After the outcome of BFV what is your opinions on the future of the franchise?

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  • DingoKillr
    4348 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    BF3/BF4 only had media reviews and a few testers. BFH was marketing failure.
    BF1/BFV have been different they are games with in strong Social Media influence.

    For me only 2 things I did not like about BF1 at launch was no Singapore servers and no naval combat.

    Elites/cavalry where fine they did their role. Which was to fill the gap between tanks and infantry.
    Behemoth did their job in keeping people playing in a round even on a losing team, unlike the junk setup of squad call-in in BFV. Come off explosive spam and RBD, there more explosive spam and less skill gunplay in BFV. Look at those that complained about BF1 Elites, RBD, Behemoth and explosive spam what their reason are.

    Come on some have complained about BFV from the start but it still felt more complained about BF1 at launch. Yet we got a bunch of streamers saying how great BF1 was then what should be done for BFV. A year later the band wagon jumpers are now saying how bad BFV and now making tweets and video on how the next BF should be made, after reading some of them it going to be the third cycle of the same.

    For god sake BF3 aircraft with BFV gunplay, these guys the complained about Behemoth and Elites.
  • Trokey66
    9102 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    You can't please all the people, all the time!

    It is true to say that previous games received a lot of 'hate' from launch and some still complain today.

    The big difference with BFV though is that 'hate' is still ongoing seemly unabated, at the end of its cycle.

    Indeed, it could be argued that this BFV 'hate' has increased. For example, from the beginning and conscious of BF4's launch etc, I gave BFV a lot of 'benefit of the doubt'. Alas though, I feel that benefit of the doubt was misplaced in many cases.

    I know I am not the only person who feels this way......
  • ninjapenquinuk
    2247 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    I also gave BFV the benefit of the doubt and trusted DICE to eventually come good. I mean for me the game has never been terrible, just not what I hoped. But devs wasted so much obviously precious  time on resources on two TTK changes which they had to change again, instead of making much more important changes and tweaks. For me on PS4 the games performance has got worse since release rather than better.
  • GRAW2ROBZ
    2635 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Loqtrall said:
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    I loved Hardline.  It wasn't buggy on release day like BF3 or BF4.  Also good bullet damage and people dropped right away.  Not lame bullet sponges like BF3,BF4.  Also Hardline had some really interesting game modes.  Hardline was just released at a bad time.  GTA5 was ported to this gen around that time of Hardline.  Most people didn't have money for GTA5 cause they bought Hardline so use that as a trade in.  Seemed EA wanted to kill off Hardline just like Warfighter.
  • spartanx169x
    876 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    GRAW2ROBZ said:
    Loqtrall said:
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    I loved Hardline.  It wasn't buggy on release day like BF3 or BF4.  Also good bullet damage and people dropped right away.  Not lame bullet sponges like BF3,BF4.  Also Hardline had some really interesting game modes.  Hardline was just released at a bad time.  GTA5 was ported to this gen around that time of Hardline.  Most people didn't have money for GTA5 cause they bought Hardline so use that as a trade in.  Seemed EA wanted to kill off Hardline just like Warfighter.

    Hardline was a great game that suffered from poor timing of release.  In my opinion, it released to close to BF4, and people were still raw about BF4's release. Bloodmoney is still one of the best gamemodes to ever be created for a BF game. 
  • Mishkin37
    833 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.
  • Trokey66
    9102 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.

    This will only be true if BFV is remembered as fondly as BF3, 4 or 1 once BF6 has been out for a few months.
  • Mishkin37
    833 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    Trokey66 wrote: »
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.

    This will only be true if BFV is remembered as fondly as BF3, 4 or 1 once BF6 has been out for a few months.

    But I think that’s the point. If history repeats itself, BFV will be remembered fondly, somehow.

    BF3, BF4 & BF1 were not remembered fondly during their time by the majority of this community.
  • Trokey66
    9102 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Trokey66 wrote: »
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.

    This will only be true if BFV is remembered as fondly as BF3, 4 or 1 once BF6 has been out for a few months.

    But I think that’s the point. If history repeats itself, BFV will be remembered fondly, somehow.

    BF3, BF4 & BF1 were not remembered fondly during their time by the majority of this community.

    The current game is always compared to previous games.....

    When released when each game was released, they were compared to previous games and criticised initially but one the whole, the general criticism reduced as games were patched.

    This does not seem to have happened with BFV if the forums are anything to go by.

    SirBobdk wrote: »
    (Quote)
    They could make a BF6 which is worse. ;)
    Nothing is impossible for Dice. :D
    In that case, BFV may end up being remembered as a good game.
    But I can't imagine the majority would think it was better than BF3 / 4/1

    Possible, but I suspect that comparison will be dripping with sarcasm and irony.

    "By the God's, this game is worse than BFV, who would have thought THAT possible! "
  • TropicPoison
    2505 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Trokey66 wrote: »
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.
    Mishkin37 wrote: »
    Loqtrall wrote: »
    bigiain wrote: »
    (Quote)
    That's what generally happens, but it feels like there's a lot more active dislike for this game. Hardline was ignored and a lot of people were indifferent to BF1 after a few months, players generally loved the older games.

     This game sold badly, that's what needs turned round, not just opinions. It's not like it looks likely to end on a high either, there are still some huge ongoing problems with this game that are going to damp down the hype about the next one.

    BF3 launched with a lack of content and a myriad of technical issues and was lambasted the entire first year of its life.

    BF4 launched in objectively the worst state a BF game has ever been in and didn't get fully fixed for nearly 2 entire years and people claimed it'd be the death of the franchise.

    Hardline was a complete flop that lost the majority of its active Playerbase before even receiving its first premium dlc, nowadays hardly anybody even mentions it as a BF title.

    BF1 has probably the least technical issues in recent memory, but was a setting very few asked for or desired, didn't get dlc for the first 6 months of its lifespan, lost nearly 40% of its daily active player numbers just 3 months after launch, and had several facets of the game (rbd gunplay, explosive spam, Elite kits, behemoths, etc) incessantly criticized by the community and changed multiple times.

    That's not to mention the Bad Company games and the franchise's shift to regular console releases, and how at the time the entire Refractor-engine era community was calling those games console garbage (especially BC1) and refused to move on from BF2/2142.

    BF's entire history is filled with hate and criticism from the community - with most only expressing love for a game after it received 1+ years of patching and additions, and even then there are some BF titles that didn't recover that way, as well as plenty that still feel those other games are trash well after being fixed and added on to.

    It's the way this community is and has been for the past near 10 years, and I've brought it up literally every single time a BF title is released and it happens over, and over, and over again.

    Good post.

    The difference between this post and most of the others in this forum is that this one is objective. These are facts.

    Every BF title has been trashed and declared “the end of the franchise.”

    Yet when we move to the next installment, the previous “piece of garbage” is somehow remembered fondly.

    This will only be true if BFV is remembered as fondly as BF3, 4 or 1 once BF6 has been out for a few months.

    But I think that’s the point. If history repeats itself, BFV will be remembered fondly, somehow.

    BF3, BF4 & BF1 were not remembered fondly during their time by the majority of this community.

    At the moment there's not really any positives about BFV that I can personally think of, they crushed my hopes of an actual GOOD WWII Battlefield remake and failed miserably, the next Battlefield release I'll just say it sucks as bad as BFV if it is bad which there is a high possibility it will be considering it will be the same people.
  • TropicPoison
    2505 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited May 8


    This guy GetGoodGuy makes some good points also talks about the player fall off, there's plenty of people that don't comment on the forums that apparently feel the same burn and disappointment of BFV just look at the comments.

    I have my doubts BF6 will be good considering it will be the same people behind BFV.



    Even the DICE shills agree BF1 is better than BFV sad.
  • spartanx169x
    876 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
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    This guy GetGoodGuy makes some good points also talks about the player fall off, there's plenty of people that don't comment on the forums that apparently feel the same burn and disappointment of BFV just look at the comments.

    I have my doubts BF6 will be good considering it will be the same people behind BFV.

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    Even the DICE shills agree BF1 is better than BFV sad.

    GGG makes some good points, but he never points out the obvious. The obvious being that the game from its inception was OBVIOUSLY created by inexperienced people which include  A FORMER PRO GAMER who had  NO ,ZERO, NADA EXPERIENCE IN MAKING A GAME.   And of course the shills just go with whatever way the wind is blowing. 6 months ago(or whatever) they were praising the game.  What the shills have learned is that they get more views for BF1 content even now than they do for BFV, so now they are catering to them.
  • TropicPoison
    2505 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
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    GGG makes some good points, but he never points out the obvious. The obvious being that the game from its inception was OBVIOUSLY created by inexperienced people which include  A FORMER PRO GAMER who had  NO ,ZERO, NADA EXPERIENCE IN MAKING A GAME.   And of course the shills just go with whatever way the wind is blowing. 6 months ago(or whatever) they were praising the game.  What the shills have learned is that they get more views for BF1 content even now than they do for BFV, so now they are catering to them.

    Well seeing how everyone is mostly crapping all over BFV hopefully the next one will be nothing like it, I was hoping for BFV to be a reskinned BF1 pretty much and I got the opposite.

    I agree with them bringing in 'pro gamers' thinking whatever they thought would be what the majority of players play like which is a no.
  • OskooI_007
    1310 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    edited May 8
    Only 2,000 BFV players on Xbox worldwide? Wow.
  • DingoKillr
    4348 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    This guy GetGoodGuy makes some good points also talks about the player fall off, there's plenty of people that don't comment on the forums that apparently feel the same burn and disappointment of BFV just look at the comments.

    I have my doubts BF6 will be good considering it will be the same people behind BFV.

    Even the DICE shills agree BF1 is better than BFV sad.

    Considering how much some of the shills dumped on BF1 saying we don't need these thing in BFV. Now turn around say how much better BF4 or BF1 is.

    To say BFV was not fun, kind simple when you ask to make BF competitive focus.
  • TropicPoison
    2505 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited May 8
    DingoKillr wrote: »
    This guy GetGoodGuy makes some good points also talks about the player fall off, there's plenty of people that don't comment on the forums that apparently feel the same burn and disappointment of BFV just look at the comments.

    I have my doubts BF6 will be good considering it will be the same people behind BFV.

    Even the DICE shills agree BF1 is better than BFV sad.

    Considering how much some of the shills dumped on BF1 saying we don't need these thing in BFV. Now turn around say how much better BF4 or BF1 is.

    To say BFV was not fun, kind simple when you ask to make BF competitive focus.

    Well I would say imo of course that BF1/BF4 are the better and more fun games all around, and that them actually shilling for it would get maybe a few hundred to possibly get either of them since they're pretty cheap now.

    There's not really a single thing I enjoy with BFV, honestly I played 150ish hours and I figured that was more than enough time to decide whether I enjoyed it or not, and to try and get my money's 'worth' since EA/DICE/GameStop sure as hell weren't gonna give me a refund. I gave it a fair shot and nothing ever got me excited, I never felt the immersion on any map like BF1 gave me either.
  • DingoKillr
    4348 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, BF1IncursionsAlpha, Battlefield V Member
    DingoKillr wrote: »
    This guy GetGoodGuy makes some good points also talks about the player fall off, there's plenty of people that don't comment on the forums that apparently feel the same burn and disappointment of BFV just look at the comments.

    I have my doubts BF6 will be good considering it will be the same people behind BFV.

    Even the DICE shills agree BF1 is better than BFV sad.

    Considering how much some of the shills dumped on BF1 saying we don't need these thing in BFV. Now turn around say how much better BF4 or BF1 is.

    To say BFV was not fun, kind simple when you ask to make BF competitive focus.

    Well I would say imo of course that BF1/BF4 are the better and more fun games all around, and that them actually shilling for it would get maybe a few hundred to possibly get either of them since they're pretty cheap now.

    There's not really a single thing I enjoy with BFV, honestly I played 150ish hours and I figured that was more than enough time to decide whether I enjoyed it or not, and to try and get my money's 'worth' since EA/DICE/GameStop sure as hell weren't gonna give me a refund. I gave it a fair shot and nothing ever got me excited, I never felt the immersion on any map like BF1 gave me either.

    I know that well. Consider that in BF3/4/1 I had to stop playing at times for up 6 months for life reasons. I still put almost 5000 hours across them in BFV same time and having so much free time, I still only did about 300 hrs in MP.

    But like many what would I know of BF, I don't have streaming audience.
  • R1ckyDaMan19
    556 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V Member
    NLBartmaN wrote: »
    The attitude, focus and vision of Dice needs to be changed or the next game will be just as bad and again a failure.

    Things like ping based matchmaking, adding content/gamemodes/maps that people like and ask for, very active cheat policy and detection, good working crossplay (we play Warzone with a mix of PS4 and XboX players), very good BR mode is what makes the new CoD such a huge success right now and should be the main focus.

    That game is built to perform good and not to look good and that should be the main focus.
    The FPS stays high, unlike in BF V where it constantly drops far too low.
    Visibility is perfect, directional sound is perfect, weapons, vehicles and gadgets feel balanced, things that really matter.

    And yes, I know the game has complaints about lag and when I am matchmaked with high ping differences the game indeed feels laggy at start (which is not strange with the low srv Hz and netcode that is built for low ping differences, so close to no compensation).

    Just another proof all online games should have things like good game servers (not crap like AWS servers), ping limits, Region locks or ping based matchmaking.

    If a game plays good and balanced and you add fresh content that players ask for regularly, sales go and stay up.

    But with the new Fifa manager (mtx and maximum profit and not quality obsessed), companies (EA and Dice) that focus far too much on "being social", lots of experienced devs that left, lots of key positions open, an outdated engine that asks for specialists, my faith in if the new BF will be anything good ... is low.

    I play at 100 fps and never dip under on an ultra wide monitor but I have turned down alot of settings.
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