Is Four Cores Four Threads really not enough to run Battlefield V?

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  • SystemicProgress
    106 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I have an i5 4440 @3.1ghz paired with an RX 570 4GB Gigabyte Edition, as well as with 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM.

    But the game often stutters, and cannot maintain a constant framrate. I've tried limiting the framrate to either 30 or 40 FPS, but to no avail. I've tried all settings (Low-Ultra), and High-Ultra settings seem my best bet as it put's more pressure on my GPU rather than my CPU, but same maps like Rotterdam or Aerodome are pretty much unplayable.

    As somebody who was a major fan on Xbox One and just recently got into PC, it is disappointing that I cannot play BF5 with my setup. Is there nothing I can do to reduce the CPU bottleneck or at least stop the stuttering?
    Unfortunately, I don't think you can do much about stutter with that hardware. To have a reasonably smooth experience I would suggest to get a 8700k, ddr4 3600 and a 1070gtx.   
  • Odds1979
    67 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Why DDR4 3600?, as far as I know the Intel 8700k only supports up to DDR4-2666.
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i7/i7-8700k
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/126684/intel-core-i7-8700k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html
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    Is there really a benefit using faster memory than actually supported by the CPU, if yes do you have results proving this?


  • SystemicProgress
    106 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Odds1979 said:
    Why DDR4 3600?, as far as I know the Intel 8700k only supports up to DDR4-2666.
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i7/i7-8700k
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/126684/intel-core-i7-8700k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html
    -
    Is there really a benefit using faster memory than actually supported by the CPU, if yes do you have results proving this?


    I have performed extensive testing of higher frequency RAM on BF5. The outcome is that the game runs smoother with higher RAM speed.

  • LeMaestro99
    27 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I have an i5 4440 @3.1ghz paired with an RX 570 4GB Gigabyte Edition, as well as with 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM.

    But the game often stutters, and cannot maintain a constant framrate. I've tried limiting the framrate to either 30 or 40 FPS, but to no avail. I've tried all settings (Low-Ultra), and High-Ultra settings seem my best bet as it put's more pressure on my GPU rather than my CPU, but same maps like Rotterdam or Aerodome are pretty much unplayable.

    You have a pretty old CPU and using DDR3 is not very helpfull.
    BFV minimun requirements:

      OS: 64-bit Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10
      Processor (AMD): AMD FX-8350
      Processor (Intel): Core i5 6600K
      Memory: 8GB RAM
      Graphics card (NVIDIA): NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1050 / NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 660 2GB
      Graphics card (AMD): AMD Radeon™ RX 560 / HD 7850 2GB
      DirectX: 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent
      Online Connection Requirements: 512 KBPS or faster Internet connection
      Available Disk Space: 50GB

    A I5 6600K is 2 generation younger that your CPU and is the minimum Intel CPU  required to run the game.
    You are probably lucky to even be able to run the game.

    Well, I had an i7 4790k and was told upgrading my PC would definitely fix the stuttering bc BF5 needs more than 8 Threads but NOPE, upgraded to Ryzen 3700x and literally nothing changed ( also having a rx 5700xt and 32gb ram) . Stuttering and frame drop issues are as bad as ever..
    So my advice to you is to consider every other option before you decide to upgrade your PC just for BF5, you might be disappointed afterwards.
    Frostbite has always been a very demanding game engine, but on BF5 Dice just goofed up to the point that no matter which pc you own, you can still have terrible performance. DICE hasn't even mentioned this ongoing issue in any of their last patch notes, so it seems to me they just don't care at all.


    You should not have any problem running the game has I was running it with a Ryzen5 1600X, paired with a GTX1080, that is way slower then yours and I never had any stuttering in any games. A little tweaking of your machine and game might fix that.
    I also would recommend turning off DX12 in the game settings has it is know to cause issues on many computers.

  • Pyrobyte_122
    8 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    I have an i5 4440 @3.1ghz paired with an RX 570 4GB Gigabyte Edition, as well as with 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM.

    But the game often stutters, and cannot maintain a constant framrate. I've tried limiting the framrate to either 30 or 40 FPS, but to no avail. I've tried all settings (Low-Ultra), and High-Ultra settings seem my best bet as it put's more pressure on my GPU rather than my CPU, but same maps like Rotterdam or Aerodome are pretty much unplayable.

    As somebody who was a major fan on Xbox One and just recently got into PC, it is disappointing that I cannot play BF5 with my setup. Is there nothing I can do to reduce the CPU bottleneck or at least stop the stuttering?
    Unfortunately, I don't think you can do much about stutter with that hardware. To have a reasonably smooth experience I would suggest to get a 8700k, ddr4 3600 and a 1070gtx.   
    Yeah, that's the thing: I'm planning to upgrade to a Ryzen 3700x (with mobo + RAM obviously) eventually in the future and keeping my RX 570, but right now I can't afford it. I guess playing BF5 on my Xbox One will have to do - which is no terrible experience, the only downside being the controller. I'll keep in  mind the 3600 Memory speed if that does make a notable impact on stability within BF5 - especially if I'm going with ryzen.

  • Pyrobyte_122
    8 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 4
    I have an i5 4440 @3.1ghz paired with an RX 570 4GB Gigabyte Edition, as well as with 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM.

    But the game often stutters, and cannot maintain a constant framrate. I've tried limiting the framrate to either 30 or 40 FPS, but to no avail. I've tried all settings (Low-Ultra), and High-Ultra settings seem my best bet as it put's more pressure on my GPU rather than my CPU, but same maps like Rotterdam or Aerodome are pretty much unplayable.

    You have a pretty old CPU and using DDR3 is not very helpfull.
    BFV minimun requirements:

      OS: 64-bit Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10
      Processor (AMD): AMD FX-8350
      Processor (Intel): Core i5 6600K
      Memory: 8GB RAM
      Graphics card (NVIDIA): NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1050 / NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 660 2GB
      Graphics card (AMD): AMD Radeon™ RX 560 / HD 7850 2GB
      DirectX: 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent
      Online Connection Requirements: 512 KBPS or faster Internet connection
      Available Disk Space: 50GB

    A I5 6600K is 2 generation younger that your CPU and is the minimum Intel CPU  required to run the game.
    You are probably lucky to even be able to run the game.

    Well, I had an i7 4790k and was told upgrading my PC would definitely fix the stuttering bc BF5 needs more than 8 Threads but NOPE, upgraded to Ryzen 3700x and literally nothing changed ( also having a rx 5700xt and 32gb ram) . Stuttering and frame drop issues are as bad as ever..
    So my advice to you is to consider every other option before you decide to upgrade your PC just for BF5, you might be disappointed afterwards.
    Frostbite has always been a very demanding game engine, but on BF5 Dice just goofed up to the point that no matter which pc you own, you can still have terrible performance. DICE hasn't even mentioned this ongoing issue in any of their last patch notes, so it seems to me they just don't care at all.


    You should not have any problem running the game has I was running it with a Ryzen5 1600X, paired with a GTX1080, that is way slower then yours and I never had any stuttering in any games. A little tweaking of your machine and game might fix that.
    I also would recommend turning off DX12 in the game settings has it is know to cause issues on many computers.

    I didn't realise an i5-6600K was a *minimum* requirement, probably should have researched that before purchasing the game. But I can use it for my future PC.
    And as for being "lucky" to run the game: most of the time you can even if it's below minimum standards (as long as it's not an ancient 10 year old cpu with missing instruction sets) - it's just going to be a **** stuttery experience like mine.
    Also I've heard a lot of people (on this forum too) running on 4770k's or 2600k's (OC) and they run the game fine.
  • xKusagamix
    1199 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    I have an i5 4440 @3.1ghz paired with an RX 570 4GB Gigabyte Edition, as well as with 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM.

    But the game often stutters, and cannot maintain a constant framrate. I've tried limiting the framrate to either 30 or 40 FPS, but to no avail. I've tried all settings (Low-Ultra), and High-Ultra settings seem my best bet as it put's more pressure on my GPU rather than my CPU, but same maps like Rotterdam or Aerodome are pretty much unplayable.

    You have a pretty old CPU and using DDR3 is not very helpfull.
    BFV minimun requirements:

      OS: 64-bit Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10
      Processor (AMD): AMD FX-8350
      Processor (Intel): Core i5 6600K
      Memory: 8GB RAM
      Graphics card (NVIDIA): NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1050 / NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 660 2GB
      Graphics card (AMD): AMD Radeon™ RX 560 / HD 7850 2GB
      DirectX: 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent
      Online Connection Requirements: 512 KBPS or faster Internet connection
      Available Disk Space: 50GB

    A I5 6600K is 2 generation younger that your CPU and is the minimum Intel CPU  required to run the game.
    You are probably lucky to even be able to run the game.

    Well, I had an i7 4790k and was told upgrading my PC would definitely fix the stuttering bc BF5 needs more than 8 Threads but NOPE, upgraded to Ryzen 3700x and literally nothing changed ( also having a rx 5700xt and 32gb ram) . Stuttering and frame drop issues are as bad as ever..
    So my advice to you is to consider every other option before you decide to upgrade your PC just for BF5, you might be disappointed afterwards.
    Frostbite has always been a very demanding game engine, but on BF5 Dice just goofed up to the point that no matter which pc you own, you can still have terrible performance. DICE hasn't even mentioned this ongoing issue in any of their last patch notes, so it seems to me they just don't care at all.


    You should not have any problem running the game has I was running it with a Ryzen5 1600X, paired with a GTX1080, that is way slower then yours and I never had any stuttering in any games. A little tweaking of your machine and game might fix that.
    I also would recommend turning off DX12 in the game settings has it is know to cause issues on many computers.

    I didn't realise an i5-6600K was a *minimum* requirement, probably should have researched that before purchasing the game. But I can use it for my future PC.
    And as for being "lucky" to run the game: most of the time you can even if it's below minimum standards (as long as it's not an ancient 10 year old cpu with missing instruction sets) - it's just going to be a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ stuttery experience like mine.
    Also I've heard a lot of people (on this forum too) running on 4770k's or 2600k's (OC) and they run the game fine.
    Even the i7 2600 handle BFV just fine with 8GB of DDR3 1333MHz RAM, some hiccup at the beginning of the round but overall it's playable.
  • Odds1979
    67 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member

    I have performed extensive testing of higher frequency RAM on BF5. The outcome is that the game runs smoother with higher RAM speed.

    Out of curiosity, which CPU did you use to perform the test?

  • xKusagamix
    1199 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Odds1979 said:

    I have performed extensive testing of higher frequency RAM on BF5. The outcome is that the game runs smoother with higher RAM speed.

    Out of curiosity, which CPU did you use to perform the test?

    The 8700K can run higher RAM Speed than 2666MHz, but for gaming as a whole, timing is much more crucial.

  • SystemicProgress
    106 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Odds1979 said:

    I have performed extensive testing of higher frequency RAM on BF5. The outcome is that the game runs smoother with higher RAM speed.

    Out of curiosity, which CPU did you use to perform the test?

    8086k
  • duendemago
    84 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I have an i5 4440 @3.1ghz paired with an RX 570 4GB Gigabyte Edition, as well as with 16GB DDR3 1333mhz RAM.

    But the game often stutters, and cannot maintain a constant framrate. I've tried limiting the framrate to either 30 or 40 FPS, but to no avail. I've tried all settings (Low-Ultra), and High-Ultra settings seem my best bet as it put's more pressure on my GPU rather than my CPU, but same maps like Rotterdam or Aerodome are pretty much unplayable.

    As somebody who was a major fan on Xbox One and just recently got into PC, it is disappointing that I cannot play BF5 with my setup. Is there nothing I can do to reduce the CPU bottleneck or at least stop the stuttering?

    Hello, I'm famous for my constant posts that summarise in one phrase: "IT IS NOT YOUR RIG'S FAULT". The game is very badly optimized. Someone told me that with the latest patch that improved a little bit but nothing close to the performance we get in BF4. You will find many people trolling and saying "upgrade your rig". You have proven that in fact, your rig is not the problem but the game. Between all those trolls you will find people that have very nice high-end rigs having exactly the same issues. But there is a very simple proof:
    -For many weeks I could play many maps with steady 144fps with an i58400K and 2060 with 6GB or Vram.
    -After a patch, the stuttering and the bottlenecking was horrible.. Maybe a server issue? I really don't know and don't care because that game is now uninstalled

    It is so sad that after more than a year this game is still "in development": weapon testing, bla bla bla. Dude, don't fall for any "upgrade your rig" bs until you speak with truly specialists or computer engineers (You can find several in specialized forums such as Tom's Hardware where one of them explained to me and many others why this game was poorly optimized in terms of how it wastes your cores instead of using them properly, generating a "bottleneck effect" which is more noticeable in quad cores as yours.
  • xKusagamix
    1199 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    duendemago wrote: »
    (Quote)
    Hello, I'm famous for my constant posts that summarise in one phrase: "IT IS NOT YOUR RIG'S FAULT". The game is very badly optimized. Someone told me that with the latest patch that improved a little bit but nothing close to the performance we get in BF4. You will find many people trolling and saying "upgrade your rig". You have proven that in fact, your rig is not the problem but the game. Between all those trolls you will find people that have very nice high-end rigs having exactly the same issues. But there is a very simple proof:-For many weeks I could play many maps with steady 144fps with an i58400K and 2060 with 6GB or Vram.
    -After a patch, the stuttering and the bottlenecking was horrible.. Maybe a server issue? I really don't know and don't care because that game is now uninstalled
    It is so sad that after more than a year this game is still "in development": weapon testing, bla bla bla. Dude, don't fall for any "upgrade your rig" bs until you speak with truly specialists or computer engineers (You can find several in specialized forums such as Tom's Hardware where one of them explained to me and many others why this game was poorly optimized in terms of how it wastes your cores instead of using them properly, generating a "bottleneck effect" which is more noticeable in quad cores as yours.
    It's DICE failure if the game running just fine and then has horrible performance, but it's not DICE failure when someone playing the game with a lower minimum requirements parts and expect to have a decent performance.

    Your problem could be anything, driver issues, Windows issues, Memory standby issues... Or indeed a bad server performance/bad patch.

    As for me, the game is always performance just fine with all of my rigs, i7 2600/Ryzen 5 1500X/Ryzen 5 1600/Ryzen 7 2700X.

    It's a must for "upgrade your rig" advice when someone playing the game with lower minimum requirements. And even then, running BFV with Single channel memory will cause massive performance loss.
  • CSO7777
    1944 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 4
    duendemago wrote: »
    (Quote)
    Hello, I'm famous for my constant posts that summarise in one phrase: "IT IS NOT YOUR RIG'S FAULT". The game is very badly optimized. Someone told me that with the latest patch that improved a little bit but nothing close to the performance we get in BF4. You will find many people trolling and saying "upgrade your rig". You have proven that in fact, your rig is not the problem but the game. Between all those trolls you will find people that have very nice high-end rigs having exactly the same issues. But there is a very simple proof:-For many weeks I could play many maps with steady 144fps with an i58400K and 2060 with 6GB or Vram.
    -After a patch, the stuttering and the bottlenecking was horrible.. Maybe a server issue? I really don't know and don't care because that game is now uninstalled
    It is so sad that after more than a year this game is still "in development": weapon testing, bla bla bla. Dude, don't fall for any "upgrade your rig" bs until you speak with truly specialists or computer engineers (You can find several in specialized forums such as Tom's Hardware where one of them explained to me and many others why this game was poorly optimized in terms of how it wastes your cores instead of using them properly, generating a "bottleneck effect" which is more noticeable in quad cores as yours.
    It's DICE failure if the game running just fine and then has horrible performance, but it's not DICE failure when someone playing the game with a lower minimum requirements parts and expect to have a decent performance.

    Your problem could be anything, driver issues, Windows issues, Memory standby issues... Or indeed a bad server performance/bad patch.

    As for me, the game is always performance just fine with all of my rigs, i7 2600/Ryzen 5 1500X/Ryzen 5 1600/Ryzen 7 2700X.

    It's a must for "upgrade your rig" advice when someone playing the game with lower minimum requirements. And even then, running BFV with Single channel memory will cause massive performance loss.
    Exactly, insisting that the game is badly "optimized", when a lot of people doesn't have the problem is just meh. Referring to 'specialists' on THG to try to validate the opinion, sounds more like a spam mail trying to sell wonder-drugs...

    No matter how badly optimized the game is, trying to run the game with below minimum specs will result in bad performance. Whether the minimum specs could be lower with better optimization is another story, but not really relevant for BFV, which actually runs fine on most 'modern' hardware.
  • Nzz1
    57 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Noobs allways have problems. "Bad (slow) hardware kills good games"

    I have 9900k @ 5200mhz and 4800mhz mesh. 4133mhz tweaked memory resulting in 38ns memorylatency. GPU is 2080ti @ "stock" 2000mhz.

    No stuttering and no lag. Perfectly smooth in DX12.

  • TFBisquit
    2284 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Nzz1 said:
    Noobs allways have problems. "Bad (slow) hardware kills good games"

    I have 9900k @ 5200mhz and 4800mhz mesh. 4133mhz tweaked memory resulting in 38ns memorylatency. GPU is 2080ti @ "stock" 2000mhz.

    No stuttering and no lag. Perfectly smooth in DX12.


    Now why would that be, huh?
    But agreed, it isn't bad optimized, and runs quite stable on various cpu's. You need the threads though, 4 isn't cutting it. Only downside I can find is that low graphics settings isn't really low.
    Btw, I only experience stutters in the beginning of a map, after I've cleaned out the cache. In DX12. It runs smooth if I leave things as are.
    Reason I don't use DX12 is because of texture flicker in my scopes, irons included, and some input lag which causes deaths that are prevented when running dx11. I take the somewhat lower fps as long as I'm right on point in direct fire fights.
    and ofcourse someone that can't/won't buy a $1500,00 videocard doesn't have to be a noob.
    I can afford it, but I just can't justify it for myself.
  • CSO7777
    1944 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Nzz1 said:
    Noobs allways have problems. "Bad (slow) hardware kills good games"

    I have 9900k @ 5200mhz and 4800mhz mesh. 4133mhz tweaked memory resulting in 38ns memorylatency. GPU is 2080ti @ "stock" 2000mhz.

    No stuttering and no lag. Perfectly smooth in DX12.

    Bragging about your own system doesn't really help OP...

    But OP should either buy a used cheap I7 (preferable K-version) that fits his motherboard or upgrade the MB/RAM/CPU, if he wants to play BFV.
  • SystemicProgress
    106 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Odds1979 said:

    I have performed extensive testing of higher frequency RAM on BF5. The outcome is that the game runs smoother with higher RAM speed.

    Out of curiosity, which CPU did you use to perform the test?

    The 8700K can run higher RAM Speed than 2666MHz, but for gaming as a whole, timing is much more crucial.

    It seems that tighter timings have a higher impact than frequency, but in my case things were different. I am getting a better BFV performance with looser timings on 3600, than with tighter timing with 3200. It is not a FPS gain. The game-play is just significantly smoother. I feel that 4000 would provide even more stability. 
  • gphillips8797
    1 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    id upgrade 
  • Carbonic
    1965 postsMember, Moderator, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Moderator
    Memory frequency vs. memory latencies depends highly on the game and the platform. Frequency might mean the most until a certain point and then latency becomes the most important, when that is might happen on higher frequencies on AMD than on Intel.
    Amount of memory, quad channel/dual channel/single channel etc.  also affects it.
    If you purchase one of the new Ryzens it's recommended that you go for 3600mhz memory first and then you can concentrate more on lower timings.
  • tinianxxx
    22 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    I can play fairly well with i3-8100 16gb 2400mhz ram and 1050 ti. I just have everything low and don't mind the micro stuttering.
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