Old Stories of Warfare...

AmericanAutobot
125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
This will feel like a political discussion... but if you're feeling like discussing on these thoughts, fire away.

A lot of schools in the US has made significant events fall on deaf ears. It's like the schools intentionally rewrite them to make them boring as possible to ensure we don't actually think for ourselves.

They've taught me little to nothing about the American Revolution and why it was such an important event. The stories behind this event are hidden from students. Makes me so upset that they've made such a historic event so boring... there's no stories to tell, only dates, names, and places. No one is going to read that except in court.

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  • NZepica
    1039 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Agreed. EA was concerned when DICE suggested a WW1 game because they thought that WW1 wouldn't be well known. That really pisses me off, because it shows that WW1 is not a large part of most, if not all education systems, if a part at all.

    These things should NOT be forgotten, at least in the hope that a future generation will actually learn from events like that.
  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    edited January 2017
    NZepica wrote: »
    Agreed. EA was concerned when DICE suggested a WW1 game because they thought that WW1 wouldn't be well known. That really pisses me off, because it shows that WW1 is not a large part of most, if not all education systems, if a part at all.

    These things should NOT be forgotten, at least in the hope that a future generation will actually learn from events like that.

    We know it existed, just not well acknowledged. I'm very happy that DICE put those to rest, now that I can see why WWI shouldn't be forgotten. Granted, I would never associate a game to real-life fully. But I would at least acknowledge that the sacrifices made by the British, French, Americans, and many other unnamed countries, we are truly grateful for their services. They were true patriots. Even if they weren't fighting for the same thing, they still fought for something greater than themselves.
  • Professor_Memes
    1139 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    I feel like schools should focus more on the actual battles that take place in wars throughout history. Too often I feel like they just say "side X fought side Y from 19XX to 19YY" and Z won. Too often I think the details get missed. Which battles, even if small, were crucial swings in the war. What technological advancements resulted in side X getting an edge. That stuff interests me, and I feel for the most part I never learned about it in school.
  • NZepica
    1039 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Trust me, WW1 was far worse than BF1 or even Verdun suggest. There is an area in France, that even now, 100 years later, you don't go into unless you are on a guided tour, unless you don't mind risking your life. There is still a lot of unexploded ordinance, but the worst part it, there are spots where plants don't grow, and animals just die, because the residue from the chemical weapons used at the time is so deep in the soil.
    NZepica wrote: »
    Agreed. EA was concerned when DICE suggested a WW1 game because they thought that WW1 wouldn't be well known. That really pisses me off, because it shows that WW1 is not a large part of most, if not all education systems, if a part at all.

    These things should NOT be forgotten, at least in the hope that a future generation will actually learn from events like that.

    We know it existed, just not well acknowledged. I'm very happy that DICE put those to rest, now that I can see why WWI shouldn't be forgotten. Granted, I would never associate a game to real-life fully. But I would at least acknowledge that the sacrifices made by the British, French, Americans, and many other unnamed countries, we are truly grateful for their services. They were true patriots. Even if they weren't fighting for the same thing, they still fought for something greater than themselves.


    Agreed there.
    I feel like schools should focus more on the actual battles that take place in wars throughout history. Too often I feel like they just say "side X fought side Y from 19XX to 19YY" and Z won. Too often I think the details get missed. Which battles, even if small, were crucial swings in the war. What technological advancements resulted in side X getting an edge. That stuff interests me, and I feel for the most part I never learned about it in school.

  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    I feel like schools should focus more on the actual battles that take place in wars throughout history. Too often I feel like they just say "side X fought side Y from 19XX to 19YY" and Z won. Too often I think the details get missed. Which battles, even if small, were crucial swings in the war. What technological advancements resulted in side X getting an edge. That stuff interests me, and I feel for the most part I never learned about it in school.

    Not exactly what I meant, I'm primarily more interested in the soldiers who fought in the war. But yeah, I know what you mean.

    In history, these war stories are being ignored, or flat out missed. And pardon me for accusing a political group(No, I'm not sorry), the Democrat political party intentionally gives misinformation so that we don't bother with looking up the real things.

    It misses out details of the stories on soldiers that have fought and died in the Great War. To ensure that any respect and admiration for these soldiers will either go up in smoke or the praise goes to the government. Manipulation of history whether factual, or story-wise, is the key stones to Socialism.
  • FF_smart27
    1961 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    Manipulation of history whether factual, or story-wise, is the key stones to Socialism.

    Like when they teach you that the US played a decisive role in the outcome of WW1...or WW2?
    Like when they tell you that your troops fight for liberty and democracy?

    Socialist manipulation no doubt.
  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    edited January 2017
    smart2705 wrote: »
    Manipulation of history whether factual, or story-wise, is the key stones to Socialism.

    Like when they teach you that the US played a decisive role in the outcome of WW1...or WW2?
    Like when they tell you that your troops fight for liberty and democracy?

    Socialist manipulation no doubt.

    Just FYI, America is NOT a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic.

    And yes, but they didn't explain how significant it was. Only dates, names, and places. They make all respect and/or admiration for the US soldiers become vapors. They don't tell stories on how our soldiers bravely fought on despite heavy resistance, and with France and British exhausting themselves, America's involvement put the final nail in the coffin for the Central Powers. I won't mind a specific year just to get an idea of when, but I don't want specific details. That makes students bored, and therefore, World War 1 becomes just a name for them.
  • FF_smart27
    1961 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 2017
    Just FYI, America is NOT a democracy. It's an Oligarchy
    Fixed that for ya
  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    smart2705 wrote: »
    Just FYI, America is NOT a democracy. It's an Oligarchy
    Fixed that ya

    Not even an Oligarchy, it's a Constitutional Republic
  • NZepica
    1039 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    The US did play a large role in the Allied victory of WW2, but I do think that they overstate it sometimes. I doubt they played much of a role in WW1 though, considering they didn't get involved until the last year of the war.
    smart2705 wrote: »
    Manipulation of history whether factual, or story-wise, is the key stones to Socialism.

    Like when they teach you that the US played a decisive role in the outcome of WW1...or WW2?
    Like when they tell you that your troops fight for liberty and democracy?

    Socialist manipulation no doubt.

  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    Yet, the French and British have exhausted themselves to the point if America hadn't stepped in, they would've had to form a truce with the Central Powers. Or Germany declares victory. America did start fighting for nearly over a year. So, they still managed to lend them a helping hand.

    NZepica wrote: »
    The US did play a large role in the Allied victory of WW2, but I do think that they overstate it sometimes. I doubt they played much of a role in WW1 though, considering they didn't get involved until the last year of the war.
    smart2705 wrote: »
    Manipulation of history whether factual, or story-wise, is the key stones to Socialism.

    Like when they teach you that the US played a decisive role in the outcome of WW1...or WW2?
    Like when they tell you that your troops fight for liberty and democracy?

    Socialist manipulation no doubt.

  • NZepica
    1039 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1 Member
    Really? I did not know that. Cheers for the info!
  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    NZepica wrote: »
    Really? I did not know that. Cheers for the info!

    Well, to be more specific, there was an event called, "Bloody April". That time when Britain exhausted a 1/3 of it's fighting forces...
  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    NZepica wrote: »
    Really? I did not know that. Cheers for the info!

    Wait... did we do this already before...?
  • FF_smart27
    1961 postsMember, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE, Battlefield V Member
    edited January 2017
    Or Germany declares victory.
    In which universe?
    Yet, the French and British have exhausted themselves to the point if America hadn't stepped in, they would've had to form a truce with the Central Powers.

    The Central Powers were collapsing economically and the war effort of the Central Powers was collapsing on every front before American participation became significant. Ottomans, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Bulgaria were all failing.
    British naval blockade was going into its fifth year. The German population was starving and Germany was on the verge of a communist revolution.

    NZepica wrote: »
    The US did play a large role in the Allied victory of WW2, but I do think that they overstate it sometimes.
    The outcome of the war in Europe was predestined long before a single American boot had touched the beach of Normandy in the summer of 1944.

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  • AmericanAutobot
    125 postsMember, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Battlefield, Battlefield 1, CTE Member
    I thought the Russian Empire was on the verge of a communist revolution...?
    smart2705 wrote: »
    Or Germany declares victory.
    In which universe?
    Yet, the French and British have exhausted themselves to the point if America hadn't stepped in, they would've had to form a truce with the Central Powers.

    The Central Powers were collapsing economically and the war effort of the Central Powers was collapsing on every front before American participation became significant. Ottomans, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Bulgaria were all failing.
    British naval blockade was going into its fifth year. The German population was starving and Germany was on the verge of a communist revolution.

    NZepica wrote: »
    The US did play a large role in the Allied victory of WW2, but I do think that they overstate it sometimes.
    The outcome of the war in Europe was predestined long before a single American boot had touched the beach of Normandy in the summer of 1944.

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