New CPU choice help

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Olexizz
17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
Hi guys, 
I'm thinking over buying new CPU, because my actual i5 7400 is bottlenecking my GTX 1060 3GB, what causes FPS drops to 40. I wonder if AMD Ryzen 5 2600 will be ideal for BF5, cuz this game loves cores and threads, so should run it smoothly without any problems, including annoying FPS drops. What do you think? 
Cheers;)

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  • CSO7777
    1543 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Ryzen 2600 is an "old" CPU, I would buy one from the newest generation.

    The Ryzen 3600 is a good CPU that should be enough for playing BFV. Its much faster than your old CPU and faster than the 2600.

    Perhaps you could get a very cheap second-hand I7-7700(K) which should be able to run BFV, it fits your motherboard and could be the cheapest option. But it has to be cheap, because it's probably not very future-proof, it's still only 4c/8t and almost everything seems to be at least 6c/12t from now on, even Intels next I5 will be 6c/12t (according to leaked roadmaps).

    With the 3600 (or even 2600) you will should be able to upgrade to the next generation of Ryzens as well (coming late 2020), so it will be a little more future-proof than going the Intel-route. But it means a new motherboard and Ryzen benefits from fast RAM, preferable 3200MhzCL14 or better (you can buy this later on).
  • Olexizz
    17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019
    CSO7777 said:
    Ryzen 2600 is an "old" CPU, I would buy one from the newest generation.

    The Ryzen 3600 is a good CPU that should be enough for playing BFV. Its much faster than your old CPU and faster than the 2600.

    Perhaps you could get a very cheap second-hand I7-7700(K) which should be able to run BFV, it fits your motherboard and could be the cheapest option. But it has to be cheap, because it's probably not very future-proof, it's still only 4c/8t and almost everything seems to be at least 6c/12t from now on, even Intels next I5 will be 6c/12t (according to leaked roadmaps).

    With the 3600 (or even 2600) you will should be able to upgrade to the next generation of Ryzens as well (coming late 2020), so it will be a little more future-proof than going the Intel-route. But it means a new motherboard and Ryzen benefits from fast RAM, preferable 3200MhzCL14 or better (you can buy this later on).
    Thanks for your repply. No way with buying used i7 7700, costs ~800 polish zloty, which is 200 dollars. I just run low with money, and I'm not really a huge gamer, back to Battlefield series after long break, and just want to play at low sets, 1080p with 75+ frames (75Hz monitor refresh rate) without any bottleneck garbage. At the moment, I've got Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB DDR4 2400MHz, do you think it will be compatible with Ryzen 3600/2600 and Gigabyte GA-A320M-H motherboard?
  • CSO7777
    1543 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019
    Olexizz said:
    CSO7777 said:
    Ryzen 2600 is an "old" CPU, I would buy one from the newest generation.

    The Ryzen 3600 is a good CPU that should be enough for playing BFV. Its much faster than your old CPU and faster than the 2600.

    Perhaps you could get a very cheap second-hand I7-7700(K) which should be able to run BFV, it fits your motherboard and could be the cheapest option. But it has to be cheap, because it's probably not very future-proof, it's still only 4c/8t and almost everything seems to be at least 6c/12t from now on, even Intels next I5 will be 6c/12t (according to leaked roadmaps).

    With the 3600 (or even 2600) you will should be able to upgrade to the next generation of Ryzens as well (coming late 2020), so it will be a little more future-proof than going the Intel-route. But it means a new motherboard and Ryzen benefits from fast RAM, preferable 3200MhzCL14 or better (you can buy this later on).
    Thanks for your repply. No way with buying used i7 7700, costs ~800 polish zloty, which is 200 dollars. I just run low with money, and I'm not really a huge gamer, back to Battlefield series after long break, and just want to play at low sets, 1080p with 75+ frames (75Hz monitor refresh rate) without any bottleneck garbage. At the moment, I've got Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB DDR4 2400MHz, do you think it will be compatible with Ryzen 3600/2600 and Gigabyte GA-A320M-H motherboard?
    Your memory should fit the motherboard fine.
  • Nudle90
    4 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019
    I just got Ryzen 3700x and a Nvidia 2070S, runs very smooth now compared to  my setup old 6600k 4.3ghz+1060 6gb. got no more then 60fps in 1440p.

    Now I`m between 140-165fps and high settings.
  • VonReisler
    571 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    have a look at this budget build.
    I'd ditch that gpu for BFv too.
     

  • xKusagamix
    1071 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    If you're on a low budget, the Ryzen 5 2600 is a perfect choice. Get a decent B450/B450M so you can squeeze some more power of your RAMs, mostly it'll be fine at 2666c16 or 2933c16 with 1.35v. 
  • NadBag_WangTag
    146 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Man, Even I'm on something lower tier. A ryzen 1500x and 1070 ftw2 and I'm pulling 80+ maxed on 1080p no drops. It's pretty much just your 1060 3gb man.
  • xKusagamix
    1071 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Man, Even I'm on something lower tier. A ryzen 1500x and 1070 ftw2 and I'm pulling 80+ maxed on 1080p no drops. It's pretty much just your 1060 3gb man.
    The Ryzen 5 1500X is a 4 core 8 thread CPU while the i5 7400 is a 4 core 4 thread CPU, it is the one that caused the problem playing BFV. My RX 470 4GB which is weaker than the GTX 1060 3GB has no trouble playing this game at High Setting. BFV does eat a lot of CPU usage.

  • Olexizz
    17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Thanks for your help guys :) now I know what to do.
  • NadBag_WangTag
    146 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Man, Even I'm on something lower tier. A ryzen 1500x and 1070 ftw2 and I'm pulling 80+ maxed on 1080p no drops. It's pretty much just your 1060 3gb man.
    The Ryzen 5 1500X is a 4 core 8 thread CPU while the i5 7400 is a 4 core 4 thread CPU, it is the one that caused the problem playing BFV. My RX 470 4GB which is weaker than the GTX 1060 3GB has no trouble playing this game at High Setting. BFV does eat a lot of CPU usage.
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    Those extra threads really don't matter in terms of 1500x vs 7400. There's basically a small 7-8% difference.
  • TNA_SneakyMonkey
    608 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019

    Those extra threads really don't matter in terms of 1500x vs 7400. There's basically a small 7-8% difference.
    They really do matter.


  • NadBag_WangTag
    146 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Considering the 7400 and 1500x being basically on par. NO, It DOES NOT MATTER. Sheesh man. Realize that. If these were more of a generation gap yeah, It would matter. Say that 1500x vs the 2500k. Okay, It matters there. But, Being its a 7400, No, It's about the same and basically equal performance of a chip.

    With that being said, That 1060 is the issue here. Why? Wife has a 6gb model and it does the SAME thing with the drops and stutters, I HAD ONE before the 1070 ftw2, And bam, SAME thing.

    The 1060 is not a good card for this game unless you're running medium really. So, A 3gb model which is also cut down as well, will do the issues he mentioned.


  • NadBag_WangTag
    146 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    As for the bottleneck, No. If it were a 6gb model, The 7400 would but only by a good 5% if that in some games, 1080p 60hz. Other wise, No. Right now the game has issues, So wait out another patch. Might fix it.
  • Olexizz
    17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    As for the bottleneck, No. If it were a 6gb model, The 7400 would but only by a good 5% if that in some games, 1080p 60hz. Other wise, No. Right now the game has issues, So wait out another patch. Might fix it.
    So bottleneck problem is by game poor optimalization? I don't know... my i5 7400 usage is almost everytime on 100%, what causes not only frame drops to 40, but problems from mouse too - it feels like the sensitivity changing by itself to lower and back to normal, no need to explain how aiming with crap like this looks. For me, the CPU is so much utilized, that don't even handle the signal from mouse correctly. And my GTX 1060 3GB is only around 40-60% usage, so...
    I think it is just processor problem, not from the game. Apparently, 4 cores and 4 threads is not enough for today gaming, or BFV atleast.
  • xKusagamix
    1071 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019
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    Those extra threads really don't matter in terms of 1500x vs 7400. There's basically a small 7-8% difference.
    Those extra thread really do matter, just disable your 1500X SMT and play BFV with only 4 core/4 thread then you'll see why. You're just talking about how the i5 7400 and the R5 1500X are on par based on single core performance, but not how much those extra 4 threads of the 1500X help.

    The GTX 1060 3GB is not the cause to blame, it'll have no trouble playing BFV at 1080p high preset as you can clearly see my RX 470 which is weaker can play the game flawlessly at that setting. Even that 3GB VRAM does not matter because the R9 280X 3GB could play BF1 at Ultra 1080p without any stutter.


    This is how crazy that BFV could eat CPU thread


    And the reason why i recommended the OP that the R5 2600 is a perfect choice on low budget.
  • TNA_SneakyMonkey
    608 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019
    The 1060 is not a good card for this game unless you're running medium really. So, A 3gb model which is also cut down as well, will do the issues he mentioned.
    I used to play the game on a 1060 6gb with an R5 2600 at 1080p/60/ultra with no drops.

    The 3GB version might get drops at ultra if the memory budget exceeds the vRAM on the card, but you're otherwise materially wrong.

  • Olexizz
    17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019
    The 1060 is not a good card for this game unless you're running medium really. So, A 3gb model which is also cut down as well, will do the issues he mentioned.
    I used to play the game on a 1060 6gb with an R5 2600 at 1080p/60/ultra with no drops.

    The 3GB version might get drops at ultra if the memory budget exceeds the vRAM on the card, but you're otherwise materially wrong.

    As I said - I don't want to play on ultra. It's just useless to play on highest preset while playing multiplayer. I expect only 75+ frames with R5 2600 + GTX 1060 3GB on 1080p low preset, and I don't want anything more from it.
  • TNA_SneakyMonkey
    608 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited December 2019
    Olexizz said:
    The 1060 is not a good card for this game unless you're running medium really. So, A 3gb model which is also cut down as well, will do the issues he mentioned.
    I used to play the game on a 1060 6gb with an R5 2600 at 1080p/60/ultra with no drops.

    The 3GB version might get drops at ultra if the memory budget exceeds the vRAM on the card, but you're otherwise materially wrong.

    As I said - I don't want to play on ultra. It's just useless to play on highest preset while playing multiplayer. I expect only 75+ frames with R5 2600 + GTX 1060 3GB on 1080p low preset, and I don't want anything more from it.

    Sure - I understand.

    I was primarily disagreeing with NadBag's assertion that the 1060 isn't a strong enough card for the game. It is.

    If it helps, I was just playing with Afterburner running - at "lowest latency" settings (the lowest in-game settings available). At 1080p, the game uses about 2.4GB of vRAM, so your 1060 3GB should run the game just fine. I was getting ~85-90fps on my 1060 6GB at lowest settings.

    Just out of curiosity, how much RAM do you have and is it running in dual-channel?
  • Olexizz
    17 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Yes, I think too that this GPU is sure good. Of course - it isn't best card for this game, but I can confirm that I don't get any problems from card, when playing 1080p on low sets, yeah FPS actually suck but it's only by CPU.
    Recently I've playing on 8GB, so I had massive stutters, now I'm playing on 16GB, the stutters disappeared. And yes, it's dual channel
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