Update 6.2 Thoughts and Opinions

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  • bran1986
    5913 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    The Gewher 1-5 will beat most automatics at 10 meters, that is balanced? lol.
  • Mr_I3urzum
    5 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    It doesn't really matter what the TTK is, if Dice/EA doesn't do anything about hacking there is really no point in continuing playing this dumpster fire.
  • DingoKillr
    4350 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Mr_I3urzum wrote: »
    It doesn't really matter what the TTK is, if Dice/EA doesn't do anything about hacking there is really no point in continuing playing this dumpster fire.
    Agree and it getting so bad in Asia that up 4 different players are rage hacking every game.
  • TFBisquit
    2284 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Loqtrall said:
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    Harro4289 wrote: »
    Wont matter after the patch when they nerf the type 2a, because ive noticed lately every try hard using the stg 44.  Dunno why, its obviously the new bandwagon everyone has jumped on, becuase noone has a mind of there own, they have to be told, this is the new scrub weapon so go use it.

    The STG44 has been a go-to weapon since launch, not because it's a scrub weapon, but because of how it's designed. It's a select fire Assault Rifle with a decent rate of fire, great damage output, and a good mag capacity, that can be equipped with a myriad of optics.

    After this patch it will have even more recoil than it does now, so it's performance isn't going to get better unless the only people you ever shoot at like 75+ meters away.

    It's not a scrub weapon merely because it's a popular weapon. If the STGs performance is indicative of a scrub weapon, then essentially every fully automatic weapon outside of PDWs in BF4 were scrub weapons.

    Stg44 is a try hard scrub weapon and real life reasons are not a excuse for it.

    Lmao you're sounding a bit salty there, chief. So your mindset is essentially if a weapon is popular, it's a try hard scrub weapon? Like the hipster of Battlefield?

    Salty? No. Everyone around here knows Stg44 is easiest option available for Assault class.

    I would actually argue the Gewehr 1-5 is the easiest weapon in the weapon in the Assault class if you can actually aim. And apart from 5.2 neutering all DMRs, it has always been one of the hardest hitting and most forgiving weapons in the class.

    It really does sound like you're just insisting a weapon is a noob gun because a lot of people use it.

    Gewehr 1-5 is nowhere close to being easiest.

    Stg44 was always the easiest scrub gun thats why every try hard assault is using it. Otherwise everyone would running around with Gewerh 1-5.

    Its also funny you guys cant admit the obvious fact.

    The G1-5 is almost one of the easiest to use weapons in the game right now. It's literally a single fire STG that kills in 3 or 4 shots at most ranges, has a fast rof for a single fire gun, has just as large magazine, has a fast magazine reload, and has significantly less recoil than all automatic weapons.

    It's legitimately like using the STG44 in single fire mode if it killed in 3-4 body shots at most normal engagement ranges.

    You're absolutely naive if you're going to claim it isn't nearly as easy to use as the STG. It's even easier to use and has a friggin hip-fire spec for cqb.

    The guy's that usually examine weapons stats after changes in this game (2 prominent members on the subreddit) have literally outlined how good the gewehr 1-5 is in their latest charts and have unofficially dubbed it the easiest to use weapon currently in the game.

    Unless your average accuracy stat is like sub 10% and you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if you had the end of your barrel glued to it.

    People don't run around with the G1-5 because they can't aim.

    After 6.2, DMRs are the kings of ease of use and effectiveness again, and the 1-5 is definitely a frontrunner in that group.

    Alright lets see the BS that writes here.

    Gewerh 1-5 has only 3 btk of 30 meters, 4 btk of 50 meters, 5 btk range of 100 meters and it becames 6 btk after that.

    360 rpm of rof is definetely not impressive when M1 garand literally has the same rof and more damage.

    When it comes to recoil Gewerh 1-5 has worse vertical recoil then Karabin, M1 garand, Ag M42 and so on which its not that impressive either.

    Even the Muzzle velocity of Gewerh 1-5 is worst in its class and there is no way to upgrade it.

    The only redeeming factor of gewerh 1-5 is its big mag and hip fire specs which definetly does not makes the gun easiest to use. Just like any SAR in game you will need some decent aiming to do well with. With Stg44 you dont really need decent aiming.

    Lmao these comparisons you're making are not only all over the place, but they blatantly leave out the drawbacks the weapons you mention have in comparison to the G1-5.

    Let's compare to the M1 Garand first. Sure, the M1 Garand may hit harder, but it has an over 3x smaller mag size, a substantially slower reload even with quick reload spec, and even with its heavy load spec on it has a slower ttk in cqb than the G1-5. It does not have substantially less vertical recoil than the G1-5, whereas the M1 Garand's VRec stat is 0.018 with enhanced grips and heavy load for more damage output - the G1-5s VRec is 0.0096, even better than the M1 with a substantially lower cqb ttk and a significantly more forgiving mag size.

    The M1 Outdamages the G1-5 at range, but only by a wide margin if you use heavy load which makes its ROF and recoil worse than the G1-5 - on top of having a substantially smaller magazine and a longer reload.

    Then we can compare to the AGM, which fires faster, but has a substantially smaller magazine and does substantially less damage per shot. The AGM does worse in btk, ttk, and damage per shot than the 1-5 on top of having a way smaller mag, and way more spread while moving and standing still.

    It's a low recoil weapon with rounds that do significantly less damage than the G1-5 does and a mag size that is substantially less forgiving. On top of that it doesn't even shoot that much faster.

    The Karabin - it has a slower rate of fire than the 1-5, a near 3x smaller magazine, a slower reload speed, and despite doing more damage per shot than the 1-5 it has a higher ttk than the 1-5 in close quarters just as the other Dmrs listed did despite their stats.

    And sure, the 1-5 may require more accuracy than the STG44 AT CLOSE RANGE, but it's hip fire specs are fantastic for cqb and by default the weapon is more accurate than the STG44 while having a similar/stronger damage output in cqb and an even stronger damage output at range.

    You see, those Dmrs are not somehow easier to use or as forgiving as the 1-5 because they have less recoil or do more damage per shot. They're ALL held back by either their small mags, the slow reloads, their ROF, etc.

    The 1-5 is the best of ALL worlds. It does the damage and ROF of a DMR while having the mag size, reload speed, and cqb maneuverability of an Assault Rifle. THAT is why it is the easiest and most forgiving DMR to use, in a game where DMRs are essentially the kings of gunplay now from a statistical standpoint.

    Maybe if those other DMRs had 31 round detachable magazines that could be reloaded as fast as an AR and cqb specs that made them an absolute breeze to use aggressively, then you'd actually have a point.

    It's certainly not the best of all worlds. For all its purposes it's outclassed/outgunned by most other assault weapons. I grant you that it's a fun weapon to use, and the mag is indeed a plus. But for the rest it's certainly not a very good weapon.
    and as for ease of use, no it isn't that easy to do well with it. When ads fov is set to on, vrec is less noticable, but still there. With it disabled (so nydar zooms in a little) vrec is substantial. and with many game modes where people run&gun, you're easily gunned down by fast rof weapons.
    Then almost nobody is using it, proving that it just isn't a good weapon.
    And it can't, because Dice nerfed it the most of all weapons, in several patches.
  • Loqtrall
    12468 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 13
    TFBisquit wrote: »
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    It's certainly not the best of all worlds. For all its purposes it's outclassed/outgunned by most other assault weapons. I grant you that it's a fun weapon to use, and the mag is indeed a plus. But for the rest it's certainly not a very good weapon.and as for ease of use, no it isn't that easy to do well with it. When ads fov is set to on, vrec is less noticable, but still there. With it disabled (so nydar zooms in a little) vrec is substantial. and with many game modes where people run&gun, you're easily gunned down by fast rof weapons.Then almost nobody is using it, proving that it just isn't a good weapon.And it can't, because Dice nerfed it the most of all weapons, in several patches.

    No, it does not get outgunned by all full auto Assault guns.

    Let's outline its stats via weapon comparison on sym.gg

    First off - the G1-5 requires less bullets to kill at all ranges than all other full auto Assault weapons. It also does more damage per bullet at all ranges than all full auto Assault weapons. It has less horizontal recoil than every full auto Assault weapon. It has less overall spread than all full auto Assault weapons, and it is significantly more accurate at sustained fire than all the full auto Assault weapons unless we really want to compare it to a Ribeyrolles in its bipod.

    Then there's the ttk differences.

    From 50m and beyond the G1-5 has the highest ttk compared to all full auto Assault weapons. But Sym calculated ttks at long range based on the assumption a player is firing a full RoF and are landing 100% of shots, and I'm speaking of ranges where full autos are so ineffective that you need to burst or use tap fire to hit target, which substantially increases ttk. And below that in cqb?

    The g1-5s base ttk (the highest it gets compared to full auto weapons in cqb) is 335ms. The TTK of the STG44 at the same range is 302ms. The Ribeyrolles - 335ms. The M2 Carbine - 290ms. The STG1-5 - 270ms. And as a surprise to nobody, the 1907 clocks in at 235ms.

    That's an average difference of 50ms ttk, between full autos and a weapon that has the same mag size or bigger, more damage per shot, more range capability, and generally better accuracy.

    The 1907 has the best chance of outright outgunning a G1-5 in cqb and even then, it's not that accurate of a weapon and its mag size is substantially less forgiving.

    The further away you get from 0-10m, the more the ball is in the G1-5s court.

    From 10-30m? It has a TTK of 357ms against the STG44s 422ms, the STG1-5s 379ms, the Ribeyrolles 464ms, the M2 Carbine 383ms, and the 1907z 334ms.

    You extend the range and it only gets more unforgiving to full autos and the ball is put even further into the G1-5s court.

    It is an exceedingly easy to use weapon and it can outgun several full auto weapons at all ranges in the right hands. Nobody in this game has perfect accuracy with full autos, the average players accuracy stat with full auto weapons usually hangs below 20% - its not as if every scrub you run into in cqb while using the G1-5 is going to land every shot. The further away you're standing, the more likely it is to come out on top with that weapon.

    You know why most players don't use that weapon the way its intended to be used? Because people in this game can't aim, your average player couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if the barrel of their gun was glued to it, which is why sitting in corners an windows with MMGs has been such a popular go-to for players in this game.

    That's why we have one half of the community filled with generally okay and skilled players claiming DMRs are the absolute kings of the game in the current gun balance, and then still have random scrubs posting on various platforms that the STG44 and STG1-5 are still the easiest to use weapons ever. Because they can spray 31 rounds non stop at a guy from the hip in cqb and manage to get 4 hits and a kill out of an entire magazine, and probably couldn't do the same with a DMR.
  • GrizzGolf
    1413 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    STG feels normal again 
  • WalcalkhIII
    58 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Loqtrall said:
    TFBisquit wrote: »
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    It's certainly not the best of all worlds. For all its purposes it's outclassed/outgunned by most other assault weapons. I grant you that it's a fun weapon to use, and the mag is indeed a plus. But for the rest it's certainly not a very good weapon.and as for ease of use, no it isn't that easy to do well with it. When ads fov is set to on, vrec is less noticable, but still there. With it disabled (so nydar zooms in a little) vrec is substantial. and with many game modes where people run&gun, you're easily gunned down by fast rof weapons.Then almost nobody is using it, proving that it just isn't a good weapon.And it can't, because Dice nerfed it the most of all weapons, in several patches.

    No, it does not get outgunned by all full auto Assault guns.

    Let's outline its stats via weapon comparison on sym.gg

    First off - the G1-5 requires less bullets to kill at all ranges than all other full auto Assault weapons. It also does more damage per bullet at all ranges than all full auto Assault weapons. It has less horizontal recoil than every full auto Assault weapon. It has less overall spread than all full auto Assault weapons, and it is significantly more accurate at sustained fire than all the full auto Assault weapons unless we really want to compare it to a Ribeyrolles in its bipod.

    Then there's the ttk differences.

    From 50m and beyond the G1-5 has the highest ttk compared to all full auto Assault weapons. But Sym calculated ttks at long range based on the assumption a player is firing a full RoF and are landing 100% of shots, and I'm speaking of ranges where full autos are so ineffective that you need to burst or use tap fire to hit target, which substantially increases ttk. And below that in cqb?

    The g1-5s base ttk (the highest it gets compared to full auto weapons in cqb) is 335ms. The TTK of the STG44 at the same range is 302ms. The Ribeyrolles - 335ms. The M2 Carbine - 290ms. The STG1-5 - 270ms. And as a surprise to nobody, the 1907 clocks in at 235ms.

    That's an average difference of 50ms ttk, between full autos and a weapon that has the same mag size or bigger, more damage per shot, more range capability, and generally better accuracy.

    The 1907 has the best chance of outright outgunning a G1-5 in cqb and even then, it's not that accurate of a weapon and its mag size is substantially less forgiving.

    The further away you get from 0-10m, the more the ball is in the G1-5s court.

    From 10-30m? It has a TTK of 357ms against the STG44s 422ms, the STG1-5s 379ms, the Ribeyrolles 464ms, the M2 Carbine 383ms, and the 1907z 334ms.

    You extend the range and it only gets more unforgiving to full autos and the ball is put even further into the G1-5s court.

    It is an exceedingly easy to use weapon and it can outgun several full auto weapons at all ranges in the right hands. Nobody in this game has perfect accuracy with full autos, the average players accuracy stat with full auto weapons usually hangs below 20% - its not as if every scrub you run into in cqb while using the G1-5 is going to land every shot. The further away you're standing, the more likely it is to come out on top with that weapon.

    You know why most players don't use that weapon the way its intended to be used? Because people in this game can't aim, your average player couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if the barrel of their gun was glued to it, which is why sitting in corners an windows with MMGs has been such a popular go-to for players in this game.

    That's why we have one half of the community filled with generally okay and skilled players claiming DMRs are the absolute kings of the game in the current gun balance, and then still have random scrubs posting on various platforms that the STG44 and STG1-5 are still the easiest to use weapons ever. Because they can spray 31 rounds non stop at a guy from the hip in cqb and manage to get 4 hits and a kill out of an entire magazine, and probably couldn't do the same with a DMR.
    Tbh, I find the G1-5 to be one of those "okay" semi-autos. Though it being in the game from release is kinda strange, seeing as it and the StG1-5 were both late war last ditch efforts (though there is no concrete evidence of a full auto Volksturmgewehr existing outside of it being an experimental weapon) 
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