fire you can comprehend that, unless if you're emptying a full clip in him first and still die. Something bf games are famous for, but all other shooters suffer from also, occasionally.
    Players will go where the hype is, and if it comes true, they jump ship. Nothing complicated about that.

    For me it is not 'blind hate'. I've dipped my toe in a few CoDs and it simply isn't for me as it is often too 'twitchy'. The player movement in BlOps 3 nearly made me vomit from motion sickness and I usually don't suffer from that!
  • GRAW2ROBZ
    1673 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
  • NLBartmaN
    3312 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Aah the biggest gamechanger chill in the BF scene that still thinks and says BF V is perfect. ..

    And yes cod is still cod, why would you change a winning concept at which you are the best?

    BF tries to copy it and fails big time

    Cod is smarter, they keep the game the same and adds some bf elements.
  • A_al_K_pacino_A
    586 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    It remains to be seen what BF elements they add because I'm not seeing any yet. We need to see the bigger modes for that.
  • ragnarok013
    3230 postsMember, Moderator, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Moderator
    Well I played it.

    It is just the same old COD. I literally had the exact same gameplay experience I had in 2007. I’m sure it will appeal to old school fans of the franchise. 

    It was like tasting a type of food you knew you didn’t like and going yup, still don’t like that.



    BURGERKRIEG that's my fear, I'm going to download the beta to see for myself but unless they've done something revolutionary it'll probably be the same ole stuff. I remember they touted COD WWII being revolutionary and a return to the old COD but it was the same old stuff too only with a WWII skin.
  • Trokey66
    8380 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited September 15
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    Aah the biggest gamechanger chill in the BF scene that still thinks and says BF V is perfect. ..

    And yes cod is still cod, why would you change a winning concept at which you are the best?

    BF tries to copy it and fails big time

    Cod is smarter, they keep the game the same and adds some bf elements.

    If CoD is still CoD, why would people who don't like CoD because, well it's CoD, play it just because it plays better?

    People like car analogies on here so try this one.....

    A bloke has a Mercedes (could be any make but work with me) and always has because on the whole, they are excellent cars and very reliable.

    His new one however, isn't. It is full of niggles and the engine management light keeps coming on for no apparant reason. Despite their best efforts, Mercedes can't fix it but promise they will...... soon.

    Meanwhile, Ford announce a new Mondeo, it is basically the same as the old one with a few new bells and whistles and new body style.

    The reviews are phenomenal!

    Now our bloke is getting right hacked off with his Merc so he decides to test drive the new Mondeo. Whilst it was OK and worked perfectly, it is just not his Merc so kisses it off.

    You see, he likes the (mostly) German quality, build and feel of their cars.

    He traded it in for a BMW yesterday.
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