Please DICE nerf all spotting gadget

wasp9166 · November 14, 2019 12:22PM

there are always gonna be those mfers that exploit cheap ways to play , spamming flares lol

just you you can doesn't mean you should , but that's me

Hawxxeye · November 14, 2019 12:26PM

wasp9166 said:

there are always gonna be those mfers that exploit cheap ways to play , spamming flares lol

just you you can doesn't mean you should , but that's me

A recon spotting for his team is a recon who is living up to his class name.
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It is the choice of being a force multiplier instead of just (potentially) one more player who would had done better as assault or medic.
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Intelligence and counter intelligence are a big part of warfare

Kattegat_Twin · November 14, 2019 12:29PM

Hawxxeye said:

TheyHaveScissors said:

The range is just far too large.

Bah, I hate DICE. They dont understand flanking or stealthy gameplay.

The ability to discern enemies over the terrain can be so bad (without spotting) that one almost does not need to be stealthy.
The other day my team was defending an objective in pacific and there were enemies all over the outer parts of the objective area with our guys surrounded because nobody had flared.

I don't understand the visibility issues that people keep going on about. I see things just fine. Are you playing on a TV several feet away, or what?

DingoKillr · November 14, 2019 12:33PM

VOLBANKER said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER wrote: »

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I fired 86 flares in a round last night, so good luck shooting them down

Well done you stood at station the whole round firing flare after flare while doing nothing else. What does putting 86 flares into air prove?

Try ask my team if they weren’t happy to see enemies light up on the minimap pretty much permanently because of those flares.

That does not prove flares can be spammed all it proved is you camped a station which on most maps and modes doing that would be useless. Piat and Panzefaust can be used at the same rate do you call them spamable?

Hawxxeye · November 14, 2019 12:37PM

Kattegat_Twin said:

Hawxxeye said:

TheyHaveScissors said:

The range is just far too large.

Bah, I hate DICE. They dont understand flanking or stealthy gameplay.

The ability to discern enemies over the terrain can be so bad (without spotting) that one almost does not need to be stealthy.
The other day my team was defending an objective in pacific and there were enemies all over the outer parts of the objective area with our guys surrounded because nobody had flared.

I don't understand the visibility issues that people keep going on about. I see things just fine. Are you playing on a TV several feet away, or what?

1080p PC screen at up to 60 fps regular PC distance. It got better when I got the newer screen with the "gaming mode" that brightens everything and makes it sharper but one should not have to depend on special hardware functions to reduce the time required to decide if that bunch of pixels is something that they should start shooting at before it is too late.
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Kattegat_Twin · November 14, 2019 12:38PM

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER wrote: »

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I fired 86 flares in a round last night, so good luck shooting them down

Well done you stood at station the whole round firing flare after flare while doing nothing else. What does putting 86 flares into air prove?

Try ask my team if they weren’t happy to see enemies light up on the minimap pretty much permanently because of those flares.

That does not prove flares can be spammed all it proved is you camped a station which on most maps and modes doing that would be useless. Piat and Panzefaust can be used at the same rate do you call them spamable?

On Breakthrough, if you stay in a point you're defending, beside a crate, you can absolutely spam flares and light up every single attacker. 2 or 3 recons doing that, and the entire enemy team is on the map constantly. It's too much.

Hawxxeye said:

1080p PC screen at up to 60 fps regular PC distance. It got better when I got the newer screen with the "gaming mode" that brightens everything and makes it sharper but one should not have to depend on special hardware functions to reduce the time required to decide if that bunch of pixels is something that they should start shooting at before it is too late.

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I'm PC 1080p as well. Never had visibility issues... But I'm used to playing RS2: Vietnam a lot, and you really have to peel your eyes for enemies in the bushes in that game.

Hawxxeye · November 14, 2019 12:43PM

Kattegat_Twin said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER wrote: »

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I fired 86 flares in a round last night, so good luck shooting them down

Well done you stood at station the whole round firing flare after flare while doing nothing else. What does putting 86 flares into air prove?

Try ask my team if they weren’t happy to see enemies light up on the minimap pretty much permanently because of those flares.

That does not prove flares can be spammed all it proved is you camped a station which on most maps and modes doing that would be useless. Piat and Panzefaust can be used at the same rate do you call them spamable?

On Breakthrough, if you stay in a point you're defending, beside a crate, you can absolutely spam flares and light up every single attacker. 2 or 3 recons doing that, and the entire enemy team is on the map constantly. It's too much.

Once again:
What is stopping the other team from shooting down the flares as soon as they see them and thus downgrading that spotting to something very short-lived?
The C.B.A. factor?

M_Rat13 · November 14, 2019 1:03PM

Hawxxeye said:

wasp9166 said:

there are always gonna be those mfers that exploit cheap ways to play , spamming flares lol

just you you can doesn't mean you should , but that's me

A recon spotting for his team is a recon who is living up to his class name.
.
It is the choice of being a force multiplier instead of just (potentially) one more player who would had done better as assault or medic.
.
Intelligence and counter intelligence are a big part of warfare

Actually had a game like that last night. Not only did I help my team, I helped myself get a decent amount of kills. Got near the top of the scoreboard, and didn't even spam the flares. Trench carbine helped of course when fighting on flags.

talhaONE · November 14, 2019 2:30PM

VOLBANKER wrote: »

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Recon can carry 2 flares.
Resupplying them is easy, just stay around a supply station and run back and forth as necessary.
I can tell you haven’t played Recon yourself or you’d know this.

You can check my stats i played recon and in my experience you cant spam flares because you dont have access to a support player or supply station all the time. Also not to mention people can easily shot down those flares.

Kattegat_Twin · November 14, 2019 3:20PM

Hawxxeye said:

Kattegat_Twin said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER wrote: »

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I fired 86 flares in a round last night, so good luck shooting them down

Well done you stood at station the whole round firing flare after flare while doing nothing else. What does putting 86 flares into air prove?

Try ask my team if they weren’t happy to see enemies light up on the minimap pretty much permanently because of those flares.

That does not prove flares can be spammed all it proved is you camped a station which on most maps and modes doing that would be useless. Piat and Panzefaust can be used at the same rate do you call them spamable?

On Breakthrough, if you stay in a point you're defending, beside a crate, you can absolutely spam flares and light up every single attacker. 2 or 3 recons doing that, and the entire enemy team is on the map constantly. It's too much.

Once again:
What is stopping the other team from shooting down the flares as soon as they see them and thus downgrading that spotting to something very short-lived?
The C.B.A. factor?

Nothing. I shoot them down all the time. But as soon as you shoot one down, another goes up. Since the update, the sky is littered with flares non-stop. I know it's cheap. I do it myself sometimes because why not? The other side are. I'll sit on a crate, lighting up every threat, getting assist after assist. It's brainless. Give me HC mode please, so I don't have to use cheese to help the team.

THERAMPAGE_ci0h · November 14, 2019 4:41PM

3D spot is good for the core mode players but it isn't for the extreme mode community ...
Untill there is an extreme mode, a lot of players can not be happy ... and the core mode can not be balanced the way it should be because of this angry part of the community ...

This game has a visibility problem since launch ( distant haze, soldier texture blending into background, headglitch ... ) and a camping meta problem because of guys exploiting the bad visibility and because some player prefers to camp for doing kill easily without dying of the insanely fast TTK ( some of them are forced to camp because of the bipod mechanic too ).
Unspotted campers are advantaged in gunfights ( they see you first, aim at you first and shoot first )
TTK is also too fast for 30hz console's servers ( servers send you 2 hit received in one refresh ) so you can't react to almost anything.

3D spot help a lot with the camping meta ( 3D spotted prone enemy become easy targets ).
Game is more readable, minimap is now useful, plane and recons can PTFO and are become gamechangers.

For the angry players out there, there is a counter to the spot in BFV ( unlike previous BF ) , you can shoot the flare ( super easy with pellet shotgun ! )
I agree there is a balance problem if one team do spot the others don't because of the poor visibility , and i think it should back to the old system with manual ping but not to easy like in BF1

Hawxxeye · November 14, 2019 6:00PM

Kattegat_Twin said:

Hawxxeye said:

Kattegat_Twin said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER said:

DingoKillr said:

VOLBANKER wrote: »

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I fired 86 flares in a round last night, so good luck shooting them down

Well done you stood at station the whole round firing flare after flare while doing nothing else. What does putting 86 flares into air prove?

Try ask my team if they weren’t happy to see enemies light up on the minimap pretty much permanently because of those flares.

That does not prove flares can be spammed all it proved is you camped a station which on most maps and modes doing that would be useless. Piat and Panzefaust can be used at the same rate do you call them spamable?

On Breakthrough, if you stay in a point you're defending, beside a crate, you can absolutely spam flares and light up every single attacker. 2 or 3 recons doing that, and the entire enemy team is on the map constantly. It's too much.

Once again:
What is stopping the other team from shooting down the flares as soon as they see them and thus downgrading that spotting to something very short-lived?
The C.B.A. factor?

Nothing. I shoot them down all the time. But as soon as you shoot one down, another goes up. Since the update, the sky is littered with flares non-stop. I know it's cheap. I do it myself sometimes because why not? The other side are. I'll sit on a crate, lighting up every threat, getting assist after assist. It's brainless. Give me HC mode please, so I don't have to use cheese to help the team.

I use them when I can and I shoot them down as well as often as possible, they eventually get tired or die

M1ck3y-XIX- · November 14, 2019 6:22PM

Lol DICE love snipers is why the classe is the most OP, CHEAT spotting system for big low, x2 with radius of a cornfield !!, HS, with the hitbox of head who had the size of car, non moove in the scope JUSTE EASY , all weapons, carabine trench for COD players !!! beacon spawn etc .... DICE bring HC mode please im tired of these casual kikoo, cod players ... sniper win vs against a MG 42 full spray because there is no suppression, no really juste ugly,

Hawxxeye · November 14, 2019 7:58PM

M1ck3y-XIX- said:

Lol DICE love snipers

That was the funniest thing I have read in this forum for a long time

TEKNOCODE · November 14, 2019 8:54PM

M1ck3y-XIX- wrote: »

Lol DICE love snipers is why the classe is the most OP, CHEAT spotting system for big low, x2 with radius of a cornfield !!, HS, with the hitbox of head who had the size of car, non moove in the scope JUSTE EASY , all weapons, carabine trench for COD players !!! beacon spawn etc .... DICE bring HC mode please im tired of these casual kikoo, cod players ... sniper win vs against a MG 42 full spray because there is no suppression, no really juste ugly,

“Hardcore” mode is actually the most casual. Point, spray, profit. Rinse, repeat.

“Recon” is far from OP.

llPhantom_Limbll · November 14, 2019 10:42PM

Hawxxeye said:

M1ck3y-XIX- said:

Lol DICE love snipers

That was the funniest thing I have read in this forum for a long time

Why are you keep replying to the guy who's bating for replies? It can't be more obvious at this point. The whole thread is one gigantic bait material.

Kattegat_Twin · November 14, 2019 11:05PM

TEKNOCODE said:

“Hardcore” mode is actually the most casual. Point, spray, profit. Rinse, repeat.

No. Core is actually the most casual. Have enemies spotted for you, point, spray, profit, rinse repeat.

TEKNOCODE · November 14, 2019 11:30PM

Kattegat_Twin wrote: »

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No. Core is actually the most casual. Have enemies spotted for you, point, spray, profit, rinse repeat.

I’m going to definitely disagree. Anytime you can one shot someone with almost any weapon = casual.

Kattegat_Twin · November 15, 2019 12:22AM

TEKNOCODE said:

Kattegat_Twin wrote: »

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No. Core is actually the most casual. Have enemies spotted for you, point, spray, profit, rinse repeat.

I’m going to definitely disagree. Anytime you can one shot someone with almost any weapon = casual.

I disagree with that. If I can be killed with 1 bullet, that's not casual. I also don't have the location of every enemy lit up for me.

TEKNOCODE · November 15, 2019 12:38AM

Kattegat_Twin wrote: »

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I disagree with that. If I can be killed with 1 bullet, that's not casual. I also don't have the location of every enemy lit up for me.

You just proved my point. You can cower without being seen. With a minimap, you have to constantly be on your toes because the enemy always knows where you are at. Coupled with the fact that you can’t kill the enemy by breathing on her/him, non “hardcore” is definitely more hardcore.

Please DICE nerf all spotting gadget

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