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BF1 Servers - Thread for discussion of server rentals and settings*
DICE feels they succeeded with Battlefront and that game is going to influence BF1--SWB is all but dead on PC in a matter of months, but DICE thinks it was a success. If that doesn't tell you their attitude towards what happens to the PC platform in BF1, well I don't know what will.
You were expecting them to say it was a horrible failure and that they have shamed their families for seven generations releasing it?
By their standards it wasn't a failure because they sold 14 million copies and there are still lots of console players in the game, they just don't care if it died on PC. Gamers like good games they can play for years, gaming companies like games that sell in huge numbers and then go away so they can sell us a different game. This is a fundamental difference in the points of view of gamers and game publishers--gamers measure the success of a game in how much fun it is to play for a long time, publishers measure success in money. I think that EA is prepared to see the PC BF community die because the console market is not only larger in the long run, it is less troublesome due to its standardized hardware and less demanding players. Bad reviews don't matter, one platform disappearing doesn't matter if sales are large enough on the other platforms, longevity doesn't matter--all that matters is how much money they made in that initial surge of sales. If a game continues to make money over several years thanks to players buying DLC, that's gravy, but they are just as happy if we lose interest and they can sell us a different game. I bet BF1 sells well, but if it then dies in 18 months EA won't care provided we buy Battlefront II and TItanfall II and Hardline II and whatever else is in the pipeline. Long term popularity of a game is no longer their concern, at least on the PC platform.
DICE feels they succeeded with Battlefront and that game is going to influence BF1--SWB is all but dead on PC in a matter of months, but DICE thinks it was a success. If that doesn't tell you their attitude towards what happens to the PC platform in BF1, well I don't know what will.
You were expecting them to say it was a horrible failure and that they have shamed their families for seven generations releasing it?
By their standards it wasn't a failure because they sold 14 million copies and there are still lots of console players in the game, they just don't care if it died on PC. Gamers like good games they can play for years, gaming companies like games that sell in huge numbers and then go away so they can sell us a different game. This is a fundamental difference in the points of view of gamers and game publishers--gamers measure the success of a game in how much fun it is to play for a long time, publishers measure success in money. I think that EA is prepared to see the PC BF community die because the console market is not only larger in the long run, it is less troublesome due to its standardized hardware and less demanding players. Bad reviews don't matter, one platform disappearing doesn't matter if sales are large enough on the other platforms, longevity doesn't matter--all that matters is how much money they made in that initial surge of sales. If a game continues to make money over several years thanks to players buying DLC, that's gravy, but they are just as happy if we lose interest and they can sell us a different game. I bet BF1 sells well, but if it then dies in 18 months EA won't care provided we buy Battlefront II and TItanfall II and Hardline II and whatever else is in the pipeline. Long term popularity of a game is no longer their concern, at least on the PC platform.
I don't disagree with your interpretation of their possible management logic. I'm just saying even if the team considered the game an abject failure according to their own internal goals, it would be highly unwise to even hint at that opinion publicly. Especially with such a high profile and expensive licensed IP.
They probably are. Doesn't much matter though. If the community servers aren't rentable before the herd actually starts playing the game things are going to get amusing. I'm going to be cackling like a madman if the "early enlister" status ends up being three days of dealing with 4chan rejects whining continuously about hax and out of region players on glorious adminless "official" hellholes.
If they're rentable, they will be before launch. And if they are using new cloud tech like TF2 then a rented server will be up in less than a minute. Not in 24 hours, 1 hour, 10 mins ... almost instantly.
The impact of releasing partial information may also be just as damaging. As you, nor I, have the scope of the plan at hand we are in no position to judge at this time. There are a dozen features, or more, that are being asked for (more like demanded) in this thread. Many of these features can and do have correlation to each other in a grander architecture. They have decided to release all of the information at one time when they have it in stone.
What do I mean by having it in stone? Well the general framework plan may indeed be in stone, but the individual features and functionalities may not be. Working for a company who has a software division with rock solid delivery dates, I can say the engineers are putting in 60-90 hours a week right now fixing last minute issues. There are features and functionalities that they desperately want to have by release, that are still up in the air as the QA team destroys the system day after day. As soon as they know exactly what will be in the release, they will inform us. Until then, they will not release any information, as it is generally a bad idea from past experience. Not giving something to begin with has far less impact than not meeting promised and desired features, due to technical and time constraints.
-Ray [TheQue]
Posted roughly the same thing 25 or so pages back in this thread .... And in another thread almost a month ago.
Just popping in to state the following - and only the following (for now). Do not read more into the words than the words themselves. I'm not one to say one thing and mean another, so here it is:
We are aware of the community's desire for more information regarding RSPs for Battlefield 1 and are working to roll out information as soon as possible.
At this time, anything that has not come from Official EA/DICE channels should not be taken as fact.
I'm currently working with the game team and other CMs to finalize messaging so we can share more details.
My Personal Translation: Were still putting the finishing touches on our carefully worded damage control doublespeak. We'd appreciate it if after reading this disappointing announcement regarding PC servers that you not apply critical thinking and see our response / offerings for what we are REALLY telling you. (Sigh) Put bluntly, we at EA/Dice feel it's in OUR best interest to largely abandon the PC Clan / competitive market and refocus Battlefield development to peruse a more lucrative (casual) FPS market. While we are sad to lose your business, truth is in the long run we will more than make up for it in our bold new $trategy which is to pursue Call of Duty's much larger (casual) pool of paying customers on Console's. The Clan / competitive player on PC is a niche market and it's not possible, profitable enough, or "now" beneath the threshold of our attention (take your pick) to make a FPS game that will cater to you both simultaneously. Thank You for your long time investment and interest in Battlefield! Best of luck finding a "smaller" gaming studio who will find it lucrative enough to develop a new PC FPS franchise to cater to your disenfranchised niche market (PC Clan / competitive players).
My Personal Translation: Were still putting the finishing touches on our carefully worded damage control doublespeak. We'd appreciate it if after reading this disappointing announcement regarding PC servers that you not apply critical thinking and see our response / offerings for what we are REALLY telling you. (Sigh) Put bluntly, we at EA/Dice feel it's in OUR best interest to largely abandon the PC Clan / competitive market and refocus Battlefield development to peruse a more lucrative (casual) FPS market. While we are sad to lose your business, truth is in the long run we will more than make up for it in our bold new $trategy which is to pursue Call of Duty's much larger (casual) pool of paying customers on Console's. The Clan / competitive player on PC is a niche market and it's not possible, profitable enough, or "now" beneath the threshold of our attention (take your pick) to make a FPS game that will cater to you both simultaneously. Thank You for your long time investment and interest in Battlefield! Best of luck finding a "smaller" gaming studio who will find it lucrative enough to develop a new PC FPS franchise to cater to your disenfranchised niche market (PC Clan / competitive players).
Just popping in to state the following - and only the following (for now). Do not read more into the words than the words themselves. I'm not one to say one thing and mean another, so here it is:
We are aware of the community's desire for more information regarding RSPs for Battlefield 1 and are working to roll out information as soon as possible.
At this time, anything that has not come from Official EA/DICE channels should not be taken as fact.
I'm currently working with the game team and other CMs to finalize messaging so we can share more details.
My Personal Translation: Were still putting the finishing touches on our carefully worded damage control doublespeak. We'd appreciate it if after reading this disappointing announcement regarding PC servers that you not apply critical thinking and see our response / offerings for what we are REALLY telling you. (Sigh) Put bluntly, we at EA/Dice feel it's in OUR best interest to largely abandon the PC Clan / competitive market and refocus Battlefield development to peruse a more lucrative (casual) FPS market. While we are sad to lose your business, truth is in the long run we will more than make up for it in our bold new $trategy which is to pursue Call of Duty's much larger (casual) pool of paying customers on Console's. The Clan / competitive player on PC is a niche market and it's not possible, profitable enough, or "now" beneath the threshold of our attention (take your pick) to make a FPS game that will cater to you both simultaneously. Thank You for your long time investment and interest in Battlefield! Best of luck finding a "smaller" gaming studio who will find it lucrative enough to develop a new PC FPS franchise to cater to your disenfranchised niche market (PC Clan / competitive players).
I thought EA already published/created two new franchises to tug on the CoD market? TitanFall and Hardline. Well Hardline does have a closer resemblance to Counter Strike, but hey.
And we're done. That's all that needed to be read to know it's an assumption without facts. The rest of your post simply compounded your own feelings rather than add any facts. So, again, you chose to read far too much into words that were simply written to let the community know "Yep, we hear you. We are working on getting more information to you soon. Thanks for your patience."
If you choose to believe what you wrote, that's your choice. But to "interpret" (I wrote in English, so I don't know why you thought an interpretation was necessary. I wrote clearly, I wrote simply, I wrote truthfully.) what I wrote into something so completely off-base and incorrect .... well. Maybe you need a better interpreter.
FACT:
We have some information we're going to be sharing soon.
NON-FACT:
Anything that hasn't been officially posted by EA/DICE or announced by those parties.
And we're done. That's all that needed to be read to know it's an assumption without facts. The rest of your post simply compounded your own feelings rather than add any facts. So, again, you chose to read far too much into words that were simply written to let the community know "Yep, we hear you. We are working on getting more information to you soon. Thanks for your patience."
If you choose to believe what you wrote, that's your choice. But to "interpret" (I wrote in English, so I don't know why you thought an interpretation was necessary. I wrote clearly, I wrote simply, I wrote truthfully.) what I wrote into something so completely off-base and incorrect .... well. Maybe you need a better interpreter.
FACT:
We have some information we're going to be sharing soon.
NON-FACT:
Anything that hasn't been officially posted by EA/DICE or announced by those parties.
See. It's really simple.
-Braddock512-
In a timely matter wouldn't be to much to ask, from the community(PC) that has supported you(EA)from day one, before consoles were even a brain fart..
And we're done. That's all that needed to be read to know it's an assumption without facts. The rest of your post simply compounded your own feelings rather than add any facts. So, again, you chose to read far too much into words that were simply written to let the community know "Yep, we hear you. We are working on getting more information to you soon. Thanks for your patience."
If you choose to believe what you wrote, that's your choice. But to "interpret" (I wrote in English, so I don't know why you thought an interpretation was necessary. I wrote clearly, I wrote simply, I wrote truthfully.) what I wrote into something so completely off-base and incorrect .... well. Maybe you need a better interpreter.
FACT:
We have some information we're going to be sharing soon.
NON-FACT:
Anything that hasn't been officially posted by EA/DICE or announced by those parties.
See. It's really simple.
-Braddock512-
Can you please provide an ETA on when we will get that info?
I will wait patiently for the official announcement. As stated above, there is one question that is assumed to not impact the overall message being presented. I am sure you neither have the desire nor authority to respond in such an informal manner, but it would be nice to know if we will have kick / ban abilities. The community I belong to is holding off until we hear this information. Let me correct that statement a bit. Many of us are buying BF1, we are having an extremely difficult time fundraising at the moment without this information. We do not know how many, if any, servers we will be able to purchase.
@TheQue That's a fair question. I don't have any details to share - yet. As soon as I get some, I'll be back on this thread with as much detail as I have.
@TheQue That's a fair question. I don't have any details to share - yet. As soon as I get some, I'll be back on this thread with as much detail as I have.
-Braddock512-
Awesome... Thank you for at least breaking the silence.
It took 48 pages later from your original post to get some sort of "official" acknowledgement ...... I was betting on it being 90+ pages ..........It is news (sort of)
It took 48 pages later from your original post to get some sort of "official" acknowledgement ...... I was betting on it being 90+ pages ..........It is news (sort of)
It took 48 pages later from your original post to get some sort of "official" acknowledgement ...... I was betting on it being 90+ pages ..........It is news (sort of)
I am being optimistic here and I choose to believe that they have noticed and have scrambled to decided what they are going to do. At least until there is no word and it comes down to the wire. Then I will get more antsy and impatient as by then it will be too late. I expect to get an answer this week.
My Personal Translation: Were still putting the finishing touches on our carefully worded damage control doublespeak. We'd appreciate it if after reading this disappointing announcement regarding PC servers that you not apply critical thinking and see our response / offerings for what we are REALLY telling you. (Sigh) Put bluntly, we at EA/Dice feel it's in OUR best interest to largely abandon the PC Clan / competitive market and refocus Battlefield development to peruse a more lucrative (casual) FPS market. While we are sad to lose your business, truth is in the long run we will more than make up for it in our bold new $trategy which is to pursue Call of Duty's much larger (casual) pool of paying customers on Console's. The Clan / competitive player on PC is a niche market and it's not possible, profitable enough, or "now" beneath the threshold of our attention (take your pick) to make a FPS game that will cater to you both simultaneously. Thank You for your long time investment and interest in Battlefield! Best of luck finding a "smaller" gaming studio who will find it lucrative enough to develop a new PC FPS franchise to cater to your disenfranchised niche market (PC Clan / competitive players).
Well done, amusing in a grim sort of way, and certainly more credible than anything we've heard from EA (or should we say, not heard?).
We'll tell you when we tell you -- yeah, 'cause concealing good news is a perfectly logical thing for EA to be doing.
I'd still love to be wrong about all this, I really would. I enjoyed the beta, I was looking forward to the retail release. But at this point in BF4 history we already had our servers ordered. Now we have absolutely no information from EA even when they are well aware of the intense concern the PC community has over this issue.
If somebody can provide a good, logical, reasonable explanation for why EA is leaving us to twist in the wind, okay, let's hear it.
Never, never, never again will I pre-order a game. This is a perfect illustration of why waiting until you know exactly what you are buying is the way to go. Oh, gee, that means I won't get that special dog tag for giving them my money early, how awful.
I am being optimistic here and I choose to believe that they have noticed and have scrambled to decided what they are going to do. At least until there is no word and it comes down to the wire. Then I will get more antsy and impatient as by then it will be too late. I expect to get an answer this week.
And we're done. That's all that needed to be read to know it's an assumption without facts. The rest of your post simply compounded your own feelings rather than add any facts. So, again, you chose to read far too much into words that were simply written to let the community know "Yep, we hear you. We are working on getting more information to you soon. Thanks for your patience."
If you choose to believe what you wrote, that's your choice. But to "interpret" (I wrote in English, so I don't know why you thought an interpretation was necessary. I wrote clearly, I wrote simply, I wrote truthfully.) what I wrote into something so completely off-base and incorrect .... well. Maybe you need a better interpreter.
FACT:
We have some information we're going to be sharing soon.
NON-FACT:
Anything that hasn't been officially posted by EA/DICE or announced by those parties.
See. It's really simple.
-Braddock512-
My critical sarcastic translation is, what at this moment in time, I anticipate to be the ultimate causality of your pending PC Server details for BF1 as it pertains to Clan's and Competitive players. In a earlier post I remarked that whatever your doing with the PC Server admin controls in BF1 it will be "at best" a watered down "shadow of it's former self" in BF1. At worst, a near complete evisceration of the long standing PC Server admin control, vast server configuration options, and third party plugin support / options (put another way, a mirror of current console server admin tools and policies). Equally as worrisome, is if BF1 servers will be (VM) Virtual Machines instead of the dedicated server option's available to us in BF3 and BF4. VM has come a long way the last 10 years, but I have my doubts it can/will perform as well as a dedicated server in a demanding FPS game.
Braddock, I sincerely hope my projections are WAY off the mark and we in the PC Clan / Competitive player market can look forward to the same level of admin control, features, and options via third party plugin's and rival anti-cheating steaming services we currently enjoy in BF3 /BF4. I truly want BF1 to be a well received success with the PC Clan / Competitive player segment. As I called you out if I am wrong in my critical presumptions, I will apologize and take back what I have said (eat my words). Finger's crossed that I'm wrong, have fretted for nothing, and owe you an apology!
And we're done. That's all that needed to be read to know it's an assumption without facts. The rest of your post simply compounded your own feelings rather than add any facts. So, again, you chose to read far too much into words that were simply written to let the community know "Yep, we hear you. We are working on getting more information to you soon. Thanks for your patience."
If you choose to believe what you wrote, that's your choice. But to "interpret" (I wrote in English, so I don't know why you thought an interpretation was necessary. I wrote clearly, I wrote simply, I wrote truthfully.) what I wrote into something so completely off-base and incorrect .... well. Maybe you need a better interpreter.
FACT:
We have some information we're going to be sharing soon.
NON-FACT:
Anything that hasn't been officially posted by EA/DICE or announced by those parties.
See. It's really simple.
-Braddock512-
As I called you out if I am wrong in my critical presumptions, I will apologize and take back what I have said (eat my words). Finger's crossed that I'm wrong, have fretted for nothing, and owe you an apology!
I have a feeling when the statement comes it's not going to be you who has to apologize? Calling you out specifically was pretty bold... and completely unnecessary. You just said what everyone was thinking. Break a 25 day silence to admonish the community for noticing a 25 day silence... on a super duper big issue... doesn't make much sense other than to try and quiet a disgruntled community.
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I don't disagree with your interpretation of their possible management logic. I'm just saying even if the team considered the game an abject failure according to their own internal goals, it would be highly unwise to even hint at that opinion publicly. Especially with such a high profile and expensive licensed IP.
Posted roughly the same thing 25 or so pages back in this thread .... And in another thread almost a month ago.
My Personal Translation: Were still putting the finishing touches on our carefully worded damage control doublespeak. We'd appreciate it if after reading this disappointing announcement regarding PC servers that you not apply critical thinking and see our response / offerings for what we are REALLY telling you. (Sigh) Put bluntly, we at EA/Dice feel it's in OUR best interest to largely abandon the PC Clan / competitive market and refocus Battlefield development to peruse a more lucrative (casual) FPS market. While we are sad to lose your business, truth is in the long run we will more than make up for it in our bold new $trategy which is to pursue Call of Duty's much larger (casual) pool of paying customers on Console's. The Clan / competitive player on PC is a niche market and it's not possible, profitable enough, or "now" beneath the threshold of our attention (take your pick) to make a FPS game that will cater to you both simultaneously. Thank You for your long time investment and interest in Battlefield! Best of luck finding a "smaller" gaming studio who will find it lucrative enough to develop a new PC FPS franchise to cater to your disenfranchised niche market (PC Clan / competitive players).
I see you did exactly what he asked of you not to do...
-Ray [TheQue]
I thought EA already published/created two new franchises to tug on the CoD market? TitanFall and Hardline. Well Hardline does have a closer resemblance to Counter Strike, but hey.
If you choose to believe what you wrote, that's your choice. But to "interpret" (I wrote in English, so I don't know why you thought an interpretation was necessary. I wrote clearly, I wrote simply, I wrote truthfully.) what I wrote into something so completely off-base and incorrect .... well. Maybe you need a better interpreter.
FACT:
We have some information we're going to be sharing soon.
NON-FACT:
Anything that hasn't been officially posted by EA/DICE or announced by those parties.
See. It's really simple.
-Braddock512-
In a timely matter wouldn't be to much to ask, from the community(PC) that has supported you(EA)from day one, before consoles were even a brain fart..
Can you please provide an ETA on when we will get that info?
Thank you!
I will wait patiently for the official announcement. As stated above, there is one question that is assumed to not impact the overall message being presented. I am sure you neither have the desire nor authority to respond in such an informal manner, but it would be nice to know if we will have kick / ban abilities. The community I belong to is holding off until we hear this information. Let me correct that statement a bit. Many of us are buying BF1, we are having an extremely difficult time fundraising at the moment without this information. We do not know how many, if any, servers we will be able to purchase.
-Ray [TheQue]
-Braddock512-
Awesome... Thank you for at least breaking the silence.
It took 48 pages later from your original post to get some sort of "official" acknowledgement ...... I was betting on it being 90+ pages ..........It is news (sort of)
An announcement of an announcement.
let's not forget the 25 days.
We'll tell you when we tell you -- yeah, 'cause concealing good news is a perfectly logical thing for EA to be doing.
I'd still love to be wrong about all this, I really would. I enjoyed the beta, I was looking forward to the retail release. But at this point in BF4 history we already had our servers ordered. Now we have absolutely no information from EA even when they are well aware of the intense concern the PC community has over this issue.
If somebody can provide a good, logical, reasonable explanation for why EA is leaving us to twist in the wind, okay, let's hear it.
Never, never, never again will I pre-order a game. This is a perfect illustration of why waiting until you know exactly what you are buying is the way to go. Oh, gee, that means I won't get that special dog tag for giving them my money early, how awful.
+1
Really hoping.
My critical sarcastic translation is, what at this moment in time, I anticipate to be the ultimate causality of your pending PC Server details for BF1 as it pertains to Clan's and Competitive players. In a earlier post I remarked that whatever your doing with the PC Server admin controls in BF1 it will be "at best" a watered down "shadow of it's former self" in BF1. At worst, a near complete evisceration of the long standing PC Server admin control, vast server configuration options, and third party plugin support / options (put another way, a mirror of current console server admin tools and policies). Equally as worrisome, is if BF1 servers will be (VM) Virtual Machines instead of the dedicated server option's available to us in BF3 and BF4. VM has come a long way the last 10 years, but I have my doubts it can/will perform as well as a dedicated server in a demanding FPS game.
Braddock, I sincerely hope my projections are WAY off the mark and we in the PC Clan / Competitive player market can look forward to the same level of admin control, features, and options via third party plugin's and rival anti-cheating steaming services we currently enjoy in BF3 /BF4. I truly want BF1 to be a well received success with the PC Clan / Competitive player segment. As I called you out if I am wrong in my critical presumptions, I will apologize and take back what I have said (eat my words). Finger's crossed that I'm wrong, have fretted for nothing, and owe you an apology!
I have a feeling when the statement comes it's not going to be you who has to apologize? Calling you out specifically was pretty bold... and completely unnecessary. You just said what everyone was thinking. Break a 25 day silence to admonish the community for noticing a 25 day silence... on a super duper big issue... doesn't make much sense other than to try and quiet a disgruntled community.