Bu bu but guise, live service games are the future, Premium sucks!!1!1

13»

Comments

  • Red_Label_Scotch
    1586 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    SQHDP said:
    The problem isn't the premium pass, the problem is the lazy developer team. GTAV never had a premium pass and still gets content even 6 years after it's release. Service games like Destiny have proved that this way is better than any other.
    So the problem is EA/DICE, who understimated their public
    The major problem here:

    GTAV sold 120 million copies.
    Battlefield V sold 7 million copies.
  • bran1986
    5913 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Also the big difference is GTA Online isn't getting a sequel every two years. You cannot do a live service if you are going to keep pumping out game after game on a two year cycle. By the time one Battlefield is nearing completion, they are already starting pre production on the next one. Then you are trying to pump out content for the current game, build a new one, and up to this point work on Battlefront 2. Now DICE-Sweden doesn't have the luxury of dumping the game off to DICE LA to pump out 12-16 new maps and new guns, vehicles, factions etc. 
  • ScUTaRO1
    81 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    SQHDP said:
    The problem isn't the premium pass, the problem is the lazy developer team. GTAV never had a premium pass and still gets content even 6 years after it's release. Service games like Destiny have proved that this way is better than any other.
    So the problem is EA/DICE, who understimated their public
    You've explaned the situation very well.  
  • ScUTaRO1
    81 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member

  • ninjapenquinuk
    2249 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Let's not condemn live service in general, as there are other developers that actually care about the customer and offer great support. Take Call of Duty for example, their live service is actually working well for Modern Warfare. However! It may not be a fair comparison because their "battle pass" has been more lucrative that DICE's microtransactions, so Activision has more incentive to invest in a live service. If DICE made a good product in BFV right off the bat and more people bought the game and purchased microtransactions, I guarantee DICE wouldn't have halted development this early. 

    This is probably the reality for the "live service" model. The content we as a consumer will get for "free" depends heavily on how willing we were to purchase microtransactions, if we as a consumer refuse to purchase microtransactions, then we will likely face the result of a limited live service like BFV. So in reality, live service is really no different than premium. If you want content, you're still going to have to purchase something(s) or the developers will not bother with new content. 
    COD is a yearly offering so a lot easier to produce content for what, 12months max. I assume they don't continue after. With that in mind, they also know they will get another £50 from the majority of players for the next title, where as BF has been a biannual release so needs more content and no £50 half way through. Plus COD just looks a reskin yr on yr so can't cost anywhere near as much to produce in time and money.
  • SQHDP
    76 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    SQHDP said:
    The problem isn't the premium pass, the problem is the lazy developer team. GTAV never had a premium pass and still gets content even 6 years after it's release. Service games like Destiny have proved that this way is better than any other.
    So the problem is EA/DICE, who understimated their public
    The major problem here:

    GTAV sold 120 million copies.
    Battlefield V sold 7 million copies.
    Exactly, because it's a bad game. Not because of the premium pass
  • Trokey66
    9163 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    SQHDP wrote: »
    (Quote)
    Exactly, because it's a bad game. Not because of the premium pass

    BF1, which is often touted as one of the best Battlefield games only sold around 15 million copies I believe.

    BF1 had Premium/paid DLC.

    Take from that what you will.
  • losthunter340
    122 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    SQHDP said:
    SQHDP said:
    The problem isn't the premium pass, the problem is the lazy developer team. GTAV never had a premium pass and still gets content even 6 years after it's release. Service games like Destiny have proved that this way is better than any other.
    So the problem is EA/DICE, who understimated their public
    The major problem here:

    GTAV sold 120 million copies.
    Battlefield V sold 7 million copies.
    Exactly, because it's a bad game. Not because of the premium pass

    Battlefield 3 sold 8 millions and Battlefield 4 sold 7 millions, those are BF games ppl use to love but becuse it sold 7-8 millions they are bad games? Thats what you are applying.

    BF 1 sold 15 million and imo I did not like it but I know alot of my friends did.

  • GRAW2ROBZ
    2641 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Sales don't mean much.  Yeah looks like more sales each new year. But factor in probably new gamer's each year with little kids joining each year.  As for GTA5.  Well they double dipped from last gen and this gen.  Also people that only buy certain genre probably still got GTA5 even if it's not for them.
  • spychodelics
    450 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    edited April 2020
    Imagine having a paid WW2 DLC for BF1 while keeping the good old BF formula. I would have certainly bought it. 

    BFV was part of the Origin Premiere Package, so i assume we dont really know how much copies were "sold". 
    I bought  1 Month Premiere to start from the first day. The alpha and the beta phase of BFV was great. 
    Seeing that the released fullversion of bfv was as bugged as the beta shoked me a bit, but when it was 50% off (4 weeks after release?)i bought it, with hope, it would get better. 
    We all know what followed after that...

    I blame every publisher trying to monetize with mtx and hoping for a bigger audience. EA hoped to get the young people with BR, "building stuff" and Cosmetics. While Bethesda thought it would be a good thing to give the Quake Champions special abilities. Both failed hard imo. 

    I also blame DICE for making such strong changes to the weapon balance, ensuring us it wouldnt happen again and then changing it again...
  • iwashighwayman
    159 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    RIP BFV, it got what it deserved, and those who wanted live service have hopefully learned a valuable lesson.

    Hey i bought game for like 20bucks, got all content, "it just works" :D
  • Dogwoggle11
    2678 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    RIP BFV, it got what it deserved, and those who wanted live service have hopefully learned a valuable lesson.

    Hey i bought game for like 20bucks, got all content, "it just works" :D

    Sixteen times the detail
  • Man_ILoveFishing
    406 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    GRAW2ROBZ said:
    Sales don't mean much.  Yeah looks like more sales each new year. But factor in probably new gamer's each year with little kids joining each year.  As for GTA5.  Well they double dipped from last gen and this gen.  Also people that only buy certain genre probably still got GTA5 even if it's not for them.
    Not to mention, gta5 has modding option and well, fivem that boosted gta5 margins a lot cause of role-plays. Called, to be free.
  • dandop_oq7r7ppf
    313 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    RIP BFV, it got what it deserved, and those who wanted live service have hopefully learned a valuable lesson.

    Let me guess. You eat One bad Steak, you then condemn all steaks.

    Seriously man, live services have worked, and are currently working out great for many games.
    BFV failed at it in many ways, but that doesn’t mean that a live service model can’t be good.

    I already said before that it can absolutely work for other studios and other games. But not here.

    If DICE tries to repeat the same formula with BF6, it will without a doubt fail again (I mean, abandoning BFV is probably going to make BF6 underperform in sales anyway), and EA will make sure to introduce DICE to other studios... like Visceral Games.

    Battlefront 2 proves Dice can do a good job on a live service, yes Battlefront 2 got off to a bad start, but they turned that game around, and support lasted for over 2 years.

    Now the battlefront 2 team is confirmed to be working on BF6. Almost the whole studio is.

    The problem with BFV wasn’t the live service, it was the short development cycle.
    When the game released they where behind schedule on the DLC, and they didn’t even start production on the Pacific maps until March of 2019.
    Even if they offered premium, that content would of been delayed, buggy, and underwhelming.


    Now with the entire team committed to BF6, and being another 1.5 years away , they already seem to be doing the opposite of BFVs development cycle, and with there biggest competition being Call of Duty, and how successful Modern Warfare has been, as well as it’s Live service so far, it seems very likly Dice is going all out on BF6.





  • ZumbiSnatch
    2688 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    GTAV content is laughable and with how much each new vehicle, map or weapon costs you are wasting 100hrs grinding to get it right about the time that new content drops which will cost more. It’s actively encouraging buying shark cards by locking it away behind grinds that no casual gamer will be able to achieve in a reasonable time. Content makes them money hence why they keeping developing. Live service in BFV is not very lucrative and being fed the line of “skins fund content” is bull to get you to buy it for the greater good when really it’s just getting pocketed by EA. New content is already developed in the files found in the game hence why the gaming faithful are able to uncover it, all they do is polish the **** and ship to back to the players. Live service is garbage simple as that.
  • GRAW2ROBZ
    2641 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    V2Face said:
    GTAV content is laughable and with how much each new vehicle, map or weapon costs you are wasting 100hrs grinding to get it right about the time that new content drops which will cost more. It’s actively encouraging buying shark cards by locking it away behind grinds that no casual gamer will be able to achieve in a reasonable time. Content makes them money hence why they keeping developing. Live service in BFV is not very lucrative and being fed the line of “skins fund content” is bull to get you to buy it for the greater good when really it’s just getting pocketed by EA. New content is already developed in the files found in the game hence why the gaming faithful are able to uncover it, all they do is polish the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and ship to back to the players. Live service is garbage simple as that.

    Casino helps to get money.  But still a risk to lose money.
  • ZumbiSnatch
    2688 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    GRAW2ROBZ wrote: »
    (Quote)
    Casino helps to get money.  But still a risk to lose money.

    The house always wins. One winner brings 100 more suckers.
  • Dogwoggle11
    2678 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    RIP BFV, it got what it deserved, and those who wanted live service have hopefully learned a valuable lesson.

    Let me guess. You eat One bad Steak, you then condemn all steaks.

    Seriously man, live services have worked, and are currently working out great for many games.
    BFV failed at it in many ways, but that doesn’t mean that a live service model can’t be good.

    I already said before that it can absolutely work for other studios and other games. But not here.

    If DICE tries to repeat the same formula with BF6, it will without a doubt fail again (I mean, abandoning BFV is probably going to make BF6 underperform in sales anyway), and EA will make sure to introduce DICE to other studios... like Visceral Games.

    Battlefront 2 proves Dice can do a good job on a live service, yes Battlefront 2 got off to a bad start, but they turned that game around, and support lasted for over 2 years.

    Now the battlefront 2 team is confirmed to be working on BF6. Almost the whole studio is.

    The problem with BFV wasn’t the live service, it was the short development cycle.
    When the game released they where behind schedule on the DLC, and they didn’t even start production on the Pacific maps until March of 2019.
    Even if they offered premium, that content would of been delayed, buggy, and underwhelming.


    Now with the entire team committed to BF6, and being another 1.5 years away , they already seem to be doing the opposite of BFVs development cycle, and with there biggest competition being Call of Duty, and how successful Modern Warfare has been, as well as it’s Live service so far, it seems very likly Dice is going all out on BF6.





    Yes, they are going all out on BF6. Which is going to be catastrophic for DICE when it tanks just like BFV.

    The same morons who made all the wrong decisions on BFV are working on BF6 - these "live-service experts" who abandoned the game because they kept **** up update after update.

    And let's be honest, the Call of Duty devs don't even see Battlefield as competition anymore, because they make games that are infinitely more successful, even if I don't like them personally that's the truth.

    I expect DICE to be merged with Respawn after BF6, which will be the last Battlefield game for years to come. Players and devs alike have lost interest, thanks to stupid management inside DICE and EA.
  • CHAMMOND1992
    1411 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Trokey66 said:
    SQHDP wrote: »
    (Quote)
    Exactly, because it's a bad game. Not because of the premium pass

    BF1, which is often touted as one of the best Battlefield games only sold around 15 million copies I believe.

    BF1 had Premium/paid DLC.

    Take from that what you will.
    I'll take that COD bombed that year and BF1 had a decent marketing campaign.
Sign In or Register to comment.