Planes ruin the game

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kelly_kil
postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
edited September 2019
Nerfed AA, now a handful can sit high and pretty and not be bothered while they ruin the gaming experience of 30 some other people all because the flybois cried it was too hard to get a 30/0 KD, thanks for ruining the game DICE.
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  • Matty101yttam
    1339 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I don't think planes ruin the game, i think the game ruined planes.
    Planes i feel have become irrelevant because they have become more infantry focused. Planes are hit and run specialists in a game where everyone can revive, they are clocking up big scores but generally after every fly by i'd say 4/5 of those killed are picked right back up instantly.
    In the games before bf1 planes were vehicle focused, which means a successful strike meant those vehicles were removed from play, so the planes made a difference and were a part of the teams efforts. 
    Now they just feel like some random external force that takes you out of play for a few seconds before your up again.
  • X_Sunslayer_X
    1321 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    i think DICE ruined the game just after the ALPHA someone must have had a seizure and just turned something decent into an absolute joke
  • SirBobdk
    4764 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    What game mode are we talking about. I don't see the problem in CQ unless it's Fjeld.
    GO/BT is another problem and imo you cant balance this and not break CQ. You have to balance the game modes seperately.
  • F1sherOrigin
    38 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    What are you talking about? The planes in BFV is weaker than in any previous game. And this is good, because I hate them. But making them even weaker would be stupid.

    No one wanted to get in a aicraft to shoot this "pilot" down
    Well, this is your problem. If nobody wants to take down the plane, of course it will kill u again and again.
  • ProAssassin2003
    3791 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Why the Third person Aim Bot reticle for planes hasn't been removed already baffles me. It essentially turns every person that spawns into a plane a Pro Bomber.

    Yes Planes are the most annoying thing in the game. Sadly Mobile AA is completely useless.
  • Squad_Cohesion
    892 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I dont think the AA-faust (Fliegerfaust) will solve this problem, as most pilots take distance while pounding ground. Same reason why the MMG AA bullets just dont work (they even do too little damage when planes are closeby).
  • VincentNZ
    3885 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    The problem is threefold: Free choice of vehicle spawn, no counter on the ground, poor mechanics in the air.

  • ninjapenquinuk
    2126 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Bombers should just be removed from the game.  Carpet bombing flags/choke points just does not make good game play.  that would then leave the fighter bombers/ dive bombers to take out enemy vehicles and localised strong points and enemy groups with more precision strikes. However the visibility in BFV makes identifying, let alone hitting, an enemy vehicle very difficult on most maps.  
  • Matty101yttam
    1339 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Bombers should just be removed from the game.  Carpet bombing flags/choke points just does not make good game play.  that would then leave the fighter bombers/ dive bombers to take out enemy vehicles and localised strong points and enemy groups with more precision strikes. However the visibility in BFV makes identifying, let alone hitting, an enemy vehicle very difficult on most maps.  
    yeah, i would trade bombers for planes to have vehicle targets painted more visibly when spotted with spotting tool.
    Spots on vehicles should show like the medic revives, even if they aren't in front the icon stays locked on the edge of the screen until it comes into view.
  • olavafar
    2179 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    No, planes are fun to fly now and then to get some variation. Bombers are not so fun to fly but can erase even the most campiest of  tanks from the map which is sometimes necessary to be able to push with infantry. I agree on carpet bombing. To me planes should be balanced so that their primary target is tanks. AA tanks should do minimal damage to ground units but be powerful against planes (just to make the look at the sky and not farming infantry from far away). Fighters should have limited air to ground capabilities.
  • PackersDK
    821 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    SirBobdk said:
    What game mode are we talking about. I don't see the problem in CQ unless it's Fjeld.
    GO/BT is another problem and imo you cant balance this and not break CQ. You have to balance the game modes seperately.
    I agree 100%, and have said this repeatedly in AA/planes threads. 

    Clogged up single or double flag sectors in Breakthrough and 5-7 flag CQ is just not the same thing (obviously) and planes just have a different impact on the game. So does the viability of AA. 

    You have single flag sectors with mid-size capture zones, and planes that drops 4000 pd bombs. 

    I don’t don’t know if Dice even can balance this. I don’t think you should mess with different damage models etc depending on mode. But perhaps have type specific vehicle spawn would help. Only one bomber, one fighter etc etc. 
  • n1ghtskynet
    96 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Planes are fine the AA need to do more damage but if you get wrecked by another plane and the pilot has a high score that means he is a good pilot. If you play infantry only it's normal to get wrecked by good pilots try to counter them instead of crying
  • barnesalmighty2
    1609 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Can we trade carpet bombs for napalm please dice.
  • ragnarok013
    3666 postsMember, Moderator, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Moderator
    i think DICE ruined the game just after the ALPHA someone must have had a seizure and just turned something decent into an absolute joke
    X_Sunslayer_X in all seriousness I played the pre-alpha at EA Play as well as the alpha, beta, and release versions and the snow on Narvik at EA Play was horrible for visibility so in many areas there's been massive improvements.
  • olavafar
    2179 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    VincentNZ said:
    Planes are fine the AA need to do more damage but if you get wrecked by another plane and the pilot has a high score that means he is a good pilot. If you play infantry only it's normal to get wrecked by good pilots try to counter them instead of crying

    You can not counter a pilot of any kind as an infantry man. That is you can, if he uses a Stuka or Fighter, and you man a SAA, dedicate your whole life to destroy him once, if he is below average, otherwise he will be mildly inconvenienced by you locking down a small portion of the map. Tactically he is still the winner. Further SAA are often in poor places and destructible.
    If the pilot mans a bomber there is nothing you can do. He will just destroy you, together with the SAA, and only take minor damage.
    I think what was meant is that being a Battlefield player means also the ability to pick a plane. Just as you need to be able to use different weapons and gadgets as infantry. It is not a valid argument that if I can only kill with a shotgun, all other guns must be nerfed at ranges over 10 meters so I can play the game the only way I like or am able to. Sometimes one just have to be able to pick the rock to beat the scissors, even if one prefer the paper.
  • okiie_918
    159 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    kelly_kil wrote: »
    Nerfed AA, now a handful can sit high and pretty and not be bothered while they ruin the gaming experience of 30 some other people all because the flybois cried it was too hard to get a 30/0 KD, thanks for ruining the game DICE.
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    Nobody was crying the AA was over powered and where do you see they nerfed the AA? Sounds like you got touched by a flyboy and didn't like it. If you wanna kill a plane get in one! Only people I see crying is you!
  • Squad_Cohesion
    892 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    okiie_918 said:
    kelly_kil wrote: »
    Nerfed AA, now a handful can sit high and pretty and not be bothered while they ruin the gaming experience of 30 some other people all because the flybois cried it was too hard to get a 30/0 KD, thanks for ruining the game DICE.
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    If you wanna kill a plane get in one! Only people I see crying is you!
    That sounds like broken balance to me.

    DICE needs to fix Anti-aircraft ASAP.
  • Noodlesocks
    3452 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    okiie_918 said:
    kelly_kil wrote: »
    Nerfed AA, now a handful can sit high and pretty and not be bothered while they ruin the gaming experience of 30 some other people all because the flybois cried it was too hard to get a 30/0 KD, thanks for ruining the game DICE.
    (profanity and all caps removed by moderator)

    Nobody was crying the AA was over powered and where do you see they nerfed the AA? Sounds like you got touched by a flyboy and didn't like it. If you wanna kill a plane get in one! Only people I see crying is you!
    One of the patches buffed the AA to an overpowered state so Dice over-reacted and made AA useless instead of properly balancing it.
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