Allow MMG + AT rifle to ADS when crouched + stationary

WunderKatze · November 9, 2019 9:47PM

Hello,

I think allowing the MMG + AT rifles to ADS when crouched and stationary would really help improve their usability without violating the intended playstyle.

Particularly this would help when in grassy fields where you can't see if you prone and their is no cover to place the weapon on.

Thanks!
WunderKatze

Asimov-T · November 9, 2019 10:13PM

Dice is actually doing the opposite which is nerfing the prone mmg rat style.

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mf_shro0m · November 9, 2019 10:25PM

They should make MMGs usable on the go tho but rn it forces people to camp. It’d be better if they modelled BFV’s MMGs on the BFI parabellum

CSO7777 · November 9, 2019 11:51PM

mf_shro0m said:

They should make MMGs usable on the go tho but rn it forces people to camp. It’d be better if they modelled BFV’s MMGs on the BFI parabellum

It would be fun this way (I really loved the Parabellum in BF1), the Parabellum was a beast in CQC (hipfired) and was also very effective at mid-range when bipodded. It was a multi-kill-machine.

I think they would perhaps be too powerful this way. The MG42 would become the best CQC-weapon (only shotguns would be better) and the game balance would probably not be very good, mostly because the SMGs are way too weak in BFV, compared to BF1s SMGs.

But it could be a fun experiment...

talhaONE · November 10, 2019 12:49AM

Asimov-T wrote: »

Dice is actually doing the opposite which is nerfing the prone mmg rat style, rightly so, as you guys are a disease in this game.

Just because someone uses mmg that isnt instantly means the guy is camper. And no mmg nerf wasnt any good. Their accuracy isnt worth for the mobility penalty now so campers tends to camp with lmgs or snipers.

If you rush in to somewhere without checking it carefully you deserve to die. Not all enemies will going to come at you to shoot.

WunderKatze · November 10, 2019 1:23AM

Asimov-T said:

Dice is actually doing the opposite which is nerfing the prone mmg rat style, rightly so, as you guys are a disease in this game.

Ahh. Yes. I forgot about the assualt rifle zoomer master race.

It would be nice to have a single battlefield game that isn't completely dominated by assualt rifles.

Noodlesocks · November 10, 2019 3:41AM

I would be happy with them simply removing the random cone of fire, letting the rounds hit roughly where it is being aimed but give them massive, difficult to control recoil.

As for AT rifle I wouldn't mind their cone of fire being reduced a little. Not so they can hit infantry reliably while on the move or even when stationary but just tight enough to reliably hit a tank when aiming center mass without having to set up the bipod. (That being said, crouching with AT rifle is already pretty decent accuracy to hit tanks)

ChickenTheTank · November 10, 2019 4:07AM

I think this would be fine if it had at least double thre delay to deploy compared to deploying on mounted cover.

TEKNOCODE · November 10, 2019 4:13AM

Asimov-T wrote: »

Dice is actually doing the opposite which is nerfing the prone mmg rat style, rightly so, as you guys are a disease in this game.

talhaONE · November 10, 2019 7:22AM

Also one thing is mmgs are free kills for the Bolt action rifles, Slr and semi autos. Problem is Any mmg different from mg34 and M1919a6 cant hit anything beyond 50 meters. You are using a bipod but you are still inaccurate as hell. Thanks dice nerfing mmgs but still letting semi autos use 3x scope.

WunderKatze · November 10, 2019 7:57AM

talhaONE said:

Also one thing is mmgs are free kills for the Bolt action rifles, Slr and semi autos. Problem is Any mmg different from mg34 and M1919a6 cant hit anything beyond 50 meters. You are using a bipod but you are still inaccurate as hell. Thanks dice nerfing mmgs but still letting semi autos use 3x scope.

Semi autos I can deal with, it's a counter but I can get away usually if I choose a good position. The bolt action oneshots hard counter the bipod playstyle.

I think that would be fine if mmgs where buffed to have a faster kill time.

Art3misJinx · November 10, 2019 11:38AM

I agree, being able to use the weapons in some other way apart from prone would be nice. Forcing people to go prone creates a very passive and campy playstyle, which isn't fun for anyone except people who want to pad their kd stat.

talhaONE said:

Also one thing is mmgs are free kills for the Bolt action rifles, Slr and semi autos. Problem is Any mmg different from mg34 and M1919a6 cant hit anything beyond 50 meters. You are using a bipod but you are still inaccurate as hell. Thanks dice nerfing mmgs but still letting semi autos use 3x scope.

mmgs can absolutely kill above 50 meters. You have a large mag and high rof, sure you might not hit every shot, but being able to spray makes up for that. Expecting mmgs to be lazerbeams is crazy.

WunderKatze said:

talhaONE said:

Also one thing is mmgs are free kills for the Bolt action rifles, Slr and semi autos. Problem is Any mmg different from mg34 and M1919a6 cant hit anything beyond 50 meters. You are using a bipod but you are still inaccurate as hell. Thanks dice nerfing mmgs but still letting semi autos use 3x scope.

Semi autos I can deal with, it's a counter but I can get away usually if I choose a good position. The bolt action oneshots hard counter the bipod playstyle. I think that would be fine if mmgs where buffed to have a faster kill time.

mmgs already shred, but you want them to have an even faster fire rate? Why? And if you're getting killed by semi autos and bolt actions consistently it's either because they were better than you, or you didn't pick your battles right.

MrCamp121 · November 10, 2019 2:48PM

talhaONE wrote: »

Also one thing is mmgs are free kills for the Bolt action rifles, Slr and semi autos. Problem is Any mmg different from mg34 and M1919a6 cant hit anything beyond 50 meters. You are using a bipod but you are still inaccurate as hell. Thanks dice nerfing mmgs but still letting semi autos use 3x scope.

In your own words..if youre not careful youll die.

Rogue-Mike · November 10, 2019 4:56PM

Would be nice. Allow mmgs to ads but kick like a mule.

Though my biggest gripe is DICE combining Assault and Engineer. People complain about Tanks not pushing objectives but ignore the fact that as soon as a tank peaks, there's a minimum of at least 3 to 4 panzerfaust/PIAT rockets that disable on the 1st hit flying at you. There's also that one campy Assault player or squad rushing the tank with reckless abandon playing peek a boo spawning on each other in mere second intervals.

talhaONE · November 10, 2019 4:59PM

Art3misJinx wrote: »

I agree, being able to use the weapons in some other way apart from prone would be nice. Forcing people to go prone creates a very passive and campy playstyle, which isn't fun for anyone except people who want to pad their kd stat.(Quote)
mmgs can absolutely kill above 50 meters. You have a large mag and high rof, sure you might not hit every shot, but being able to spray makes up for that. Expecting mmgs to be lazerbeams is crazy.(Quote)

mmgs already shred, but you want them to have an even faster fire rate? Why?
And if you're getting killed by semi autos and bolt actions consistently it's either because they were better than you, or you didn't pick your battles right.

Spray isnt make any sense if you cant hit them. Currently the first 5 shot penalty punishes burst firing so you have to kill them while keep shooting. Also you have to be staniory while they can do ADAD spam like crazy to dodge your bullets.

gailjon · November 10, 2019 5:09PM

No.
No.
No.
No.
And, one last time, no.

talhaONE · November 10, 2019 5:17PM

gailjon wrote: »

No.
No.
No.
No.
And, one last time, no.

Why?
Why?
Why?
And, one last time, why?

Art3misJinx · November 10, 2019 6:17PM

gailjon said:

No.
No.
No.
No.
And, one last time, no.

So you'd prefer people playing camping and/or extremely defensive instead of actually being able to use them aggressively?

MrCamp121 · November 10, 2019 6:21PM

Art3misJinx wrote: »

(Quote)
So you'd prefer people playing camping and/or extremely defensive instead of actually being able to use them aggressively?

Nerf the ROF into the ground and then itd be acceptable

WunderKatze · November 11, 2019 4:41AM

Art3misJinx said:

gailjon said:

No.
No.
No.
No.
And, one last time, no.

So you'd prefer people playing camping and/or extremely defensive instead of actually being able to use them aggressively?

Yeah. Basically. It's a huge **** mg. I mean. I would like to play aggressively but its nice to break from the a-d-a-d-a-d sidestep formula and instead move from cover to cover and bipod. Or in the case of this thread I would like to be able to shoot from stationary crouch.

FlaminPorcupine · November 11, 2019 4:57AM

Rogue-Mike said:

Would be nice. Allow mmgs to ads but kick like a mule.

THIS. Right now you're basically a free headshot for the first guy to see you with a 3x scoped assault rifle or a sniper, and they also have the advantage of being able to move and shoot, while you're stuck in place trying to track them. With so many marksman rifles in this game it becomes really difficult to do anything but hide in a corner or corridor praying some hapless soul wanders across your sights. Not to mention as soon as you start spraying bullets you get the attention of every single assault/sniper camper in the area who see your tracers/muzzle flash. My experience is that the support class in general is without a good primary weapon, given equal skill all their close range options lose to assault and all their ranged options lose to snipers and now medics. Really a shame since I love the gadget setup for support.

Allow MMG + AT rifle to ADS when crouched + stationary

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