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  • The_BERG_366
    2657 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
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    :joy: what stats bashing? im not telling you that you or your stats are bad. im pointing out that you lie about your stats or what you claimed to do in game. youre not free to just claim whatever you want about what you did just because stats bashing isnt allowed. statsbashing doesnt protect liars like you. 

    "The thing is I had many games when I joined late" lmao sure. thats why the four reports i provided (where you mostly didn't reach even close to 15 destroys) are all in perfect map rotation order and appear in your profile with time stamps that perfectly fit the round time displayed within the reports lol. but im sure you just switched after every round then wasted some time in the menus, joined a new server that is on the same map as the last server you played on is now and also happens to finish the round at pretty much exactly the same time as the last one. and you didn't do this once you did it three times in a row. multiple perfectly parallel operating servers are really something special. on top of that other players seemed to do the exact same thing as they seem to always reappear on your servers. thats really an exceptional statistical occurrence, truly outstanding :wink:.
    OR you simply played multiple rounds on one server. im sure the first scenario is a lot more convincing though. 

    oh i saw this video already, thought about bashing it in my first comment but thought it was kinda off topic so i didn't. but now that you mention it in pride yourself im gladly taking the opportunity. 
    "I prohibited airspace for enemy team, using a tool designed for that. ". you do an amazing job at that i have to say. especially within the first minute when planes are litterally flying directly over your head and you still don't kill them, often not even damage them severely. thats what i call airspace denial :joy:. or look at 02:10: that spitfire doesnt care about you at all. i mean you already have literally 0 impact on any objectives because you just shoot planes that fly over your own spawn. And that one doesnt even try to evade you or anything, he could have flown on the seaside to the spawn no problem. but he decided to just straight up fly over you and still took less than 10 damage. thats what you call prohibiting airspace? :joy: this guy even comes back and flies pretty much straight at you and still gets away with his life. not only is he not being held back from flying ANYWHERE on the map, he even flies directly at you without attacking you (which is the worst thing he could possibly do) and still gets away. in what dreamworld are you living my guy? do you seriously think you were effective? 
    so in conclusion you took down three pilots in 4 minutes that all flew directly over your head (sometimes multiple times). on top of that the first two were very inexperienced. the first pilot has a grand total of 14 kills in planes lmao. you're truly showing us how good that aa is by killing players that have pretty much no experience in a planes at all and fly like bots. 
    any decent pilot would either kill you or straight up ignore you and just continuing doing what he's doing. 

    Berg as I said your logic is heavily lacking. Val in first post was with one spec tree unlocked, german flak was with first 2 perks unlocked, if you watch final seconds i ve unlocked the third one in that video. The fact is i destroyed lots of planes with not specced maas, bombers were toasted. In the vid i destroyed Vb s you can see the czech camo and one strafing me. They came after me but i constantly moved but using cover. Or you re dead. I am not very good at maths I agree actually i have 192 kills not 190 with both maas but this is proving my point. Maa is a beast and is perfect for keeping planes at bay.
    To others that claimed that i was not against top pilots, I will say I am a top pilot, but a fact is those top pilots you will encounter in a less than one percent of the servers. So stop crying and use that.

    you simply can't stick with the topic now can you?
    i don't care about your unprecise claims like "bombers were toasted". fact is you claimed to destroy 15 planes at average, which is not true, not even close. you can make as many excuses as you wish, it won't change the facts.

    And the video just shows you missing a lot of shots and shooting down random planes that make the mistake of flying directly over your head. except for the last one not a single one "went for you". it wasn't an intense fight that you managed to get out on top of due to your epic movement strategies. you shot at planes for four minutes litterally sitting in one spot with a resupply station 10 meters away from you without any opposition you clown. you didn't kill a single plane that wasn't litterally flying directly above you. Often time planes even flew directly above you and almost didn't take any damage. i think you need to look up what "prohibiting airspace" means, cause thats not what you did at all. 

    "I will say I am a top pilot" :joy: sure you are. A top pilot without a single plane with a kpm higher than 1.(fyi: THIS was statsbashing :wink:)
    Do you even use your brain Berg? I play CQ only, in your dreams you can have 1kpm per minute. Maybe your logic gets stuck under those top leaderboards riddled with BT "pilots" and "tonkers". Maybe you can think out of the box, the fact is you are nothing but a stasbasher and a terrible one.

    You expect dominating with an unspecced tonk, without turret traverse. Nice thinking tell me more. Aside that I continued yesterday to dominate skies with those things. 
    Best player my team on Arras with 10 planes destroyed
    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/gamereport/psn/1247274903803496448?handle=ElitesT_PeasanT

    12 planes destroyed Twisted Steel
    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/gamereport/psn/1247255389837690880?handle=ElitesT_PeasanT

    So my little experiment proves everything I ve said in OP.

    PS: I had many planes destroyed on Hamada as well, and I did encounter 220 level pilots. One of them on Narvik killed me 2 times with G2, but my team played bombers, and I was the only one against planes with a ground vehicle. The russian was skilled, high pinger, he went 23 k/d but had tough times with me. Was fun I destroyed 3 bombers and kept him busy all game long. Their team lost so even tho I went 7-4 was worth it.

    Use MAA boys it is worth it, no doubt about that.
    and? i only fly/flew in conquest as well and even i have well over 1 kpm on most planes and im not a top pilot. and its not like you're close to 1. 0.6 on the g2, 0.3 und the g6, 0.7 on the vb and 0.4 on the VA, how? honestly. do you fly circles in your spawn or what? all the actual top pilots i know have at least my kpm, mostly considerably higher, simply because they kill ground targets more reliably and win dogfights most consistently and quicker as well. 
    i mean im not here to nit-pick on stats like trying to make a point on a difference of 0.1 on some plane. but if on your top 6 planes, i (a decent but certainly not a top pilot) have anywhere from  twice all the way up to 4 times your kpm it just makes you wonder. how can a randy pilot like me get so much more kills than you, a "top pilot"?

    i don't expect that at all, im still simply calling out your lies and its amazing how you keep proving yourself wrong. claiming that you destroy 15 planes in a round at average and now you post your best games with 10 and 12 destroys. big brain plays my dude. 
    i don't care if you are good or not. however, if you claim obviously wrong things to be the truth i gonna call you out for it. 

    "So my little experiment proves everything I ve said in OP." yeah totally, especially your legitimation which is based on your amazing performance, which you lied about, as shown multiple times by now. 
    As I said you are delusional. I cant be bothered looking to your awesome pilot stats, I am fairly convinced are subparl. I have no problems, your deep analysis stats bashing proves nothing. So I came with facts you came with nothing.

    Your kpm could be 1 if you rush, fly over enemy home flag, kill a bunch of people stacked there, and die the next second in CQ.  As I know from BF1, you had tough times with planes, you cant shine on this one sry.

    You spend less than one minute to enemy home flag, have some multikills, proves nothing.

    Which I am fairly sure, it is all you can do taxiing planes and medic train and 
    I suspect, you heavily stack bombers on Breakthrough, if it is true you have 1kpm. Cq is not possible as principle if you stay in the air whole game, and do something for your team.

    If you play bombers on BT and your best class is assault, would be not good for you. Invalidates everything you said. The cheesiest mode, the easiest class and the easiest vehicle to rack up easy kill with.

    Tell us legend, that 1kpm with planes is it true or not?
    if mine are subpar (which would be fine by me) than you're are absolute noob level. youre just dissing yourself at this point. 

    "i came with facts":
    "i get 15 plane destroys a round at average". well actually not.... not even close 
    "They came after me but i constantly moved but using cover. ". actually, no! you just sit behind a rock 10 meters away from a resuplly station and nobody ever attacked you until the end. 
    "You expect dominating with an unspecced tonk, without turret traverse. Nice thinking tell me more. ". nobody every expected that from you, learn to read. 

    are these your amazing "facts"? :joy:

    "As I know from BF1, you had tough times with planes, you cant shine on this one sry" yeah very rough, as anyone can see in this video you made complaining about me not taking damage lmao. please expose me again with one of these single kill masterpieces, has been a while since you made a fan video for me :wink:

    "I suspect, you heavily stack bombers on Breakthrough, if it is true you have 1kpm.". nice FACTS. i mean you could just check it yourself by literally two clicks with your mouse, but you rather resort to assumptions and fairytale and make yourself look even most stupid. mister FACTS right there :joy:

    "Cq is not possible as principle if you stay in the air whole game, and do something for your team.". normally, a conquest round takes 20-30 minutes. do you seriously belive top pilots cant get 25-30 kills average per conquest round? :joy:. on top of that you also get shot down hence you wouldn't even have to get that many kills per round to get a 1kpm . 20 would probably be sufficient. you have 0.34 kpm on the g6. that means IF you stay up the whole round, you get an AVERAGE grand total of 9 or 10 kills per full conquest round. if you get shot down even less. do you seriously think a top pilot gets less than 10 kills a round at AVERAGE with a g6? :joy:
    as always, rather than just checking it and seeing that people do get these kind of numbers, you just say its not possible and ignore it. nice FACTS!

    "If you play bombers on BT and your best class is assault, would be not good for you. Invalidates everything you said. The cheesiest mode, the easiest class and the easiest vehicle to rack up easy kill with."
    and again you make yourself look stupid because you make a point that isn't applicable to me and it would be so easy to avoid :joy:. and even if it was its complete nonsense to argue that people can't have an opinion.  

    "Tell us legend, that 1kpm with planes is it true or not?"
    the answer is two clicks away. i would suggest you to take the time and do it, i know its much to ask considering you type all these replies lmao, but still, try it. the reward is that you can stop embarrassing yourself, at least in this regard :wink:


    Omg, i fear looking at your subpar stats, so considering you are avoiding an answer, my opinion is your best class is assault, plane stats are coming from breakthrough and you use planes for taxiing?

    Am I right?
    Can you prove your points that I am a subpar pilot, with some facts, like you being a hero pilot or something?
    Please do not embarass yourself.
    im not gonna write out to you what you can look up yourself lmao. my stats are linked directly under every post i write in this forum. two mouse clicks and you're there, judge for yourself. 
    after all we both know you took a look at them at the very start already and now just pretend to not have done so in a desperate attempt to wind yourself out. 

    as i already told you im not using planes in breakthough, can you read? also what i use most is not a question of "opinion", you can look it up easily. 

    and again you can't read. i didn't say you are subpar pilot. i said that you're for sure no top pilot if a scrub pilot like myself has so much higher kpm than you. keep repressing that fact and make yourself belive your bad excuses.
    its very telling that you resort to: "your most used class is assault therefore your opinion is invalidated". just shows that you can't defend yourself properly, unsurprisingly. maybe just don't blatantly lie all the time, just a suggestion. If you'd refrain from that you wouldn't get yourself into situations like these. 

    Yes I can read, your logic is dumb to nonexistent. Using kpm criteria reveals only your intention to stat bash, from a point of view of a player that is using vehicles by exception. And you are not a vehicle players.
    KPM is not relevant for games like CQ, where I have posted videos above, has nothing to do with vehicles in this game. Because you have attrition and you are forced to go back to ressuply station. In case of planes you ARE FORCED To go back.  TO EXIT the fights. 
    Therefore comparing my KPM in CQ to probably your KPM in BT is delusional. Aside facts above BT is a shrinked map, where planes and vehicles can resupply faster, have a funneled and shrinked map so it is easy to maintain a KPM around 1-2 aiming in front of your team to the opposite side of the map where enemy team is. No skill required. It is just like CQ in first seconds where any newb can rush a bomber into enemy home flag and have a glorious multikill.
    The difference in BT this is happening all day long, all game long, especially when top players either truce or play stacked. Which is fairly common just like was in BF1.

    Of course, you can make a little experiment using a fighter to see the time needed for resuplying rockets and going back to the action in hot spots on CQ. YOU WOULD BE AMAZED, even if you use turbo chargers the time is about 40 seconds, to the closest fights. That time is a part of your ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KPM relatio. So if you need 40 seconds with supercharger to get back into action, in your opinion how much time you need to spot a target, to view through haze, mist and foggy things. A lot more, let's say about 1 minute combined(if you are a skilled pilot)-for newbs takes a lot longer, and this time spent means actually you are out of fight, because this is a meta.

    Of course this 1 min eta is dependant to other factors like if you are not attacked by planes, aa, Maas+FF's. The best bet is if your target is spotted, but spotting works on planes now and then it is thoroughly inconsistent. 

    Like your analysis.
    ah we're changing strategies i see. before it was "kpm that is higher than 1 is not possible in conquest". now its "kpm doesnt matter in conquest". whats next "high kpm makes players worse in conquest"? I'm excited already :joy:
    so you officially taken a look at the stats now, im proud of you :wink:

    you sound like a broken record. i told you multiple times already that i don't fly in breakthrough. But its funny that you so desperately hold on to this baseless claim cause you can't accept the truth, as always. 

    40 seconds lmao. and again you just blatantly lie to make a point. on twisted steel for example you can cross the entire map in a fighter without super charger in about 20 seconds. and theres other maps of similar sizes for which the same applies. also lets not forget about mercury, on which it probably takes like 20 seconds to fly from one resupply station to the other. even on hamada theres resupply stations just besides the flags. on top of that one doesnt have to go resupply after every kill, unless you can't use your main gun against infy. Oh no, or is it possible that this applies to you, mr top-pilot? :joy:


    so in conclusion you get called out for lies and all you bring up to defend yourself is more lies, its astonishing. Now go ahead and drop some more of your amazing FACTS. it would be better to just stick to the truth for once but i doubt thats gonna happen.... :( 

    As I said you need some brain to see straight or an IQ above 2. In that Twisted Steel example you counted Going back and forth to resupply station or just spawning directly in the plane. To me you sound like a tool, blinded by hate, blinded by stats analysis of others, or coming up with conclusions like any subpar player hates others being better than them.

    If you have had half a brain I would ve expected to tell about Arras which is an exception maybe, but dear ol Dice removed the third air station resupply point overlooking Charlie and F flag, FORCING ANY PILOT TO GO BACK to their base, cause you cant go to enemy spawn unless enemy team is really bad. But I am sure you do not know that, cause you are subpar using planes, yet making general statements like your friend Nemo.

    Tell us more legend.
    on twisted steel it takes about 20 seconds to go from one spawn all the way past the last flag on the other side of the map. the only way to take 40 seconds with a boosted plane while not wasting lots of time is to go to the flag the furthest away from your spawn, shoot your rockets, and then fly all the way back into your own spawn to resupply and then return to the furthest away flag. and even that would probably take less than 40 seconds tbh. and you said it takes 40 seconds to return to the "closest fights" which is then obviously not true at all. 

    "or coming up with conclusions like any subpar player hates others being better than them". 
    ah you mean like "1 kpm isnt possible in conquest" or "you only have higher kpm because you play breakthrough" :wink:
    you really hit the nail on the head here. finally some self awareness :joy:.

    The funny thing about you saying this is that you just bash yourself even more when saying im a subpar pilot. maybe i am, i don't care, but what does that make you? complete garbage maybe?
    i mean you get no more than 9 kills at average with a g6 per full round of conquest and call yourself a "top-pilot". The irony is hilarious. I mean this scrubby subpar pilot that is me, always uses the spotting camera on the g6 and just flies over the map constantly spotting everything. and somehow i still get 4 TIMES higher kpm than you, the "top-pilot". like wtf are you doing when you are flying the g6? are you just chilling over your own spawn in fear of the enemy AA or what?

    as you already said, you will always make up a stupid excuse for your stupid claims, aka "coming up with conclusions like any subpar player hates others being better than them". For example this  is a top-pilot. "1 kpm isn't possible in conquest" blablabla :joy:. look at this guy getting more than 6.6 times more kills per minute in the g6 than our pro pilot here while almost exclusively playing conquest. better stats doesnt mean better player, but 6.6 times.... i mean come on now....
    Except they put a resupply timer on bombs and rockets, the shortest of which is 30 seconds, and you are completely ignoring that in your claims.  Yeah, sure, you can run a lap to the resupply and back in 20 seconds, but your weapons still aren't reloaded and will need at least another 20 seconds.  And guess where that puts you?  Right back at that 40 second mark.

    "But what the plane MGs?"
    https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/luciferlion/video/92662070
    Nary a scratch.
    well neither did he so (unless he meant it differently. his gibberish is often hard to understand)... i mean im just pointing out that his claims are wrong. whether or not the scenario he is describing is of any relevance doesnt impact my argument. 
    anyways, this doesnt change anything about how nonsensical his argument is. he was basically trying to aruge that you can't get more than 1 kpm because it takes 40 seconds to be able to get another kill. this is obviously not true for multiple reasons. one can fight other planes (especially when playing a fighter) which doesnt require any rockets or bombs. explosives sometimes yield multikills (astonishing i know) and your mg can still be used to kill infy. 
    im not sure what your video is supposed to show. some plane didn't kill you with its machine gun while you were in a stationary AA? yeah, and? does that mean that mgs are useless against ground targets? absolutely not... 

  • Terminator000001
    811 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    4.  Posts the most boring video ever gameplay in the history of YouTube.  Perfectly demonstrating why no sane player would want  to use the AA in the first place (it is boring to use and it’s more fun;to do something else). Question: did anyone enjoy it? 

    If everyone thinks like that, it's absolutely no wonder why planes can go in high killstreaks. Do you also easily give up on a tank sitting at the edge of the map and sniping infantry?
  • MammiBoo
    413 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    :joy: what stats bashing? im not telling you that you or your stats are bad. im pointing out that you lie about your stats or what you claimed to do in game. youre not free to just claim whatever you want about what you did just because stats bashing isnt allowed. statsbashing doesnt protect liars like you. 

    "The thing is I had many games when I joined late" lmao sure. thats why the four reports i provided (where you mostly didn't reach even close to 15 destroys) are all in perfect map rotation order and appear in your profile with time stamps that perfectly fit the round time displayed within the reports lol. but im sure you just switched after every round then wasted some time in the menus, joined a new server that is on the same map as the last server you played on is now and also happens to finish the round at pretty much exactly the same time as the last one. and you didn't do this once you did it three times in a row. multiple perfectly parallel operating servers are really something special. on top of that other players seemed to do the exact same thing as they seem to always reappear on your servers. thats really an exceptional statistical occurrence, truly outstanding :wink:.
    OR you simply played multiple rounds on one server. im sure the first scenario is a lot more convincing though. 

    oh i saw this video already, thought about bashing it in my first comment but thought it was kinda off topic so i didn't. but now that you mention it in pride yourself im gladly taking the opportunity. 
    "I prohibited airspace for enemy team, using a tool designed for that. ". you do an amazing job at that i have to say. especially within the first minute when planes are litterally flying directly over your head and you still don't kill them, often not even damage them severely. thats what i call airspace denial :joy:. or look at 02:10: that spitfire doesnt care about you at all. i mean you already have literally 0 impact on any objectives because you just shoot planes that fly over your own spawn. And that one doesnt even try to evade you or anything, he could have flown on the seaside to the spawn no problem. but he decided to just straight up fly over you and still took less than 10 damage. thats what you call prohibiting airspace? :joy: this guy even comes back and flies pretty much straight at you and still gets away with his life. not only is he not being held back from flying ANYWHERE on the map, he even flies directly at you without attacking you (which is the worst thing he could possibly do) and still gets away. in what dreamworld are you living my guy? do you seriously think you were effective? 
    so in conclusion you took down three pilots in 4 minutes that all flew directly over your head (sometimes multiple times). on top of that the first two were very inexperienced. the first pilot has a grand total of 14 kills in planes lmao. you're truly showing us how good that aa is by killing players that have pretty much no experience in a planes at all and fly like bots. 
    any decent pilot would either kill you or straight up ignore you and just continuing doing what he's doing. 

    Berg as I said your logic is heavily lacking. Val in first post was with one spec tree unlocked, german flak was with first 2 perks unlocked, if you watch final seconds i ve unlocked the third one in that video. The fact is i destroyed lots of planes with not specced maas, bombers were toasted. In the vid i destroyed Vb s you can see the czech camo and one strafing me. They came after me but i constantly moved but using cover. Or you re dead. I am not very good at maths I agree actually i have 192 kills not 190 with both maas but this is proving my point. Maa is a beast and is perfect for keeping planes at bay.
    To others that claimed that i was not against top pilots, I will say I am a top pilot, but a fact is those top pilots you will encounter in a less than one percent of the servers. So stop crying and use that.

    you simply can't stick with the topic now can you?
    i don't care about your unprecise claims like "bombers were toasted". fact is you claimed to destroy 15 planes at average, which is not true, not even close. you can make as many excuses as you wish, it won't change the facts.

    And the video just shows you missing a lot of shots and shooting down random planes that make the mistake of flying directly over your head. except for the last one not a single one "went for you". it wasn't an intense fight that you managed to get out on top of due to your epic movement strategies. you shot at planes for four minutes litterally sitting in one spot with a resupply station 10 meters away from you without any opposition you clown. you didn't kill a single plane that wasn't litterally flying directly above you. Often time planes even flew directly above you and almost didn't take any damage. i think you need to look up what "prohibiting airspace" means, cause thats not what you did at all. 

    "I will say I am a top pilot" :joy: sure you are. A top pilot without a single plane with a kpm higher than 1.(fyi: THIS was statsbashing :wink:)
    Do you even use your brain Berg? I play CQ only, in your dreams you can have 1kpm per minute. Maybe your logic gets stuck under those top leaderboards riddled with BT "pilots" and "tonkers". Maybe you can think out of the box, the fact is you are nothing but a stasbasher and a terrible one.

    You expect dominating with an unspecced tonk, without turret traverse. Nice thinking tell me more. Aside that I continued yesterday to dominate skies with those things. 
    Best player my team on Arras with 10 planes destroyed
    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/gamereport/psn/1247274903803496448?handle=ElitesT_PeasanT

    12 planes destroyed Twisted Steel
    https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/gamereport/psn/1247255389837690880?handle=ElitesT_PeasanT

    So my little experiment proves everything I ve said in OP.

    PS: I had many planes destroyed on Hamada as well, and I did encounter 220 level pilots. One of them on Narvik killed me 2 times with G2, but my team played bombers, and I was the only one against planes with a ground vehicle. The russian was skilled, high pinger, he went 23 k/d but had tough times with me. Was fun I destroyed 3 bombers and kept him busy all game long. Their team lost so even tho I went 7-4 was worth it.

    Use MAA boys it is worth it, no doubt about that.
    and? i only fly/flew in conquest as well and even i have well over 1 kpm on most planes and im not a top pilot. and its not like you're close to 1. 0.6 on the g2, 0.3 und the g6, 0.7 on the vb and 0.4 on the VA, how? honestly. do you fly circles in your spawn or what? all the actual top pilots i know have at least my kpm, mostly considerably higher, simply because they kill ground targets more reliably and win dogfights most consistently and quicker as well. 
    i mean im not here to nit-pick on stats like trying to make a point on a difference of 0.1 on some plane. but if on your top 6 planes, i (a decent but certainly not a top pilot) have anywhere from  twice all the way up to 4 times your kpm it just makes you wonder. how can a randy pilot like me get so much more kills than you, a "top pilot"?

    i don't expect that at all, im still simply calling out your lies and its amazing how you keep proving yourself wrong. claiming that you destroy 15 planes in a round at average and now you post your best games with 10 and 12 destroys. big brain plays my dude. 
    i don't care if you are good or not. however, if you claim obviously wrong things to be the truth i gonna call you out for it. 

    "So my little experiment proves everything I ve said in OP." yeah totally, especially your legitimation which is based on your amazing performance, which you lied about, as shown multiple times by now. 
    As I said you are delusional. I cant be bothered looking to your awesome pilot stats, I am fairly convinced are subparl. I have no problems, your deep analysis stats bashing proves nothing. So I came with facts you came with nothing.

    Your kpm could be 1 if you rush, fly over enemy home flag, kill a bunch of people stacked there, and die the next second in CQ.  As I know from BF1, you had tough times with planes, you cant shine on this one sry.

    You spend less than one minute to enemy home flag, have some multikills, proves nothing.

    Which I am fairly sure, it is all you can do taxiing planes and medic train and 
    I suspect, you heavily stack bombers on Breakthrough, if it is true you have 1kpm. Cq is not possible as principle if you stay in the air whole game, and do something for your team.

    If you play bombers on BT and your best class is assault, would be not good for you. Invalidates everything you said. The cheesiest mode, the easiest class and the easiest vehicle to rack up easy kill with.

    Tell us legend, that 1kpm with planes is it true or not?
    if mine are subpar (which would be fine by me) than you're are absolute noob level. youre just dissing yourself at this point. 

    "i came with facts":
    "i get 15 plane destroys a round at average". well actually not.... not even close 
    "They came after me but i constantly moved but using cover. ". actually, no! you just sit behind a rock 10 meters away from a resuplly station and nobody ever attacked you until the end. 
    "You expect dominating with an unspecced tonk, without turret traverse. Nice thinking tell me more. ". nobody every expected that from you, learn to read. 

    are these your amazing "facts"? :joy:

    "As I know from BF1, you had tough times with planes, you cant shine on this one sry" yeah very rough, as anyone can see in this video you made complaining about me not taking damage lmao. please expose me again with one of these single kill masterpieces, has been a while since you made a fan video for me :wink:

    "I suspect, you heavily stack bombers on Breakthrough, if it is true you have 1kpm.". nice FACTS. i mean you could just check it yourself by literally two clicks with your mouse, but you rather resort to assumptions and fairytale and make yourself look even most stupid. mister FACTS right there :joy:

    "Cq is not possible as principle if you stay in the air whole game, and do something for your team.". normally, a conquest round takes 20-30 minutes. do you seriously belive top pilots cant get 25-30 kills average per conquest round? :joy:. on top of that you also get shot down hence you wouldn't even have to get that many kills per round to get a 1kpm . 20 would probably be sufficient. you have 0.34 kpm on the g6. that means IF you stay up the whole round, you get an AVERAGE grand total of 9 or 10 kills per full conquest round. if you get shot down even less. do you seriously think a top pilot gets less than 10 kills a round at AVERAGE with a g6? :joy:
    as always, rather than just checking it and seeing that people do get these kind of numbers, you just say its not possible and ignore it. nice FACTS!

    "If you play bombers on BT and your best class is assault, would be not good for you. Invalidates everything you said. The cheesiest mode, the easiest class and the easiest vehicle to rack up easy kill with."
    and again you make yourself look stupid because you make a point that isn't applicable to me and it would be so easy to avoid :joy:. and even if it was its complete nonsense to argue that people can't have an opinion.  

    "Tell us legend, that 1kpm with planes is it true or not?"
    the answer is two clicks away. i would suggest you to take the time and do it, i know its much to ask considering you type all these replies lmao, but still, try it. the reward is that you can stop embarrassing yourself, at least in this regard :wink:


    Omg, i fear looking at your subpar stats, so considering you are avoiding an answer, my opinion is your best class is assault, plane stats are coming from breakthrough and you use planes for taxiing?

    Am I right?
    Can you prove your points that I am a subpar pilot, with some facts, like you being a hero pilot or something?
    Please do not embarass yourself.
    im not gonna write out to you what you can look up yourself lmao. my stats are linked directly under every post i write in this forum. two mouse clicks and you're there, judge for yourself. 
    after all we both know you took a look at them at the very start already and now just pretend to not have done so in a desperate attempt to wind yourself out. 

    as i already told you im not using planes in breakthough, can you read? also what i use most is not a question of "opinion", you can look it up easily. 

    and again you can't read. i didn't say you are subpar pilot. i said that you're for sure no top pilot if a scrub pilot like myself has so much higher kpm than you. keep repressing that fact and make yourself belive your bad excuses.
    its very telling that you resort to: "your most used class is assault therefore your opinion is invalidated". just shows that you can't defend yourself properly, unsurprisingly. maybe just don't blatantly lie all the time, just a suggestion. If you'd refrain from that you wouldn't get yourself into situations like these. 

    Yes I can read, your logic is dumb to nonexistent. Using kpm criteria reveals only your intention to stat bash, from a point of view of a player that is using vehicles by exception. And you are not a vehicle players.
    KPM is not relevant for games like CQ, where I have posted videos above, has nothing to do with vehicles in this game. Because you have attrition and you are forced to go back to ressuply station. In case of planes you ARE FORCED To go back.  TO EXIT the fights. 
    Therefore comparing my KPM in CQ to probably your KPM in BT is delusional. Aside facts above BT is a shrinked map, where planes and vehicles can resupply faster, have a funneled and shrinked map so it is easy to maintain a KPM around 1-2 aiming in front of your team to the opposite side of the map where enemy team is. No skill required. It is just like CQ in first seconds where any newb can rush a bomber into enemy home flag and have a glorious multikill.
    The difference in BT this is happening all day long, all game long, especially when top players either truce or play stacked. Which is fairly common just like was in BF1.

    Of course, you can make a little experiment using a fighter to see the time needed for resuplying rockets and going back to the action in hot spots on CQ. YOU WOULD BE AMAZED, even if you use turbo chargers the time is about 40 seconds, to the closest fights. That time is a part of your ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KPM relatio. So if you need 40 seconds with supercharger to get back into action, in your opinion how much time you need to spot a target, to view through haze, mist and foggy things. A lot more, let's say about 1 minute combined(if you are a skilled pilot)-for newbs takes a lot longer, and this time spent means actually you are out of fight, because this is a meta.

    Of course this 1 min eta is dependant to other factors like if you are not attacked by planes, aa, Maas+FF's. The best bet is if your target is spotted, but spotting works on planes now and then it is thoroughly inconsistent. 

    Like your analysis.
    ah we're changing strategies i see. before it was "kpm that is higher than 1 is not possible in conquest". now its "kpm doesnt matter in conquest". whats next "high kpm makes players worse in conquest"? I'm excited already :joy:
    so you officially taken a look at the stats now, im proud of you :wink:

    you sound like a broken record. i told you multiple times already that i don't fly in breakthrough. But its funny that you so desperately hold on to this baseless claim cause you can't accept the truth, as always. 

    40 seconds lmao. and again you just blatantly lie to make a point. on twisted steel for example you can cross the entire map in a fighter without super charger in about 20 seconds. and theres other maps of similar sizes for which the same applies. also lets not forget about mercury, on which it probably takes like 20 seconds to fly from one resupply station to the other. even on hamada theres resupply stations just besides the flags. on top of that one doesnt have to go resupply after every kill, unless you can't use your main gun against infy. Oh no, or is it possible that this applies to you, mr top-pilot? :joy:


    so in conclusion you get called out for lies and all you bring up to defend yourself is more lies, its astonishing. Now go ahead and drop some more of your amazing FACTS. it would be better to just stick to the truth for once but i doubt thats gonna happen.... :( 

    As I said you need some brain to see straight or an IQ above 2. In that Twisted Steel example you counted Going back and forth to resupply station or just spawning directly in the plane. To me you sound like a tool, blinded by hate, blinded by stats analysis of others, or coming up with conclusions like any subpar player hates others being better than them.

    If you have had half a brain I would ve expected to tell about Arras which is an exception maybe, but dear ol Dice removed the third air station resupply point overlooking Charlie and F flag, FORCING ANY PILOT TO GO BACK to their base, cause you cant go to enemy spawn unless enemy team is really bad. But I am sure you do not know that, cause you are subpar using planes, yet making general statements like your friend Nemo.

    Tell us more legend.
    on twisted steel it takes about 20 seconds to go from one spawn all the way past the last flag on the other side of the map. the only way to take 40 seconds with a boosted plane while not wasting lots of time is to go to the flag the furthest away from your spawn, shoot your rockets, and then fly all the way back into your own spawn to resupply and then return to the furthest away flag. and even that would probably take less than 40 seconds tbh. and you said it takes 40 seconds to return to the "closest fights" which is then obviously not true at all. 

    "or coming up with conclusions like any subpar player hates others being better than them". 
    ah you mean like "1 kpm isnt possible in conquest" or "you only have higher kpm because you play breakthrough" :wink:
    you really hit the nail on the head here. finally some self awareness :joy:.

    The funny thing about you saying this is that you just bash yourself even more when saying im a subpar pilot. maybe i am, i don't care, but what does that make you? complete garbage maybe?
    i mean you get no more than 9 kills at average with a g6 per full round of conquest and call yourself a "top-pilot". The irony is hilarious. I mean this scrubby subpar pilot that is me, always uses the spotting camera on the g6 and just flies over the map constantly spotting everything. and somehow i still get 4 TIMES higher kpm than you, the "top-pilot". like wtf are you doing when you are flying the g6? are you just chilling over your own spawn in fear of the enemy AA or what?

    as you already said, you will always make up a stupid excuse for your stupid claims, aka "coming up with conclusions like any subpar player hates others being better than them". For example this  is a top-pilot. "1 kpm isn't possible in conquest" blablabla :joy:. look at this guy getting more than 6.6 times more kills per minute in the g6 than our pro pilot here while almost exclusively playing conquest. better stats doesnt mean better player, but 6.6 times.... i mean come on now....
    Except they put a resupply timer on bombs and rockets, the shortest of which is 30 seconds, and you are completely ignoring that in your claims.  Yeah, sure, you can run a lap to the resupply and back in 20 seconds, but your weapons still aren't reloaded and will need at least another 20 seconds.  And guess where that puts you?  Right back at that 40 second mark.

    "But what the plane MGs?"
    https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/luciferlion/video/92662070
    Nary a scratch.
    Good point I missed that. And to all of it, we should consider and add , for ground attack you need to go high mean sea level / mean ground  level basically adding to the timer itself.
    CQ speaking the shortest resupply time+climbing+weapons timer is on Mercury, where in 40 seconds IF enemy planes are not attacking you(3 planes on a small map each side)+aa not attacking you, you can strafe C flag, for easy kills. But this map has really a bad design in CQ.

    Also as a pilot last time I've checked, you can't cap flags in this game unless you re Captain Picard and teleport from plane ressuply station to flags.


  • olavafar
    2237 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Hilarious thread.  

    Here is the summary for the TLDR generation.

    1. OP wants to prove that airplanes have decent counters to make himself feel better about his own piloting in breakthough; farming all the time. 

    2. Puts up a scoreboard as ‘facts’ and embellishes with a load of lies. 

    3. Gets called out for lies. 

    4.  Posts the most boring video ever gameplay in the history of YouTube.  Perfectly demonstrating why no sane player would want  to use the AA in the first place (it is boring to use and it’s more fun;to do something else). Question: did anyone enjoy it? 

    5.  It’s pointed out that he is not even any good as a pilot with actual facts.  

    6. Thread over.  

    Questions: 

    how many pilots have over >10000 kills?
    How many MAA drivers have over 10000 kills?
    why is that?   

    Last part: (as I said before, OPs personal stats is of no interest to me):
    I play both MAA and I fly and my KPM is about the same in these. I would say I'm fairly average player in both. When it comes to > 10000 as pilot vs >10000 in MAA the comparison is unfair. One would have to compare pilots with tankers and not just one of the tanks. Further as one cannot really compare the numbers generally as there are a lot of problems with such a comparison involving, for example, long periods when the MAA was useless which boost pilots scores as well as almost nullify the MAA scores but we are discussing the present situation, not the past here (at least I do).
  • WetFishDB
    2284 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    4.  Posts the most boring video ever gameplay in the history of YouTube.  Perfectly demonstrating why no sane player would want  to use the AA in the first place (it is boring to use and it’s more fun;to do something else). Question: did anyone enjoy it? 

    If everyone thinks like that, it's absolutely no wonder why planes can go in high killstreaks. Do you also easily give up on a tank sitting at the edge of the map and sniping infantry?
    If they aren't doing much to interfere with the game, maybe.  Rather them than a tank who's actually doing something useful. 

    And if they are actually being a real pain, any one of the infantry on the server with the right loadout can flank and take them out in a second or two.  The same cannot be said for planes. 
  • Celsi_GER
    521 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited April 9
    4.  Posts the most boring video ever gameplay in the history of YouTube.  Perfectly demonstrating why no sane player would want  to use the AA in the first place (it is boring to use and it’s more fun;to do something else). Question: did anyone enjoy it? 

    If everyone thinks like that, it's absolutely no wonder why planes can go in high killstreaks. Do you also easily give up on a tank sitting at the edge of the map and sniping infantry?

    Now you have got it. 98% do think this way, because Greeny is absolutely right.
    AA is not rewarding, it's boring, it generates low score and makes you vulnerable to planes, enemy infantry and snipers. While flying a bomber is the exact opposite.
    So it's completely natural that most players do not use AA. And that is a flaw of the game which needs to be corrected.


  • Celsi_GER
    521 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited April 9
    You are so afraid that your pretty planes get nerfed (or AA get's improved) so that you are not open for reality and logic anymore.
    And you do read what you want to read - and not what I have written.

    The behaviour of 98% of the players regarding AA: I do not say that avoiding AA is smart. I do not say that they do not deserve to be farmed.
    What I say is: That is what they do, smart or not. That is reality right now.
    And if the game makes an overwhelming mayority of the players do the wrong things, something is wrong with the game, not with the players.

    Example for the "it is not rewarding" theory: when Fliegerfaust was first introduced, it was possible to one-hit-kill an uncautious plane. THIS was rewarding. Many people used FF these times. Then the flyboys started to cry about their precious K/D, stupid EA/Dice nerfed the FF and now we are where we are.
  • Terminator000001
    811 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Celsi_GER wrote: »
    You are so afraid that your pretty planes get nerfed (or AA get's improved) so that you are not open for reality and logic anymore.
    And you do read what you want to read - and not what I have written.

    The behaviour of 98% of the players regarding AA: I do not say that avoiding AA is smart. I do not say that they do not deserve to be farmed.
    What I say is: That is what they do, smart or not. That is reality right now.
    And if the game makes an overwhelming mayority of the players do the wrong things, something is wrong with the game, not with the players.

    Example for the "it is not rewarding" theory: when Fliegerfaust was first introduced, it was possible to one-hit-kill an uncautious plane. THIS was rewarding. Many people used FF these times. Then the flyboys started to cry about their precious K/D, stupid EA/Dice nerfed the FF and now we are where we are.

    You seem to ignore that I exclusively fly fighter planes and not bombers. I stopped playing them like 3 months after release because how stupidly easy is to farm kills with that. I'm one of the very last ones who call the AA overpowered. I check how strong it is or how good the guy sitting there is and adapt to the situation. THAT'S something that 98% of the players aren't able to do.

    The Fliegerfaust in the first state was just a cheap way to make people shut up. You were getting drowned in an instant without warning and flying was almost impossible if one full squad had it equipped. But even how it was back there I didn't complain, because I still adapted to the situation.
    (Quote)


    Nope. This shows your total ignorance. No-one HAS to do the dirty work. People CHOOSE to do other things instead, because it is less rewarding and FUN than sitting in a vehicle pointing at the sky for very little reward.

    I don't DESERVE to get farmed, getting farmed is still MORE FUN than sitting in vehicle behind two rocks and pointing permanently at the sky. The imbalance in teh game is laughable.

    You should actually read your nonsense again......what you wrote is utter tripe. Someone HAS to do the dirty work. Lol - Don't make me laugh......

    DICE could CHOOSE to fix the obvious balance problem. Doesn't mean they HAVE to. See the difference?

    Of course. If no one bothers to stop the farming and everyone thinks that someone else should do it, then the farming will never end.

    "I want that stupid plane gone, but I don't want to change my playstyle for that, because that's not fun that I'm not in the middle of the action with my 1337 Action Hero Man Assault. Someone else should do."
    You see how stupid your logic sounds? Who's the actual ignorant here?


    If you would actually use the AA tools in a smart way and get some practice with them, you'd be surprised how effective they are. I see that all the time when someone is sitting in there who knows what he's doing.
    When I'm playing infantry and some idiot in a bomber is getting on my nerves, I get in an AA and shoot him down. And if he thinks he needs to do high altitude bombing, then I get in a plane myself and harass and making fun of him, until he ragequits. I made this already to dozens of wannabe pilot tryhards.

    I was in the very same situation like you in BF3 when I couldn’t fly. But instead of complaining, I actually did something to stop getting farmed. That's more than you ever did probably so far to not getting farmed anymore.
  • StealthAria
    576 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Like it or not, but someone HAS to do the dirty work. Also I don't see how it's not rewarding to take down a plane that is farming you. If your only motivation are kills and a high amount of points, you should think about why do you even play video games. A slot machine would be probably better for you then with it's bling-bling and high score.

    You should actually read your nonsense again. If you and everyone in your team thinks someone else should do it, then you just deserve it that you get farmed. That's the hard reality here.

    Nope. This shows your total ignorance. No-one HAS to do the dirty work. People CHOOSE to do other things instead, because it is less rewarding and FUN than sitting in a vehicle pointing at the sky for very little reward. I don't DESERVE to get farmed, getting farmed is still MORE FUN than sitting in vehicle behind two rocks and pointing permanently at the sky. The imbalance in teh game is laughable. You should actually read your nonsense again......what you wrote is utter tripe. Someone HAS to do the dirty work. Lol - Don't make me laugh...... DICE could CHOOSE to fix the obvious balance problem. Doesn't mean they HAVE to. See the difference?
    They come on here and whine without ever even trying to use the features they want buffed, if they're going to complain and beg for a buff to AA, they do need to use it.  All the buffs in the world won't fix the AA if no one uses it, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take and all that.
    Let's say they granted infantry's wet dream and made every gun one-shot all planes, it wouldn't make one lick of difference because they still can't be bothered  to spare a moment to look up.
  • Celsi_GER
    521 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited April 9
    (Quote)
    They come on here and whine without ever even trying to use the features they want buffed, if they're going to complain and beg for a buff to AA, they do need to use it.  All the buffs in the world won't fix the AA if no one uses it, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take and all that.
    Let's say they granted infantry's wet dream and made every gun one-shot all planes, it wouldn't make one lick of difference because they still can't be bothered  to spare a moment to look up.

    Stupid comment.
    When Fliegerfaust still had bite, the situation was okay and balanced.
    Which proves your whole comment to be polemic BS.
  • Terminator000001
    811 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Celsi_GER wrote: »
    (Quote)
    They come on here and whine without ever even trying to use the features they want buffed, if they're going to complain and beg for a buff to AA, they do need to use it.  All the buffs in the world won't fix the AA if no one uses it, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take and all that.
    Let's say they granted infantry's wet dream and made every gun one-shot all planes, it wouldn't make one lick of difference because they still can't be bothered  to spare a moment to look up.

    Stupid comment.
    When Fliegerfaust still had bite, the situation was okay and balanced.
    Which proves your whole comment to be polemic BS.

    It has, it just requires two people now.
  • EA_Rtas
    520 postsMember, EA Staff, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, EA Moderator, Battlefield V
    Okay I'm going to close this thread off, it's become thinly veiled stat bashing and arguing very fast.
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