FG 42 - is it any good? I just don't know

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  • MrCamp121
    1000 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    CT1924 wrote: »
    MrCamp121 wrote: »
    CT1924 wrote: »
    talhaONE wrote: »
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    in 5.2.2 yes. now its a lot better than the bar at range, due to significantly lower horizontal recoil. i'd argue the fg is the best lmg to win straight up 1v1 gunfights. Also in the tiny comp scene that is left in this game, the fg42 is the most used lmg right now. 

    BAR has slowfire mode with minimal horizontal recoil. There is no way Fg-42 perform better then BAR at range.

    FG42 kills faster at range, and has the possibility for low horozontal recoil, and barrel bedding, for full auto.

    Ill never use an fg42 or BAR for range. The BAR shreds in cqc provided you can track without hipfire

    To each their own. But select fire let's me string headshots like a lewis gun. Plus, it has one of the good + shape 3x scopes.

    True that. Not a fan of 3X scopes on autos but just me.
  • The_BERG_366
    2583 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    bran1986 wrote: »
    CT1924 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    It will be good once DICE fixes these idiotic damage drop offs for automatics.

    Autos are no longer good at mid range, but lmgs are designed for mid range. RIP.

    They aren't even good at what I would consider close range. Certain dmrs will beat certain smgs, ARs, and lmgs at just 10 meters.

    and that's just simply wrong....
  • bran1986
    5864 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    bran1986 wrote: »
    CT1924 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    It will be good once DICE fixes these idiotic damage drop offs for automatics.

    Autos are no longer good at mid range, but lmgs are designed for mid range. RIP.

    They aren't even good at what I would consider close range. Certain dmrs will beat certain smgs, ARs, and lmgs at just 10 meters.

    and that's just simply wrong....

    No that is a statistical fact.
  • The_BERG_366
    2583 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    bran1986 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    CT1924 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    It will be good once DICE fixes these idiotic damage drop offs for automatics.

    Autos are no longer good at mid range, but lmgs are designed for mid range. RIP.

    They aren't even good at what I would consider close range. Certain dmrs will beat certain smgs, ARs, and lmgs at just 10 meters.

    and that's just simply wrong....

    No that is a statistical fact.

    oh really?
    can you elaborate with an example?
  • mf_shro0m
    2291 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    bran1986 wrote: »
    CT1924 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    It will be good once DICE fixes these idiotic damage drop offs for automatics.

    Autos are no longer good at mid range, but lmgs are designed for mid range. RIP.

    They aren't even good at what I would consider close range. Certain dmrs will beat certain smgs, ARs, and lmgs at just 10 meters.

    Yeh they need to nerf the hipfire specialisations of all the guns except SMGs
  • mf_shro0m
    2291 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited March 26
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    Also in the tiny comp scene that is left in this game, the fg42 is the most used lmg right now. 
    I’m not surprised but that’s more to do with how poor all the other options are (minus the BAR) than anything else. Don’t get me wrong, the FG isn’t a bad gun, it’s just rather meh. I don’t see any reason to pick it over an SAR or AR

    It’s a real shame because conceptually I’ve always really liked the gun
  • CT1924
    955 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    bran1986 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    CT1924 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    It will be good once DICE fixes these idiotic damage drop offs for automatics.

    Autos are no longer good at mid range, but lmgs are designed for mid range. RIP.

    They aren't even good at what I would consider close range. Certain dmrs will beat certain smgs, ARs, and lmgs at just 10 meters.

    and that's just simply wrong....

    No that is a statistical fact.

    oh really?
    can you elaborate with an example?

    Someone just check symthic already. Both sides present data.
  • CT1924
    955 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    Also in the tiny comp scene that is left in this game, the fg42 is the most used lmg right now. 
    I’m not surprised but that’s more to do with how poor all the other options are (minus the BAR) than anything else. Don’t get me wrong, the FG isn’t a bad gun, it’s just rather meh. I don’t see any reason to pick it over an SAR or AR

    It’s a real shame because conceptually I’ve always really liked the gun

    I am stubborn, and like its select fire noise. A lot. But even the madsen loses to semi autos at range, so lmgs will always be screwed.
  • CT1924
    955 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    bran1986 wrote: »
    CT1924 wrote: »
    bran1986 wrote: »
    It will be good once DICE fixes these idiotic damage drop offs for automatics.

    Autos are no longer good at mid range, but lmgs are designed for mid range. RIP.

    They aren't even good at what I would consider close range. Certain dmrs will beat certain smgs, ARs, and lmgs at just 10 meters.

    Yeh they need to nerf the hipfire specialisations of all the guns except SMGs

    I dunno. We only get one sight. Maybe if they add a 1x zoom stock stabilization(mmg ads), on top of scopes.
  • TyroneLoyd
    1616 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    *shrug* I like the fg42 now.
  • The_BERG_366
    2583 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
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    Also in the tiny comp scene that is left in this game, the fg42 is the most used lmg right now. 
    I’m not surprised but that’s more to do with how poor all the other options are (minus the BAR) than anything else. Don’t get me wrong, the FG isn’t a bad gun, it’s just rather meh. I don’t see any reason to pick it over an SAR or AR

    It’s a real shame because conceptually I’ve always really liked the gun

    I might add that all slrs are banned because (for comp play even more so than for pubs) the slrs are ways too good at ranged combat. however the bar is not banned, yet most people deliberately chose the fg42 over it, sometimes also over the likes of an stg or sturmgewehr 1-5
  • CT1924
    955 postsMember, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    Also in the tiny comp scene that is left in this game, the fg42 is the most used lmg right now. 
    I’m not surprised but that’s more to do with how poor all the other options are (minus the BAR) than anything else. Don’t get me wrong, the FG isn’t a bad gun, it’s just rather meh. I don’t see any reason to pick it over an SAR or AR

    It’s a real shame because conceptually I’ve always really liked the gun

    I might add that all slrs are banned because (for comp play even more so than for pubs) the slrs are ways too good at ranged combat. however the bar is not banned, yet most people deliberately chose the fg42 over it, sometimes also over the likes of an stg or sturmgewehr 1-5

    Is there competitive play?
  • TyroneLoyd
    1616 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    CT1924 wrote: »
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    Also in the tiny comp scene that is left in this game, the fg42 is the most used lmg right now. 
    I’m not surprised but that’s more to do with how poor all the other options are (minus the BAR) than anything else. Don’t get me wrong, the FG isn’t a bad gun, it’s just rather meh. I don’t see any reason to pick it over an SAR or AR

    It’s a real shame because conceptually I’ve always really liked the gun

    I might add that all slrs are banned because (for comp play even more so than for pubs) the slrs are ways too good at ranged combat. however the bar is not banned, yet most people deliberately chose the fg42 over it, sometimes also over the likes of an stg or sturmgewehr 1-5

    Is there competitive play?

    It's a very small org that puts up scrim like games together. Mini tournaments if you will. I take a peak from time to time but I don't remember the name of it.
  • The_BERG_366
    2583 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    CT1924 said:
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    Also in the tiny comp scene that is left in this game, the fg42 is the most used lmg right now. 
    I’m not surprised but that’s more to do with how poor all the other options are (minus the BAR) than anything else. Don’t get me wrong, the FG isn’t a bad gun, it’s just rather meh. I don’t see any reason to pick it over an SAR or AR

    It’s a real shame because conceptually I’ve always really liked the gun

    I might add that all slrs are banned because (for comp play even more so than for pubs) the slrs are ways too good at ranged combat. however the bar is not banned, yet most people deliberately chose the fg42 over it, sometimes also over the likes of an stg or sturmgewehr 1-5

    Is there competitive play?
    not officially, no. but there are some different tournament organisers around, hosting tournaments for all platforms (mostly 5v5 or 8v8 squad conquest, a few do 12v12 conquest or even frontlines). but yeah, as i said, the scene is tiny compared to what it was in previous titles (especially bf4) 
  • The_BERG_366
    2583 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    @bran1986 can you prove your "statistical facts" please?
    im sorry but its unreasonable to expect that i prove the non-existence of something. on top of that you started making a positive claim so please go ahead and show us. otherwise its just an empty claim...
  • StealthAria
    503 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    @bran1986 can you prove your "statistical facts" please?
    im sorry but its unreasonable to expect that i prove the non-existence of something. on top of that you started making a positive claim so please go ahead and show us. otherwise its just an empty claim...
    M1 has a 4 BtK up close, not dropping off until 30 meters or so, at 450 RPM, this actually puts it in the same damage bracket as the M2 Grease gun at 10 meters, and by 20 meters the M1 has a better TtK thanks to the Grease gun being 6 BtK at that point.
    Some of the others, such as the MAB38, have a 6 BtK at max damage, but fire less than the 675 RPM they would need to beat the M1's TtK.

    A couple other SARs also beat SMGs as well, thanks to them having a 3 BtK at <300 RPM.
  • The_BERG_366
    2583 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
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    M1 has a 4 BtK up close, not dropping off until 30 meters or so, at 450 RPM, this actually puts it in the same damage bracket as the M2 Grease gun at 10 meters, and by 20 meters the M1 has a better TtK thanks to the Grease gun being 6 BtK at that point.
    Some of the others, such as the MAB38, have a 6 BtK at max damage, but fire less than the 675 RPM they would need to beat the M1's TtK.

    A couple other SARs also beat SMGs as well, thanks to them having a 3 BtK at <300 RPM.

    the grease gun is a three shot kill at 10 meters, bringing its effective ttk down by 33%. and at distances just a bit longer than 10 meters the grease gun still has higher dps, as well as being full auto and having better hipfire. so I can't see how the m1 carbine should be considered to be "beating" the grease gun at just 10 meters.
  • StealthAria
    503 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
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    M1 has a 4 BtK up close, not dropping off until 30 meters or so, at 450 RPM, this actually puts it in the same damage bracket as the M2 Grease gun at 10 meters, and by 20 meters the M1 has a better TtK thanks to the Grease gun being 6 BtK at that point.
    Some of the others, such as the MAB38, have a 6 BtK at max damage, but fire less than the 675 RPM they would need to beat the M1's TtK.

    A couple other SARs also beat SMGs as well, thanks to them having a 3 BtK at <300 RPM.

    the grease gun is a three shot kill at 10 meters, bringing its effective ttk down by 33%. and at distances just a bit longer than 10 meters the grease gun still has higher dps, as well as being full auto and having better hipfire. so I can't see how the m1 carbine should be considered to be "beating" the grease gun at just 10 meters.
    Recoil, and the grease gun starts to drop off before 10 meters, by around 10 meters it's 4 BtK. (Exact distance is 12.45 meters, iirc)  but the GG punishes heavily if you don't have perfect recoil control, while the SARs are still practically zero recoil, letting you easily cut the BtK on any SAR down to 2 with consecutive HS at max RPM.
  • The_BERG_366
    2583 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
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    Recoil, and the grease gun starts to drop off before 10 meters, by around 10 meters it's 4 BtK. (Exact distance is 12.45 meters, iirc)  but the GG punishes heavily if you don't have perfect recoil control, while the SARs are still practically zero recoil, letting you easily cut the BtK on any SAR down to 2 with consecutive HS at max RPM.

    recoil is not important within 10 meters and the grease guns recoil isn't heavy in the first place. also at 10 meters it's a 3 shot, check sym.gg. the drop off starts at exactly 10 meters though.
    you refrain to very unlikely scenarios that aren't applicable to an overwhelming majority of the player base. people don't just hit headshots in cqb consistently, if they did nobody would be using fast rpm high recoil guns but guess what people complain about them all the time and they are everywhere.
    again the grease gun has higher dps full auto fire and better hipfire while both guns recoil is ways too low to make any kind of difference within 10 meters.
    the m1 simply isn't good in cqb, its as easy as that.
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